What about the shotguns, Remove or keep them Options

[Shadow]

Thank you Druid is very nice we had people thank us for that!

This post has been edited by <<753Shadow>>: 12/12/05 5:20pm

[BlackPlague]

LOL, Cuda... THANKS DRUID!!

[Leadmagnet]

No shotguns is a beautiful sight....and listening to people whining about "where's the trench gun?"....getting all weepy about a skilless scatter gun that wasn't used by anyone in an official capacity in the European Theatre....now we just need to increase the Thompson's ammo to 30 and we are close....maybe dropping the ppsh to 32 rounds like the other russian machinegun might be interesting... the Russians used both drum and clip in ww2; the clip more so because it jammed less, but added kick to the weapon (its so damned short)...

Again, love hearing people jonesing for shotties.....ROFLOL




Lead

[Undertow]

now we just need to increase the Thompson's ammo to 30 and we are close....maybe dropping the ppsh to 32 rounds like the other russian machinegun might be interesting...

I disagree. I think the ammo count should be left as is.

[Bargod]

There are maps that offer both types of ppsh, clip and barrel.

[FeezyWeezy]

well what bargod says here is wrong, the PPS-43 isnt a PPScH-41

I'm probaly point fucking ere but who cares. I got time to kill...



The PPSch-41 (Pistolet Pulemjot Schpagina model of 1941 = Shpagin submachinegun) was one of major infantry weapons of the Soviet troops during the World war 2. Total number of PPSch's manufactured during WW2 estimates to more than 6 millions. The gun became one of the symbols of the Great Patriotic War. Retired from Soviet Army service soon after the WW2, the PPSH was widely exported to some pro-Soviet countries arount the world, including Vietnam and many African countries.

The PPSch-41 was designed as a cheap and simple but effective war-time weapon. It featured simple blowback operated action, fired from open bolt. The striker was permanently fixed in the bolt face. PPSch-41 was a select-fire firearm, with fire selector switch located inside the triggerguard, ahead of trigger. The safety was integrated into the charging handle and locked the bolt in forward or rearward position. The receiver and the barrel shroud was made from stamped steel. The front part of the barrel shroud extends beyound the muzzle and acts as a muzzle brake / muzzle flip compensator. Early PPSch-41's were issued with drum magazines with capacity of 71 round, similar to ones used in PPD-40.
Such high capacity increased the firepower but the magazines were too slow to refill and not too reliable, so in 1942 a curved box magazine was developed. This magazine held 35 rounds and was much more comfortable to carry in pouches. Early magazines were made from .5 mm sheet steel and were somewhat unreliable. Later magazines were made from 1 mm steel and were completely satisfactory.
Usually, infantrymen carry one drum in the gun and some box magazines in the pouches or pockets.

Early guns featured elevation-ajustable rear sights, later ones flip-type "L"-shaped rear sights marked for 100 and 200 meters range.

All PPSch-41s featured hardwood stocks. The main advantage of the PPSch-41 was bigger effective range (when compared to both Allies and Axis submachineguns of that era). It also was accurate enough and reliable. The main drawbacks were: heavy weight, lenght (too big for trench combat or for mobile operations) and the fact that the gun was sometimes prone (especially when weared enough) to unintended fire when dropped.





The PPS-43 (Pistolet-Pulemet Sudaeva, model of 1943 = Sudaev SMG) was born as an answer to the need in more compact and mobile weapon, than PPSch-41, then in use by Soviet Army. PPSch was too big and too heavy to be used by tank crews and mobile recon groups and paratroopers, so Army issued an request for new, more compact SMG. Sudaev initially designed new SMG in 1942, and it was adopted under the designation of PPS-42, and then refined the design in 1943, thus final model was marked as PPS-43. This SMG was manufactured in smaller than PPSch-41, quantities (ca. 500.000 manufactured at all) and sometimes is referred as a best SMG of World War 2. After WW2, it was widely exported to pro-Soviet regimes around the world and widely copied.

Technically, the PPS is a fully automatic weapon, based on simple blowback principle, and is fired from the open bolt. The gun is fired in full auto only. The safety is located in the triggerguard (somewhat like the M1 Garand). The receiver and barrel shroud is made from stamped steel. Rear sight is L-shaped flip type and is marked for 100 and 200 meters distance, front sight is fixed blade type. The barrel is equipped with simple muzzle brake. The folding stock is made from steel and folds under the receiver. PPS uses PPSch-41-type box magazines. Drum type magazines cannot be used.