I am quitting {MOB}[Regs], Adios from Ramos Options Rating

[PISTOFFBAD]

Realdeal, you know this goes back a lot farther than after she got kicked. She's pissed off bad, real bad, and this is her way of lashing back. It was the poking and prodding from the beginning that got her kicked.

[The_redeemer]

ramos, i do agree with you


everyone has the right to disagree,

for instance, many of us on here agree on disagreeing. and for that everyone should respect others opinions- which in actuality, everyone here is guilty of being hateful, every single person has. From mona, to me, to realdeal, to even saucy.

[Bargod]

I may have been hateful once, maybe...

[realdeal]

Realdeal, you know this goes back a lot farther than after she got kicked. She's pissed off bad, real bad, and this is her way of lashing back. It was the poking and prodding from the beginning that got her kicked.

She did her fair share of poking and prodding from day one as well which ultimately ended up in her being kicked. If she, an alleged mature adult, can't handle it, then she should have just stayed away as asked. That's the bottom line really. Had she stayed away, as asked, I highly doubt Saucy would have ever made that post.

As far as the "gender bashing"... gimme a break. I highly doubt anyone really thinks ML is a hermaphrodite. What is being referred to, in my opinion, is that a large part of the community believes that ML is really a male posing as a female, that's all.

[PISTOFFBAD]

Sorry, I'm just too old to understand.

[Ramos]

ramos, i do agree with you


everyone has the right to disagree,

for instance, many of us on here agree on disagreeing. and for that everyone should respect others opinions- which in actuality, everyone here is guilty of being hateful, every single person has. From mona, to me, to realdeal, to even saucy.

Well, do we agree to agree? -- or agree to disagree? Am I to respect your opinion that everyone should respect others opinions, OK. So what? Sorry, this isn't making sense to me.
Redeemer, the first time I see you condemn a hateful, vicious or outrageous comment made here (maybe even your own?) instead of getting in line to make one, maybe then I can begin to respect your opinions again.

This post has been edited by Ramos: 10/05/05 12:02am

[Big P]

Cya BUD!! Like forrest gump would say...SHIT HAPPEN!!

[Maj. H8Red]

everyone here is guilty of being hateful

What?!?!?!? See ya, Ramos

This post has been edited by Maj. H8Red: 10/05/05 2:26am

[Leadmagnet]

for all i care *which i dont* mona gets what he/she deserves


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I respect your opinions, Vader, and RD, etc., regarding Mona. But I do not agree with them. No one "deserves" to be subjected to the kind of humilitation and hate found here. Saucy crossed a line with his post that people have not passed since I was a small boy growing up in a hostile racial environment. To create a thread wherein people vote on to what degree someone is a a "gender confused fucktard" then subsequently bashed and told to die a number of horrible and violent deaths, sets a very dangerous precedent. The consequences of young minds being nourished on this type of thought are documented in my resignation.

well, considering that all of the above games mentioned are for "mature audiences" the fact that kids play them anyway, isn't that the responsibility of the parent, not the website, or its members, to govern their actions....i find your reasoning on the subject regarding a corrolation (sp?) between violent children and violent games kinda faulty; children are products of their environment, and if taught correctly, should understand the differences between right and wrong. for you to impose your seemingly strict sense of values up people you have no control over is irrelevant. I have perused the "bash ML" posts and find them funny and entertaining, as do alot of the other members. You play alot of BF2, if i am correct, and that is full of the same level of violence as MOHAA and COD. Perhaps you ought to take your Columbine incident morality lesson post and stop playing FPS and grow flowers and weave baskets....definitely a more pacificistic approach to life's lessons, don't you think?

Lead

[Rocker]

well, considering that all of the above games mentioned are for "mature audiences" the fact that kids play them anyway, isn't that the responsibility of the parent, not the website, or its members, to govern their actions....

Lead I don't think we are talking about the games themselves as much as the hate filled posts that this forum has put a stamp of approval on. It's easy to shrug off any responsibility for condoning this just as it's easy to ignore the local meth lab selling to our kids. The fact that we laugh and applaud these young people, like Redeemer and Saucy, for their trash talk only encourages outrageous and disrespectful behavior. I think of this quote when I read posts like yours Lead.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
Edmund Burke

I have perused the "bash ML" posts and find them funny and entertaining, as do alot of the other members. You play alot of BF2, if i am correct, and that is full of the same level of violence as MOHAA and COD. Perhaps you ought to take your Columbine incident morality lesson post and stop playing FPS and grow flowers and weave baskets....definitely a more pacificistic approach to life's lessons, don't you think?

I'm a little surprised that you not only approve but find those posts funny. Let me ask you a question, if your father read a note that you had written, similiar to these at the age of 15, what would have happened? If your children (assuming you have one/some) wrote this at that age what would your response to them be? I'm not trying to come off "holier than thou" because I've been guilty too. I'm simply asking forum members to take the moral high ground and show the younger members that a public forum isn't the place for hate, racism and violent threats.

[Leadmagnet]

well, considering that all of the above games mentioned are for "mature audiences" the fact that kids play them anyway, isn't that the responsibility of the parent, not the website, or its members, to govern their actions....

Lead I don't think we are talking about the games themselves as much as the hate filled posts that this forum has put a stamp of approval on. It's easy to shrug off any responsibility for condoning this just as it's easy to ignore the local meth lab selling to our kids. The fact that we laugh and applaud these young people, like Redeemer and Saucy, for their trash talk only encourages outrageous and disrespectful behavior. I think of this quote when I read posts like yours Lead.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
Edmund Burke

I have perused the "bash ML" posts and find them funny and entertaining, as do alot of the other members. You play alot of BF2, if i am correct, and that is full of the same level of violence as MOHAA and COD. Perhaps you ought to take your Columbine incident morality lesson post and stop playing FPS and grow flowers and weave baskets....definitely a more pacificistic approach to life's lessons, don't you think?

I'm a little surprised that you not only approve but find those posts funny. Let me ask you a question, if your father read a note that you had written, similiar to these at the age of 15, what would have happened? If your children (assuming you have one/some) wrote this at that age what would your response to them be? I'm not trying to come off "holier than thou" because I've been guilty too. I'm simply asking forum members to take the moral high ground and show the younger members that a public forum isn't the place for hate, racism and violent threats.

obviously, the whole "freedom of speech/expression idea" as conveyed by our forefathers has not yet reached your planet....moral high ground? That sounds alot like censorship to me, friend.... The real world, the world in which we, all of us, live in is brim filled with hate, rascism and violence.....its like this: if you don't want your kids reading this kinda stuff, dont own a computer.....its just like TV or radio....don't like the programming, just turn it off. [Nope, no kids.....not that i am aware of anyway]

[Ramos]

I have perused the "bash ML" posts and find them funny and entertaining, as do alot of the other members.

Lead

I think this attitude just about sums up my problems here.

.... The real world, the world in which we, all of us, live in is brim filled with hate, rascism and violence.....its like this: if you don't want your kids reading this kinda stuff, dont own a computer.....its just like TV or radio....don't like the programming, just turn it off. [Nope, no kids.....not that i am aware of anyway]

Go ahead and stick you head in the sand if you want. That would be one less person encouraging these insults by laughing at but saying nothing to stop them.

I think you know it isn't possible to shut off the real world. And to suggest it as a remedy, is a dangerous thought process.

There are limits to how much you can control. I would have had to have pulled down the shades, locked the door, and never let my kids talk to other kids, go outside, or go to school to have prevented them from interacting with the Columbine incident.

[Bargod]

Ramos, I hate to see you leave like this, and I'm not condoning anyone's actions, but you are only mentioning one side of the story. The posts and threads and arguements didn't start with "eat a shotgun" or whatever. They started with simple things like "shut up". But ML likes to belittle people and instigate. ML took great pleasure in getting people riled up to where they said things that they wouldn't normally say, and now ML sits in SK's forums saying how rude MOB is. I understand that your family member is being attacked, and I would defend my family at any cost. I just want to remind you that most of this started with comments like "I am the best sniper in MOHAA". Very simple comment with very simple replies. But because ML is as belligerent a person as I know in these forums, it has escalated to where it is today.

[Ramos]

Ramos, I hate to see you leave like this, and I'm not condoning anyone's actions, but you are only mentioning one side of the story. The posts and threads and arguements didn't start with "eat a shotgun" or whatever. They started with simple things like "shut up". But ML likes to belittle people and instigate. ML took great pleasure in getting people riled up to where they said things that they wouldn't normally say, and now ML sits in SK's forums saying how rude MOB is. I understand that your family member is being attacked, and I would defend my family at any cost. I just want to remind you that most of this started with comments like "I am the best sniper in MOHAA". Very simple comment with very simple replies. But because ML is as belligerent a person as I know in these forums, it has escalated to where it is today.

I only mentioned ML by name because a family member does matter more. But that's not the only person routinely bashed here, Bargod. Diesel and El Peruvian are two others that bring out the worst in people. Rocker and Reject are subjected to routine ridicule. So is Atima. There are/were others. My question is do you want it to stop or is it okay to encourage members to continue to spew hate? There were times when this whole bashing thing turned into a kind of freaky party accompanied by music clips and sound effects provided by the site administrator/head of this clan.

I know there are two sides to every story and I am not suggesting ML was blameless. I am merely saying there are times when this has gone way too far. We seem to forget we're all part of a community with gaming as a hub. In my opinion, a large part of the focus of these forums has shifted to character assasination. What do you propose to do to fix it? Or do you think it's okay the way it is?

[Bargod]

Diesel and El Peruvian are two others that bring out the worst in people.

You are absolutely right about that. And there are some things that all three have in common. They all have huge egos and are belligerent. El P gets treated the same every single forum he goes to. He brings out the worst in people because of how he treats other people. As for Diesel, I have nothing personal against him. I think what he did after leaving MOB was immature, but if I see him in another forum or a server I'm not going to be a jerk. He was the rudest person I've ever had the pleasure to speak with on ventrillo. He almost exclusively referred to people by slang terms and euphemisms for the penis. From the simple "dick" to the colorful "yogurt thrower". The shear number of terms he came up with was really impressive. Diesel also had a nack for going into others forums and starting trouble. This was probably the only thing that ever bothered me about him. He couldn't just wait for a match and beat another team, he first had to insult everyone on their team, and if MOB won, he'd rub it in. If MOB lost, well, it's a common joke in MOHAA about his excuses. I think the fact that he's been on countless teams since he left MOB says a little something about his ability to get along with others. Especially if someone suggests that he may not be the best MOHAA player that ever lived. I think part of the reason that things can get pretty rude and explicit here quickly is because MOB forums are so popular with people from all clans. Which leads to a snowball effect of outrageous behavior. This isn't Larry King, it's Jerry Springer. And that's the way it's been long before I got here.
Not to beat a dead horse, but like I said, ML has started trouble since she first got here. Here is a link to her first incarnation as Mannkynd. I don't know for a fact that this is ML, but if you read it who else would it be?
The nasty responses are mostly from people who are in TLD now. Ice Cold was in a different clan at the time (MGX?). So, is the problem the guys that are on the forums now, or the person who the animosity is towards?
Also, ML is the only person I've ever known to refer to playing as "fighting". I think that shows a little bit about attitude as well.

This post has been edited by Bargod: 10/05/05 2:14pm