getting kicked for silly reasons... Options

[51ja1son]

just curious when it'll stop

i dont know if some people have some personal vendetta against us/me or what. perhaps im going too far with this post too, but im curious when we wont be kicked anymore for trivial reasons.

[440Cuda]

51Jason....(short version),

I was not on when you got kicked, but just a little 411(info) for you. A few nights ago, I was on the COD2 server when your group was on. I was on a different computer and was not wearing my MOBRegs tags. There were no other MOB members on-line and your clan was team stacking major. I sent a message telling you not to and so did another person and you guys stated you were auto-assigned. I watched certain members on your team wait to get into the game so you could all be on the same team. At one point one member went on the opposing team. That night several players were complaining saying that it was BS and that its unfair. A few of your players left then returned later. Being on vent together, I am sure you can tell each other when the teams are unfair, yet you choose not to.

Your clan are excellent players, I only wish I was that good at COD2..and believe me, when I kill you in the game...I pat myself on the back...LOL.

The problem is that this server is public and I watched the complaints the other night. Just because no one from MOB was visible on the screen, your clan team stacked causing problems. Now should we let your clan rule the server and lose potential members because of this? My personal opinion is that if your team likes to rule a server, that you should start your own server for COD2. This way, being that your team is so good, it can play other people that just want to get killed time after time when they spawn. Or play teams that are equally good. Or invite other clans to challenge you.

Hey Jay, no hard feelings, but turn the tables around...Say this was your Clans server and we came in all the time and team stacked causing constant complaints. Would you just sit back and do nothing????

Just some food for thought....

[.51.Eso]

51Jason....(short version),

I was not on when you got kicked, but just a little 411(info) for you. A few nights ago, I was on the COD2 server when your group was on. I was on a different computer and was not wearing my MOBRegs tags. There were no other MOB members on-line and your clan was team stacking major. I sent a message telling you not to and so did another person and you guys stated you were auto-assigned. I watched certain members on your team wait to get into the game so you could all be on the same team. At one point one member went on the opposing team. That night several players were complaining saying that it was BS and that its unfair. A few of your players left then returned later. Being on vent together, I am sure you can tell each other when the teams are unfair, yet you choose not to.

Your clan are excellent players, I only wish I was that good at COD2..and believe me, when I kill you in the game...I pat myself on the back...LOL.

The problem is that this server is public and I watched the complaints the other night. Just because no one from MOB was visible on the screen, your clan team stacked causing problems. Now should we let your clan rule the server and lose potential members because of this? My personal opinion is that if your team likes to rule a server, that you should start your own server for COD2. This way, being that your team is so good, it can play other people that just want to get killed time after time when they spawn. Or play teams that are equally good. Or invite other clans to challenge you.

Hey Jay, no hard feelings, but turn the tables around...Say this was your Clans server and we came in all the time and team stacked causing constant complaints. Would you just sit back and do nothing????

Just some food for thought....

We have 3 CoD2 servers sponsored by serverxtreme.com already, so if we truly wished to "teamstack" then we would do so there without fear of consequences. In fact several times a week we hold a "locked pub" where we invite players from several notable teams, and from our multitude of regular scrim partners, and have a REAL game of CTF. Only the autoassign option for team changing is available, and i suggest if you truly think team stacking is a problem in your server, you would be wise to consider this method of resolving it, rather than resorting to kicking the only good players from it.

Each and every area51 member autoassigns when they join a public server....end of story. We pub for fun, and it's unfortunate that because of our skill level, this may interfere with someone else's personal enjoyment of the game. I for one play this game once or twice a week for fun, and i thoroughly enjoy playing on a server with someone from Revelry for example who literally treat this game as a way of life. Not because they're easy to kill, quite the contrary in fact, they make me play at a much higher level and help me to improve my game.

On a similar note, despite what you might think, i for one ALWAYS change teams to make them more even. I could care less if i'm playing with or against other area51 members, because i'm just there to have fun, and nothing more. When we want to play on the same team, we scrim. Pubs are simply a way to unwind.

I realize this is "your server, and you can do with it what you please" but continuing to kick high caliber players will ensure that the level of competition remains mediocre at best, and quite frankly is childish and petty.

[440Cuda]

Jason,

I am not here to argue with you...I have better things to do. My point was that you clan was team stacking the other night when I was on and watching and talking to others in vent who observed it too. You were not kicked that night and for the record I have never kicked. (Thinking hmmmmmm)

I do not know who kicked you when you were playing this time or why.and there is a possibility you were not playing the other night when your team was stacking, but I am telling you your clan was teamstacking. POINT MADE??????

Hey buddy I know how auto assign works..thank you very much, and we both know how to get around it. So lets not go there.

Most people at MOB believe you guys are great players...but don't let your ego's take you down!!! Maybe you should read more of what the public says about your clan on the server.

Just tell your clan teamstacking is not aloud...whether or not MOB members are on the server!!!!....we should not have to babysit you and listen to complaints. I am sure that that will fix a great deal of the problems.

Have to go do my Nails.... Ann Landers

[.51.Eso]

#1- I am not Jaison

#2- His name is spelled "Jaison"

#3- I am not your buddy, and clearly you are here to argue with me.

Babysitting your server when area51 is on is not required, you do that by choice, let's not get those 2 confused. Nothing we do on your server is wrong. Despite what you may think, we do not intentionally teamstack, nor do we use juvenile little tricks to get around the shortcomings of autoassign. When we join a server (all of us, not just me) we immediately press auto-assign. What you might construe as "cheating the system" 90% of the time is one of us alt-tabbed while the map changes. Insinuating that we knowingly cheat the autoassign system to teamstack is insulting, and puerile.

Just as you say you should not have to monitor us 24/7, we conversely should not be forced to constantly change teams to accommodate the rest of the server. As i've stated many times, we press autoassign immediately upon joining a server, and yes sometimes this leads to more area51 members on one team, than another (hence the idea of RANDOM assignment). It is asinine to think that because of our skill level, we should wait in spectator, carefully watching the teams, and then selecting the appropriate one based on the conjectural level of skill each may possess (a subjective measure i can assure you).

I would recommend taking your own advise in this matter. Just as you asked us not to let our egos get to our heads, i suggest you do the same with the power gained by running a server. You expect to run a fair and enjoyable server, and yet you wish to mandate specific rules for each individual (or in this case, group) which enters. Clearly you can see the absurdity of such an ideal.

Good Day.

[gen.gomer-pyle]

can i ask 1 stupid question? what the hell is team stacking?

[440Cuda]

[quote name='.51.Eso' date='01/06/06 12:47pm' post='90364'] #1- I am not Jaison

#2- His name is spelled "Jaison"

#3- I am not your buddy, and clearly you are here to argue with me.

Hey Jason, Buddy or what ever....LOU>>>tried to be nice and tell you what happened the other day.(nothing to do with your kick..Not getting in to Romper Room with you. Obviously you cannot admit that it happened when I saw it!!!! Now I am glad someone kicked you. You may be a good player, but you have to learn how to take criticism...and improve your attitude.

Maybe you should read this when A. You grow up

B. You sober up

C. Learn How to read

Fun and enjoyable for who?? Your clan only...why don't you start reading all the posts again...and yea, if your team is stacked on one side you should show some respect and move a few players to the other...or is your ego to big???/

[Bargod]

Eso, stop being an ass. I've been very nice to, and defended 51 clan. I don't appreciate you getting an attitude in our forums. It's a server paid for and run by the MOB clan. Auto assign or not, if you are asked to split your team up then do it. This has been a MOB rule since our MOHAA days.
I'm glad you guys choose to play on our COD2 server instead of on one of your 3 servers. I assume this is because your servers are empty and ours is always full. While you are a guest on our server we would appreciate it if you would follow our rules and go out of your way to evenly divide your team.
This goes for MOB as well. I see too much team stacking by us, too.

[blk96gt]

Just let the bastards play. They were one of the best clans in UO, it's not surprising they are kicking everyones ass at COD2. I seem to remember when members of {MOB} would go to other servers and purposely team stack(back when MOH:AA was popular).

[Druid]

When a few people questioned your play.
I was very outspoken to the fact of them being wrong.
Without knowing the circumstance of jaison being kicked, I can't really speak to it
but I highly doubt he should of been.
I've spoken to Jaison several times on the server and xfire, he's a good guy.
I highly doubt he did anything wrong to deserve getting kicked.


To your comment.
It is asinine to think that because of our skill level, we should wait in spectator, carefully watching the teams, and then selecting the appropriate one based on the conjectural level of skill each may possess (a subjective measure i can assure you).
The only thing asinine is how you try to dramatize something as simple as switching teams.
I could care less, if everyone hits auto assign when they join the server.
You know as well as I do auto-assign does absolutely nothing to keep teams even besides basic number of players per team, which means squat.

As for the rest of your post
In all fairness, the subject of stacking has came up several times.
The sole reason we run this server is so people, exceptional players like you and the noobish alike will have a fun place to play.
You act like we're asking you to walk through fire, not do something as simple as switch teams if they are uneven. I don't even want to hear this is some special rule just for you guys because that would be utter bullshit. The same thing has been asked of .atrox. & S8, the only difference is with them it didn't continue to be a problem.
I will happily concede the point, part of the reason it's become such an issue with 51 is because the overall skill level of your players. Some .51 have been better than others when it comes to this issue.


We expect you to split teams when you play on OUR server.

I don't want to hear....
I auto-assign so it shouldn't matter.

If you or anyone thinks stitching teams to help even them out, is to much to ask.
Then play elsewhere.

[Druid]

behemoth I'm sure at times they did, but guess what they were wrong.
Actually when MOB started Clan Killa , Bitch, Jew, Opp and the rest specifically when to other server to play on both teams so MOB would be on the top of both score boards.

You haven't played on the server yet, so you don't have an imformed opinion of how bad it gets at times.
With COD2 it quicky can get 10 times worse than Remagen ever did.

[51ja1son]

Hey Jason, Buddy or what ever.

Maybe you should read this when A. You grow up

B. You sober up

i highly doubt someone that wrote the posts he did, was drunk. and again, his name isnt jason.

When a few people questioned your play.
I was very outspoken to the fact of them being wrong.
Without knowing the circumstance of jaison being kicked, I can't really speak to it
but I highly doubt he should of been.
I've spoken to Jaison several times on the server and xfire, he's a good guy.
I highly doubt he did anything wrong to deserve getting kicked.


To your comment.
It is asinine to think that because of our skill level, we should wait in spectator, carefully watching the teams, and then selecting the appropriate one based on the conjectural level of skill each may possess (a subjective measure i can assure you).
The only thing asinine is how you try to dramatize something as simple as switching teams.
I could care less, if everyone hits auto assign when they join the server.
You know as well as I do auto-assign does absolutely nothing to keep teams even besides basic number of players per team, which means squat.

As for the rest of your post
In all fairness, the subject of stacking has came up several times.
The sole reason we run this server is so people, exceptional players like you and the noobish alike will have a fun place to play.
You act like we're asking you to walk through fire, not do something as simple as switch teams if they are uneven. I don't even want to hear this is some special rule just for you guys because that would be utter bullshit. The same thing has been asked of .atrox. & S8, the only difference is with them it didn't continue to be a problem.
I will happily concede the point, part of the reason it's become such an issue with 51 is because the overall skill level of your players. Some .51 have been better than others when it comes to this issue.


We expect you to split teams when you play on OUR server.

I don't want to hear....
I auto-assign so it shouldn't matter.

If you or anyone thinks stitching teams to help even them out, is to much to ask.
Then play elsewhere.

i hate to argue at all with you druid, but some of us dont join as fast as each other, due to the qualities of our computers. and considering the fact that most people purposely choose allies because most consider those guns better... when we auto assign we do often get put on the same team, usually axis. if we notice that the teams are overly stacked and theres room on the other team, usually one of us will switch. and i must not have been there when the public was complaining about team stacking cuz i never saw any complaints. unless they did it when they were dead or team chat.

the kicking didnt have much to do with any of that though hah.
ill explain that, i wont use any names though. you can ask those on xfire if you want, no problem with me.

at the end of map1, i did a bind during the ending map screen where it shows everyones scores.
the bind says "good game" and either scrolls my name like a marquee, or types it out like a typewriter. i have 2. well, i did one of them.

map2- a member of MOB asked me not to do it. i said "may i ask why not?" he didnt respond. so i said "hey (MOB member name), can i ask why not?" again no response. so i left it alone after asking one more time with no response. i change my name half-way through that map. at the end, i dont do the bind again.

map3- at the beginning of the map i change my name back to regular and about halfway through i get kicked. i dont believe i said anything to warrant it during this map. so i come back in and ask, "why did i get kicked this time?" no response. the MOB member that i believe kicks me leaves and there are 2 others. i ask those 2 if they know why i got kicked. one says yes so i ask if i can talk to him in spec.

we go spec an i ask why and he basically says it has to do with me doing a bind and i didnt get kicked when it happened because i changed my name too fast. he was very nice about it all and i might have been harsher with him than i should have since it wasnt him that did it. he wasnt able to give me a real answer though since he didnt really know.

the member that kicked me comes back and i ask him why i got kicked. he says cuz i gave him lip. which i dont think i did. i ask why i cant do the bind and he says its like peeing in a friends pool or wrapping a friends house. which i dont understand. if the bind said something like "everyone below me are noobs", or "i own you all" or something like that i could totally understand. but it says good game. and i only do it at the end when the scoreboard comes up so its not like it takes up any of the screen and gets in the way. it doesnt lag the server at all. so im just curious why i was kicked for asking why i cant do it.
i realize its your server and i really shouldnt ask why to what a member says. but after we've been kicked so often, it gets a little irritating.

thats what this was about originally hah

This post has been edited by 51ja1son: 01/06/06 3:10pm

[Maj. H8Red]

and again, his name isnt jason.

Since when did we start talking in the 3rd person? And does it reall matter, you understood who was being spoken to, correct?????

This post has been edited by Maj. H8Red: 01/06/06 3:30pm

[blk96gt]

behemoth I'm sure at times they did, but guess what they were wrong.
Actually when MOB started Clan Killa , Bitch, Jew, Opp and the rest specifically when to other server to play on both teams so MOB would be on the top of both score boards.

You haven't played on the server yet, so you don't have an imformed opinion of how bad it gets at times.
With COD2 it quicky can get 10 times worse than Remagen ever did.

So I take it setting up a spawn kill is pretty easy?

[TheGhost]

We have 3 CoD2 servers sponsored by serverxtreme.com

Each and every area51 member autoassigns when they join a public server....end of story.

On a similar note, despite what you might think, i for one ALWAYS change teams to make them more even.

I realize this is "your server, and you can do with it what you please" but continuing to kick high caliber players will ensure that the level of competition remains mediocre at best, and quite frankly is childish and petty.

1. if you have 3 servers, then why dont you play on them? hmmm....

2. You all auto assign? thats bullshit because EVERY MAP you all are on the same teams, ALWAYS.

3. I have never seen you switch sides, even when an admin has asked.

4. It is our server, so either comply with a request made by an admin or be kicked. it is quite straight-forward.