Oh, the temptation to cheat... Options

[Sgt.Slappy]

Hey guys,

Once a gain, always a pleasure to play on your servers.

A few things I have noticed though... Aimbot is alive and well, as are a few other funky things. Some people suffer no damage or "shellshock effects" from running through enemy arty, or the same from planting a tank main gun round at their feet - they just keep on running along; and another is something along the lines of being "bulletproof": for example, if I sneak up on an enemy, dump a sub-gun into their back (strangely getting no hits), only to have them turn around and blast me to hell, or having to shoot a light tank 2-3 x squarely in the rear armor with a bazooka to destroy it. It isn't lag, (and before you start the insults, I am not just playing sucky or missing the target) Its's something else... it can be very frustrating.

In a round-about way I guess I'm asking is Punk Buster doing anything at all besides kicking people for having a high ping? Or "not returning key packets" or some such? People are still cheating. Makes me wish I could give the same treatment right back to the punks who pull this crap.

Of course, this does cause me to keep my skills sharp. Hmmm... maybe its not so bad after all.

Eh, perhaps I'm just venting.

Anyway, see you people on the battlefield.

Good hunting,

Sgt.Slappy

[BlackPlague]

That's weird, never saw that happen... Yea, sometimes, i feel like hacking them back too when they're hacking... You know it's a hack when it's a bit laggy or they are...

[Nothing]

That's weird, never saw that happen... Yea, sometimes, i feel like hacking them back too when they're hacking... You know it's a hack when it's a bit laggy or they are...

I believe punkbuster only works when it knows what it is looking for. If there is a cheat that was made and not mass-shared then punkbuster will not notice how the particular cheat is working or running. I too have been extremely pissed when I walk up to someone in a window and unloaded a tommy in their back only to have them turn around and kill me. And no, I do not lag. My average fps is in the 80's.

[Druid]

Cheating isn't isn't near the problem people think it is.
PB does a fantastic job, much better than people tend to give it credit for.
For example some of the issues mentioned have nothing to do with cheating or are simply impossible,
There is no cheat that allows someone to be bullet-proof or walk through artillery with no shell-shock, things like this are controlled serverside, cheats are clientside.

Although it's true PB may not catch a cheat which is not openly shared,
but keep in mind a few points.
95% of the people who would cheat are clueless how to make 1, so they have to download their cheats which are all blocked via PB.
The other 5% may be able to write their own cheat, but 99% of the time it's going to be a simple cheat which will still be blocked because it's nothing more than a rehashed version of a cheat openly shared.

I've no doubt there is a few people who write their own private cheats but this number is minuscule when compared to the number of people playing the game.

[Sgt.Slappy]

Druid,

I was just playing on the no time limit server. There was a furious exchange going on at the Russian 1. I was playing as German, and was in the StuG(as usual...). On the back side of the hill facing down into the ditch, I was laying shots right at the feet of a russian in the ditch. He ran around like it was nothing. I planted 4 or 5 good killing shots, except, well, nothing happened, he obviously took no damage!!!!! There was no mistaking what happened at that distance, those rounds landed close enough for a sure kill. I don't know who he was, because he didn't die... and the action was too furious for me to stick my pinky out and hit f12 for a screenshot unfortunately.

I don't know how, but people are making themselves explosionproof somehow. I saw it up close and personal today. It's a real thing.

All I can say is, keep your eyes peeled for this bullshit. You may see it for yourself.

Good hunting,

Sgt.Slappy

[Druid]

I can't speak with certainty about what happened when you played today but I can tell you I'm 100% sure there is no such cheat allowing a player not to take damage.
There is randomness built into the game. Your 1st post mentioned a player running through arty without taking damage or shell shock. I've on 2 seperate occasions have successfully made a mad dash to save a bunker while arty was being dropped on it. Shells dropped all around me but I was able to make it into the bunker. Was I cheating? Of course not, I just happen to be real lucky those two times, every other time I died before I took 2 steps towards a bunker being hit by arty.

[Bargod]

On a similar note, let's not forget the times we call arty on ourselves while in a base planting and get killed. How exactly does that happen? I don't know, but it does.
I had a theory that it happened if you were too close to the shelves in the middle, but apparently that isn't true, lol. I've died in lots of places in the bottom of a bunker. My new theory is that every once in a while a shell lands in exactly the right spot to go down the pipe hole in the corner of the bunker, thus killin you.
If anyone can figure this out, please let me know, cuz it's the most frustrating thing in Barbarossa!

[Silver]

Thats how it happens... a shell drops down the pipe. if you call arty on the shelving you stand a good chance of it hitting ur area.
as for the people running through the arty.... it might be random but you can kinda predict were they will hit if you watch for a minute. shooting is a bitch and never can tell, I have had on a few times a guy empty a ppsh and the 72nd bullet hits me in the head. the last bullet.... not one of the others touched me. thats bs but its chance thats all. if you are worried about a hack next time you play run a demo. if you suspect a hack send in the demo to one of us... ( think i just oened myself up to watching it, great.... ) anyways i dont know if you played MoH:AA but I hated that game cuz of all the hacks and the asses that new that game too damn well... (all of mob)

This post has been edited by Silver: 12/04/05 9:11am

[BlackPlague]

That's funny Silver cuz there's only 71 bullets in a PPSh, that means that guy has a hack that gives him one bullet extra.... They do anything just for a bullet these days... Yea, i went thru enemy artillery serveral times, and got shell shock and hurt but lucky while i was walking slow from shell shock, nothing else came near so i made it thru just to die in the bunker where the guy shot a bazooka at me... Others i've seen it done to, i call artillery while planting and i see the enemy going down the stairs... Weird game play. But damn, artillery doesn't go straight down from the sky so how does it go down the pipe when artillery comes in a curve... i call it farthest from pipe anyway...

[Silver]

i dont know how many bullets he had ... just the VERY last damn bullet hits me in the face.

[BlackPlague]

Happened to me before, but it never hit me, it was Shadow's MP44 and i had Mosin nagant and he used a whole clip and only one hit me in the stomach. When he was reloading, i shot at him with pistol and got him like 3. Then he used half a clip when i shot him with the rifle... lol

[=BC=Violent Demise]

"Although it's true PB may not catch a cheat which is not openly shared,
but keep in mind a few points.
95% of the people who would cheat are clueless how to make 1, so they have to download their cheats which are all blocked via PB.
The other 5% may be able to write their own cheat, but 99% of the time it's going to be a simple cheat which will still be blocked because it's nothing more than a rehashed version of a cheat openly shared.

I've no doubt there is a few people who write their own private cheats but this number is minuscule when compared to the number of people playing the game."



you forgot to consider the "private" hacks...which arent released on hacking websites for anyone and everyone (punkbuster included) to download...rather the "private" hacks are sold to these 95% of ppl who would cheat, but cannot make their own hack....this is the majority of ppl who use hacks in Cod UO, as long as they dont share their precious little toy with anyone who might share it with others etc PB will never be able to detect it...