Just a question, I hope you all dont jump at my throat Options

[holden_caulfield]

I think it is all about oil and power. Look at who is in charge in the middle east--rich oil barons educated in the West. They are corrupt, and, like anyone in power, they want to stay in power. But since they're country is so backward and shitty, to put it bluntly, they need something which will rally their people and distract them from the shittiness of their own lives--hence Israel. The Palestinians have a legitimate problem with Isreal. The Saudis, Jordanians, Egyptians, etc, do not. They are just using that to direct domestic anger abroad.

Notice that those carrying out the jihads are ill-educated and easily deceived. Those that manipulate are not. You don't see many guys high on the social ladder going out and strapping bombs to themselves.

[Blakjak]

That's not entirely true holden, often it is educated men from places like Syria who are suicide bombers.

[Silver]

Everyone talking about terrorism, but knowone says shit about the economic terrorists OPEC and the Saudi connections. people just go about paying 3$ a gallon for gas and buying SUV the gets 13 MPG. they are driving our country to a stand still more effective then any suicide bomber or dirty bomb could ever do to to us. keep buying the surburbans and the hummers... support Osama.

Off topic i know

[Blakjak]

keep buying the surburbans and the hummers... support Osama

Fuck Yes! Ride a bike, take mass transit. Critical Mass bitches lol.

[Silver]

Critical Mass bitches lol.

lost me there....

[Blakjak]

Critical Mass is a movement for more friendly bike roads and traffic laws. Bascially people who are sick of cars. It's really informal but in some places it has huge movements, NYC mainly. It's really serious up there, they get cops out on them and the like. The couple of rides I've done are just fun and easy, just get out and show everyone how bicycles are great way to commute and get around.

[Silver]

ok now I remember what you are talking about... sorry...

[Stickman]

Just read overe this thread, and thought I'd mention a few tyhings others don't seem to have.

First: Muslims don't have a god named Allah. Allah is the arabic word for god. This is the same God that Christians and Jews worship. Muslims believe that Moses, Jesus, and Mahomed were all prophets of God. Mahomed just happens to be the most recent, so is geiven the most credibility.

The Koran does have some questionable things in it, that strike modern western readers as barbaric. It is easy to use these to paint muslims as monsters. But recall that the bible also contains these sorts of passages.
Consider: "Christians believe that adulters should be stoned to death. A son that disrespects his father should be killed. One who wears clothing made of a mix of cotton and wool should be killed. Slavery is OK. People who work on Sundays should be killed"
Is this an accurate portrayal of Christianity? All these references can be found in the bible!

Al Queda represents a very fundamentalist view of Islam, a view that is not shared by 99% of those who call themselves muslim, just as a low percentage of Christians are fundamentalists. Most muslims were as horrified by 9/11 as the rest of us.

Islam and Christianity have more in common than they have seperating them. Don't believe the hype.

Me? I think fundamentalism of any kind is dangerous, be it Islamic OR Christian.

This post has been edited by Stickman: 10/15/05 12:26am

[UltraViolence]

Just read overe this thread, and thought I'd mention a few tyhings others don't seem to have.

First: Muslims don't have a god named Allah. Allah is the arabic word for god. This is the same God that Christians and Jews worship. Muslims believe that Moses, Jesus, and Mahomed were all prophets of God. Mahomed just happens to be the most recent, so is geiven the most credibility.

The Koran does have some questionable things in it, that strike modern western readers as barbaric. It is easy to use these to paint muslims as monsters. But recall that the bible also contains these sorts of passages.
Consider: "Christians believe that adulters should be stoned to death. A son that disrespects his father should be killed. One who wears clothing made of a mix of cotton and wool should be killed. Slavery is OK. People who work on Sundays should be killed"
Is this an accurate portrayal of Christianity? All these references can be found in the bible!

Al Queda represents a very fundamentalist view of Islam, a view that is not shared by 99% of those who call themselves muslim, just as a low percentage of Christians are fundamentalists. Most muslims were as horrified by 9/11 as the rest of us.

Islam and Christianity have more in common than they have seperating them. Don't believe the hype.

Me? I think fundamentalism of any kind is dangerous, be it Islamic OR Christian.

Great post dude...Fanatcism in any form or fashion is dangerous be it IRA or Hamas. Muslims are experiencing the hysteria that most Japanese experienced in this country during WWII. It is unfair, and hopefully, one day Americans will realize that the majority of Muslims, as people of any other religon or creed, are good people. Hopefully everyone will see the light soon...my hope is that Muslims everywhere will make a greater effort to ostrascize those fanaticals who do not share their beliefs.....so for the uninformed, there will be a greater opportunity for acceptance & understanding. Also hopefully every member of Al Qaeda will be dead by that point as well.

This post has been edited by UltraViolence: 10/15/05 11:01am

[Ice_Cold]

Way to post on a 2 month old topic guys

[TheGhost]

yea, but my point is, u didn't have terrorism like it is today until about 20 years ago. there may be some vague references to it, but my point is, say back in the 1970s, people in most parts of the world didn't have to worry about being blown up by a suicide bomber. my point is that why havent the christians beeen being bombed like this for 1000s of years? they havent. there may be a vague reference or two to a suicide bomber in an act of war (a fortress, like you mentioned), but u dont have it like it is until we founded Al Qaeda in the early 80s.

Ever hear of the Israeli/Muslim War that was in the early 70s? terrorism has been going around since the beggining of time, it has just been advancing because of recent descoveries in technology (i.e. dynamite, chemical and biological weapons, etc.)

[|$aucy|]

Way to post on a 2 month old topic guys

What's wrong with it if they have something to say?

[Maj. H8Red]

until we founded Al Qaeda in the early 80s.

We formed? Correct me if I'm wrong, but you did say 'we' Are you trying to tell us you're a part of them yellow bellied pussies?

[Ice_Cold]

until we founded Al Qaeda in the early 80s.

We formed? Correct me if I'm wrong, but you did say 'we' Are you trying to tell us you're a part of them yellow bellied pussies?

Hes right we helped the now known al qaeda back in the 70s and 80s bu funding them when russia was attacking the now known Afganistan. Al qaeda back then was funded by the CIA. Also we helped buidl the caves in the afgan mountians. thats why we knew where to look for Al qaeda.

[UltraViolence]

YAh we funded them we didn't form them. As with all of the Arab nations..you know the Oil infrastructures that we built for The Saudis, Kuwatis,etc....they are feeding off of our strength...We made them