I'll bring it up.... Options

[realdeal]

OIL! Hoorah for OIL!

You brought it up.

[realdeal]

Ok Rd, let me offer a hypothetical. What if--just what if--we catch a few American citizens who are neither Muslim nor Arab aiding and abetting terrorists? Does their race get the same broad treatment? What if they're white and have separate agendas but similar goals?

Then we deal with them too. But 99% will not be non-arab or non-muslim. Yes, that's a fact. History speaks for itself.

[Blakjak]

Yes I did Real, and your point is? The ramifications of nuclear warfare on countries, not terrorists, would be unimaginable. I think a key point often overlooked is that terrorists are not armies of foreign nations. Some, granted are state funded, Libya being a prime example. The Taliban paid the price for their aiding of Al Queda. However, to use nuclear weapons willy nilly in the "Middle East" is a fool's errand. Anways, back to my oil point: if we nuke countries like Saudi Arabia who keep our economy running. then how likely are they to cooperate with us. They already don't particularly like dealing with us, but we're also their primary customers. We do away with our need for foreign oil, then we lose many of these problems in my opinion. Opeth also had some good points, too bad he's Canadian . Honestly Real, pry your hands from that precious BAR of yours and join the dark side, you seem to have done it in the real world.

[Silver]

well really we SHOULD not have to rely on the middle east for oil, we have a large reserve and some serious oil wells here in the usa. but in reality we shouldnt have to use oil anyway. or coal for that matter. there are much more eco-friendly enegry supplies such as nuclear and hydo-electric...now if you are reffering to auto's there is no reason why we have not went back to steam power. much more HP in a smaller engine, and with our advancements in technology and enegry efficent auto parts (as seen in the toyota pirus and other eco-cars and busses) it is a very viable soultion. i see Oil based autos being phased out in 20 years. trucks are going green with bio-diesel, and that will help. no reason to depend on oil. a natural gas car (or any car converted to NG) is 1/4 the cost to run and maintain.

[realdeal]

Honestly Real, pry your hands from that precious BAR of yours and join the dark side, you seem to have done it in the real world.

LMFAO.. amazing, simply amazing.

[Blakjak]

I have stated my position on nuclear warfare, and I agree with Silver about energy programs. However, on the issue of internment, I thought a quote from Thomas Friedman's editorial today (if you don't know who he is, just be sure he knows a lot more about the Middle East than most people) would do us some good: "The more western societies - particularly the big European societies, which have much larger Muslim populations than America - look upon their own Muslims with suspicion, the more internal tensions this creates, and the more alienated their already alienated Muslim youth become. This is exactly what Osama bin Laden dreamed of with Sept. 11: to create a great gulf between the Muslim world and the globalizing west."

This is glaringly apparent in many of the attitudes of posters here, sadly, and unfortuantely the results are beginning to show. Al Queda has turned from a group or organziation into a quasi movement. More groups from within individual communities are forming outside of the tightly organized structure of Al Queda. These small cells operate on their own, select thier own targets, require comparitively little money leaving few financial trails, and often are already located in their target region or city. We have turned a corner from 9/11 attacks into 3/11 attacks, that is the Madrid train bombings. Now that is scary.

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[realdeal]

Yup. It's all our fault. Damn americans.

***I should have guessed that Thomas Friedman was from the NY Times.

[Blakjak]

Don't be such a childish dumbass Real. You know that was not his intent nor mine. Internment, if even logistically or legally possible, could create more problems than it would solve.

[<Dolphin>*Girl*]

Yup.  It's all our fault.  Damn americans.

***I should have guessed that Thomas Friedman was from the NY Times.

LMAO

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[Silver]

<SINGING> BLAME CANADA, BLAME CANADA!!!!! (God bless south park!)

[TheGhost]

Don't be such a childish dumbass Real.  You know that was not his intent nor mine.  Internment, if even logistically or legally possible, could create more problems than it would solve.

I beg to differ, Blakjak. Internment would keep them (islamic radical terrorists) from doing anything because they would be locked up in an acre of land with 25ft concrete reinforced walls on all sides. They wouldnt be able to get out, no one could get in, and they would be stripped of all communication devices that they may have, oh and you can forget about confiscating concealed weapons.

Hey, if they don't like it they shouldn't have fucked with us in the first place.

[Blakjak]

How do you propose we single out the "islamic radical terrorists" from the rest of the population. And once that is completed, how can you be sure you've gotten 'them' all, or detained only those who are terrorists. It's a broadly sweeping action that is much like how the United States military functioned for decades, big and often unwieldly. The military, starting back in the 90's, has begun shifting towards a more mobile, lighter force that can better combat insurgency and small scale warfare with precision and surgical engagements. This is one reason why Vietnam was such a struggle, although the Viet Cong could have been defeated after Tet if certain actions had been taken.

[holden_caulfield]

Honestly Real, pry your hands from that precious BAR of yours and join the dark side, you seem to have done it in the real world.

[Undertow]

Don't be such a childish dumbass Real.  You know that was not his intent nor mine.  Internment, if even logistically or legally possible, could create more problems than it would solve.

I beg to differ, Blakjak. Internment would keep them (islamic radical terrorists) from doing anything because they would be locked up in an acre of land with 25ft concrete reinforced walls on all sides. They wouldnt be able to get out, no one could get in, and they would be stripped of all communication devices that they may have, oh and you can forget about confiscating concealed weapons.

Hey, if they don't like it they shouldn't have fucked with us in the first place.

Thats hitting the nail on the head. I totally agree.