More OGL Drama!, SK vs. Metal Mulisha Options

[gen.gomer-pyle]

im sure just about everyone outside of sk will agree with trueways. ogl is dead and sk will only hold #1 since everyone is dropping off it. theres 2 clans dropped off it in 1 week. and maybe 2 more within the next week.

[Maddcapp]

Wow, SK - you guys almost had people fooled.
Good job in killing the ladder. Maybe if all of the good clans leave, you guys can "ownt" the ladder permanently.

[gen.gomer-pyle]

Wow, SK - you guys almost had people fooled.
Good job in killing the ladder.  Maybe if all of the good clans leave, you guys can "ownt" the ladder permanently.

maybe thats what their hoping for..........

[ScarFace]

Everybody dance!

[Diabolik=VX9=]

OMG! A picture of fish and Father Time dancing!

[Johnny the Jet]

I just wanted to put in my 2 cents…

I admit that I know NOTHING of the details of any of the recent disputes, and have no information about any specific allegations of cheating by =SK= or anyone else so keep that in mind. I would like to speak to much of what I’ve been hearing about the idea that =SK= must be cheating based on their past skill (including KWS) and their current success. Much of this talk has been flying around and I’m just not buying it. I have no special friendships w/ =SK= or KWS or anyone else that would create any kind of partiality. I just simply don’t see the correlation that everyone else seems to be banking on. This is what stares me in the face when I consider the idea that =SK= has been hacking:

1.Khemist, Rocker, Reject have been playing MOHAA for a long time and have never been suspected of cheating to my knowledge. As many of you have stated, it does not seem to be in Rocker’s character to cheat OR tolerate cheating in the least

2.While it is true that =SK= and KWS alone were not spectacular squads, getting a solid 6 players together is all that matters. I know this because =VX9= has varied w/in the past year w/ respect to who can play and people taking breaks, etc. We have excelled at times and been completely futile, even when 3 of our best players are in the game. KWS and =SK= combined to create a team w/ a solid 6 players w/ no real weak links in my opinion.

3.I’ve played w/ all of the current =SK= in scrims and matches and have never suspected them of cheating. Furthermore, while I didn’t EXPECT them to be as successful as they have become, I don’t in the least think it was unbelievable.

4.I don’t mean to get personal at all, but some individuals speaking out tend to be quick w/ accusations based on past experience. Ashe, for one. We had a 3v3 scrim against DMG a month or so ago and we had one REALLY good round. Ashe left the scrim and said that we needed to use Reverend to continue. Later in the TLD forums he posted something about wanting to use Rev against TLD because he had some shady scrims recently….i’m assuming the scrim with us was one of them. The fact that Ashe actually thought we would be using hacks (me, Father Time, Fish) indicates he can be quick to accuse. Again, this is not meant to be a personal attack as I have no problems w/ Ashe and maybe he only said what he said out of frustration. I just know that some individuals can be quick on the draw w/ those kind of things.

5.=SK= is innocent until proven guilty in my view. Most of us have been accused of hacking at one time or another on public servers and for the most part it is insulting. Being publicly accused of dishonesty like that is not fun, to say the least. If there is any proof indicating they did cheat then obviously they cheated, but I have yet to see any.

Again, if evidence comes to light that proves somebody from =SK= used hacks then I'll be on board with everyone else! Not that my opinion means jack anyway. Peace.

[Soul Assassins]

Cae sera sera

[Zero]

I honestly agree with Joohnny you do not have no ss's of them hacking. I will admint Reject pulls some crazy ass shit but honestly you do not have physical proof of them hacking. I agree with Johny they are clean until we see some ss's of them with hacks on thru rev.

[Ramos]

Can anyone explain this SS Nova posted without using the word "glitch". It's been bothering me. I mean no Obelisk, bushes, missing railings, doorway half there, etc.

What good are the SS's if this doesn't mean anything? How can a SS be this imperfect?

This post has been edited by Ramos: 07/12/05 1:01pm

[Johnny the Jet]

Can anyone explain this SS Nova posted without using the word "glitch".  It's been bothering me.  I mean no Obelisk, bushes, missing railings, doorway half there, etc.

What good are the SS's if this doesn't mean anything?  How can a SS be this imperfect?

I did not see the SS. Please link it again so I can view it.

Like I said before. I'm ignorant of any concrete evidence to support the notion that anyone on =SK= hacked. That's not to say it doesn't exist.

[WiseGuy]

That is a screenshot from one of the MM members....Reverend takes crap screenshots sometimes i guess no other way to say it. I think

[Doodle]

Can anyone explain this SS Nova posted without using the word "glitch".  It's been bothering me.  I mean no Obelisk, bushes, missing railings, doorway half there, etc.

What good are the SS's if this doesn't mean anything?  How can a SS be this imperfect?

If I was in a match I got a SS like that I would have disputed also, Along with the players background, You would have to, You never know what someone might get in reverend, that they could turn off and on, So it would be best to dispute and have the ogl and bart look in to it

Reverend isnt perfect never was never will be, Thats why bart tells everyone to look at the other teams SS,

[Ramos]

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I did not see the SS. Please link it again so I can view it.

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The original jpg is on the bottom of page 15 of this thread. Well, I agree it's a shitty screenshot, but why? Can it be recreated?

[Diabolik=VX9=]

Ramos it can be repeated. I have a screen shot of my game doing that ages ago with the geforce 5900 ultra video card and the issue was not resolved for almost a month. Also, when I click on the Red Devils, why do I only see 6 players on their roster?

[Bargod]

A couple of players seem to have left that team. Rumor has it El P is looking for a clan...
Hmmmm....