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| realdeal |
 06/27/04 7:29pm
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Unfortunately some forget, others may simply put it out of their mind since it's been almost 3 years now. But please take a look at the links below to remind yourself.
FIRST PLANE HITS THE WORLD TRADE CENTER SECOND PLANE HITS THE WORLD TRADE CENTER EXCLUSIVE FOOTAGE OF SECOND PLANE HITTING THE WORLD TRADE CENTER CNN RECAP OF 9/11 -------------------- |
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| futureman |
06/27/04 7:35pm
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Major Group: Forum Member Posts: 572 Joined: March 13th 2004 From: Mt Pleasant, baha carolina Member No.: 649 |
no words to describe that.
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| lithium |
07/27/04 4:05pm
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 Corporal Group: Forum Member Posts: 37 Joined: July 4th 2004 Member No.: 804 Xfire: tldlithium |
You right Real. We will never forget Mr. Bush for his incompetence. It happened on his watch and he should be one of many responsible for it.
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| DIESEL |
07/27/04 4:13pm
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are u for fucking real Lith...go ahead and vote for Kerry see what happens then and im not even American but i will tell you BUSH is the man with steel balls and im glad he is leading your country then some two-faced fuck Kerry who will probably win cuz he's greasing everyone cocks |
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| .AmbiencE. |
07/27/04 5:15pm
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God Damn Liberals.
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| realdeal |
07/27/04 5:21pm
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This is from another post I made: I hope you're not blaming Bush for the 9/11 attacks. I blame the Clinton administration. For 8 years the Clinton administration did what they could to basically destroy the defense budget. FBI agents were trying to fight through government imposed walls, handcuffed by government imposed restrictions and starved for basic information technology. And let's not forget the terrorist attacks which happened under Clinton's watch: 1. The first WTC attack on 2/26/93. Clinton did nothing. He didn't even visit the site. He also allowed this attack to be classified as a criminal act by individuals, even though the mastermind of the attack was Ramzi Youssef who, by the way was an Iraqi intelligence agent. 2. 10 months after the inital WTC attack, there was the attack in Mogadishu on american military forces who were in the country to bring food to starving Somalis. 3. The 1996 bombing of the Khobar Towers in Saudia Arabia. This was done by Iranian and Palestinian terrorists acting on behalf of Al-Qaeda. The Saudi government refused to cooperate in finding those responsible - the Clinton administration did nothing about it. 4. 1998 - the year of the Lewinsky, Al-Qaeda blew up the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Over 200 people were killed and over 6,000 injured. Clinton's response? The missile strike of the medicine factory and an EMPTY terrorist camp. Despite the above, EVERY year that these attacks occurred, the Democratic leaders supported bills to cut US intelligence funding and other funding for CIA operations. Additionally, I think it was 1995 when Al Gore was appointed to head a task force to tighten aiport security. That task force's key reccomendation which might have prevented 9/11, was rejected by the White House on fears of racial profiling. Who would have thought that Al gore was actually able to come up with a novel idea? And then for that idea only to fall upon deaf ears. -------------------- |
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| Stockguy |
07/27/04 6:01pm
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Major General  Group: MOB Posts: 2989 Joined: January 6th 2004 From: Madison, Wisconsin Member No.: 555 Xfire: Stockguy |
I agree with you real. I think that it was the Clinton administrations fault for not doing anything about it. Bush happened to come into the presidency at the wrong time and all this stuff is now being blamed by him. I believe that his intentions are good and that hes done the best that one person can do. I believe going into a second term would be the better term that hes had. It seems that whatever happens the president is automatically blamed for what happened and if nothing happens that major through a term that automatically means hes a good president. Just a couple of thoughts.
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| Druid |
07/28/04 1:19pm
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Major General Group: Forum Member Posts: 3453 Joined: July 31st 2002 Member No.: 16 Xfire: mobdruid |
Sorry Lithium but thats one of the dumbest things you could say. So by your reasoning, FDR should be held responsible for Pearl Harbor. Everybody forgets hindsight is always perfect. Here are some facts. Everybody has been so quick to point out how "Bush was warned about the possiblity of airplanes being used for attacks but failed to act on it. Fact is he recieved the same generalized warnng that has been in the security briefings for 10 years. Read that again if you missed it 10 Years. In 1994 this possiblity even became a reality. 1) A disgruntled Federal Express worker tries to crash a DC-10 into a company building in Memphis but is overpowered by the crew. 2) A lone pilot crashes a small plane onto the White House grounds, just missing the President's bedroom. 3) An Air France flight is hijacked by a terrorist group linked to al-Qaeda, with the aim of crashing it into the Eiffel Tower, but a Special Forces team storm the plane before it takes off. Please point out how anyone back in 1994 did anything to increase our security. There is no way the required security changes would or could of been passed before 9-11 showing the need. Janurary 9th 1995 Philippine investigators uncover an al-Qaeda plot to assassinate the Pope that would take place when he visits the Philippines in Feburary of 1995. While investigating that, they also uncover Operation Bojinka, planned by the same people. Bojinka was a plan to hijack and exploded 11 or 12 U.S. passenger planes over the Pacific Ocean simultaneously. Also included in the plan was mention of a second possible attack where planes would be hijacked and flown into “key structures in the United States. The World Trade Center, the White House, the Pentagon, the Capital, the CIA Headquaters, the Transamerican Tower, and the Sears Tower where mentioned. 1995 In the wake of the uncovering of the Operation Bojinka plot, a letter written by the terrorists who planned the failed 1993 WTC bombing is found on a computer disk in the Philippines. This letter warns that future attacks would be more precise and they would continue to target the WTC if their demands were not met. This letter was never sent, but its contents are revealed in a congressional security meeting. April 1995 Time magazine's cover story reports on the potential for terrorists to kill thousands in highly destructive acts. Senator Sam Nunn outlines a scenario in which terrorists destroy the US Capitol Building by crashing a radio controlled airplane into it. 1996 Having found a business card of a US flight school in the possession of Bojinka plotter Abdul Hakim Murad the FBI investigates the US flight schools Murad attended. He had trained at about 6 flight schools off and on, starting in 1990. Apparently they stop their investigation when they fail to find any other potential suspects. 1996 The Senate Intelligence Committee is briefed concerning a planned suicide attack by individuals connected with Sheikh Omar Abdul-Rahman and a key al-Qaeda operative. The plan is to fly from Afghanistan to the US and attack the White House. July -August 1996 US officials identify crop-dusters and suicide flights as potential terrorist weapons that could threaten the Olympic Games in Atlanta, Georgia. They take steps to prevent any air attacks. Planes are banned from getting too close to Olympic events. During the games, Black Hawk helicopters and US Customs Service jets are deployed to intercept suspicious aircraft over the Olympic venues. Agents monitor crop-duster flights within hundreds of miles of downtown Atlanta. Armed fighter jets are placed on standby at local air bases. Late 1996 US intelligence learn of an Iranian plot to hijack a Japanese plane over Israel and crash it into Tel Aviv. While the plot was never carried out, it is one more example of intelligence agencies being aware that planes could be used as suicide weapons. 1998 A son of Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, the al-Qaeda leader convicted in 1995 of conspiring to blow up tunnels and other New York City landmarks, is heard to say that the best way to free his father from a US prison might be to hijack an American plane and exchange the hostages. This is the exact same warning giving to Bush in August 02 report titled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US" This is one that really amazes me. People are using this report to show how Bush knew about a possible attck and did nothing. When the fact is, it was nothing more than a rehashed report issued almost 6 years earlier. May 1998 An FBI pilot sends his supervisor in the Oklahoma City FBI office a memo warning that he has observed “large numbers of Middle Eastern males receiving flight training at Oklahoma airports in recent months.” The memo, titled “Weapons of Mass Destruction,” further states this “may be related to planned terrorist activity” and speculates that “light planes would be an ideal means of spreading chemicals or biological agents.” http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timelin.../m29fbimemo.jpg In 1999 it is learned that an al-Qaeda agent had studied flight training in Norman, Oklahoma along with Hijackers Atta and Marwan Alshehhi. Zacarias Moussaoui does study at the school in early 2001. May 1998 In a press conference from Afghanistan, bin Laden discusses “bringing the war home to America.” He indicates the results of his jihad will be “visible” within weeks. June 1998 US intelligence obtains information from several sources that bin Laden is considering attacks in the US, including Washington and New York. This information is given to senior US officials in July 1998. August 1998 A CIA intelligence report asserts that Arab terrorists are planning to fly a bomb-laden aircraft from a foreign country into the WTC. The FBI and the FAA don't take the threat seriously because of the state of aviation in that country. Later, other intelligence information connects this group to al-Qaeda. A few weeks later, a captured member of the al-Qaeda cell that bombed the US embassy in Kenya tells an FBI agent about a conversation he had with his cell's leader. The leader told him that al-Qaeda was planning an attack on the US, but “Things are not ready yet." August 1998 US intelligence finds information that bin Laden's next operation could possibly involve crashing an aircraft loaded with explosives into a US airport. This information is provided to senior US officials. December 1998 A document prepared by the CIA and signed by Clinton states: “The intelligence community has strong indications that bin Laden intends to conduct or sponsor attacks inside the US. December 21st 1998 In a Time magazine cover story entitled “The Hunt for Osama,” it is reported intelligence sources “have evidence that bin Laden may be planning his boldest move yet—a strike on Washington or possibly New York City in an eye-for-an-eye retaliation. ‘We've hit his headquarters, now he hits ours,’ says a State Department aide.” Early 1999 MI6, the British intelligence agency, gives a secret report to liaison staff at the US embassy in London. The reports states that al-Qaeda has plans to use “commercial aircraft” in “unconventional ways”, “possibly as flying bombs.” Nothing is done with the report. 1999 The FBI receive reports that a terrorist organization is planning to send students to the US for aviation training. The Counterterrorism Section at FBI headquarters instructs 24 field offices to pay close attention to Islamic students from the target country engaged in aviation training. An analyst at FBI headquarters conducts a study and determines that each year there are about 600 Middle Eastern students attending the 1000 flight schools in the U.S. March 1999 US intelligence learns of plans by an al-Qaeda member who is also a US citizen, to fly a hang glider into the Egyptian Presidential Palace and then detonate the explosives he is carrying. The individual, who received hang glider training in the US, brings a hang glider back to Afghanistan, but various problems arise during the testing of the glider. June 1999 In testimony before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and in a briefing to House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence staffers. The chief of the CTC describes reports that bin Laden and his associates are planning attacks in the US. Setember 1999 A report prepared for US intelligence entitled the “Sociology and Psychology of Terrorism” is completed. It states: “Al-Qaeda's expected retaliation for the US cruise missile attack … could take several forms of terrorist attack in the nation's capital. Al-Qaeda could detonate a Chechen-type building-buster bomb at a federal building. Suicide bomber(s) belonging to al-Qaeda's Martyrdom Battalion could crash-land an aircraft packed with high explosives (C-4 and Semtex) into the Pentagon, the headquarters of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), or the White House. Whatever form an attack may take, bin Laden will most likely retaliate in a spectacular way.” The report is by the National Intelligence Council, which advises the President and US intelligence on emerging threats. Late 1999 The first phase of the US Commission on National Security/21st Century, co-chaired by former Senators Gary Hart (D) and Warren Rudman ® is issued. It concludes: “America will be attacked by terrorists using weapons of mass destruction and Americans will lose their lives on American soil, possibly in large numbers” Earlier in December, the CIA estimates that al-Qaeda will launch between five to 15 attacks against American targets around the world over the New Year's weekend. “Because the US is [bin Laden]'s ultimate goal…we must assume that several of these targets will be in the US… ” Since late 1999, there is intelligence that targets in Washington and New York would be attacked at this time. There in fact are a number of planned attacks, including bomb attacks on the Boston and Los Angeles airports, a hotel in Jordan, and a naval ship in Yemen. But all of the attacks are foiled, thanks to a good deal of luck. March 2000 US intelligence obtains information about the types of targets that bin Laden's network might strike. Specially mentioned are the Statue of Liberty as are skyscrapers, ports, airports, and nuclear power plants. Amazing how the former Clinton admisistration is so quick to point fingers when they were recieving the same vague warnings for years and did absolutly nothing about it. Now that the 9-11 report is out, the information is there for anyone who wants to read it. -------------------- Not a word was spoken to contradict or disagree with S@bot when he called me a....
bully, dictator, snide, hypocrite, arrogant, smartass and lets not forget, according to him the way I act is reprehensible. Yet, you're going to censor my signature because it's inappropriate and might hurt his little feelings??? Sorry. don't think so QUOTE Druid had my admiration and even though he has always come across as an arrogant, snide and very many times a smartass in posts and pm's S@bot aka Little Silver |
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| eulogy |
07/28/04 1:38pm
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 Second Lieutenant  Group: Forum Troll Posts: 302 Joined: July 12th 2004 Member No.: 807 |
again im just 16 i didnt know all that you guys just said but , the year of lewinsky,clinton was in court half the time so he couldnt do his job. im just saying that could be a reason y justice wasnt done. --------------------  |
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| DIESEL |
07/28/04 3:10pm
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but of course everyone is allowed an opion...thank god for freedom of speech
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| lithium |
07/28/04 3:41pm
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Corporal Group: Forum Member Posts: 37 Joined: July 4th 2004 Member No.: 804 Xfire: tldlithium |
I had a feeling Real that you will try to deflect blame on Clinton and I was expecting that. All I hear from Republican Party since Bush came to White House is " Blame on Clinton". I'm not going to defend Clinton and I'm not going to bash Bush. One thing I see on your forum is that you guys breath intolerance and you are not able to have civilized conversation. You guys are so right and everyone with different opinion must be idiot. If this is the way you want it to, be it. It is after all your website.
I can live with knowing that you are very opinionated and devoted to your cause individual. I admire your devotion and energy in spreading your point of view. But you do not know me, so don't make it personal and don't call me a dumbest. I did not ever think of you this way and I will never call you any names, even if in my mind you were far away from the truth. I also said "one of many responsible" not the only one. -------------------- |
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| Silver |
07/28/04 4:21pm
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ok i didnt vote for bush or clinton last time. i liked clinton but he was full of shit. but so is bush. they all are. cilinton took the w keys off the keyboards at the white house. childish. neither bush or clinton or any red white and blue american is responsible for the acts of 9-11.the people responsible are the ones that acted out the orders of the attack. the pilots had a choice to carry out the orders or not. they did. its osamas fault for ordering and planning. regardless, it took a person to commit the acts they did not have to act that out, they choose to. put the blame were it belongs. nothing could have stopped the attacks, everyone has to find someone to blame to make it all better. there is no one left to blame except osama and company. fuck i voted for nader, he would have smoked a joint insted of war. guess im glad we had bush. all this bullshit about kerry and bush, they are bolth assholes LIKE nader and aint any of them gonna help the poor or the middle class. maybe a poor guy should be prez and shit would change... |
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| realdeal |
07/28/04 6:27pm
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I think it's the other way around. You blamed it on Bush because it happened "on his watch" I was just stating the facts.
Not true. We welcome everyone's input on polictics. I think you mistook my post for saying I am right and you are wrong. You said: "You right Real. We will never forget Mr. Bush for his incompetence. It happened on his watch and he should be one of many responsible for it. " And I just responded with my view on the subject along with facts.
Uh, I never said you were dumb.
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| eulogy |
07/28/04 6:37pm
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Second Lieutenant Group: Forum Troll Posts: 302 Joined: July 12th 2004 Member No.: 807 |
d. i think your right.. no one is lookin out for the middle class. republicans help the rich and demorcrats help the poor and somewhat middle. (basic breakdown)
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| Silver |
07/28/04 7:14pm
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Major General Group: Banned Posts: 6596 Joined: March 30th 2004 Member No.: 680 |
i dont think anyone trys to help anyone. republicans think that they can help themselves by cutting their taxes and taxing the rich and mid class, the dems think that they can get rich by giving the poor and mid class a tiny incentive to spend more money. they do help the poor work for mc ds and the republicans try and help the poor work for bk. so unless u can make it on ur own ur screwed. i really try and not get involved in politics cuz i view them very odd. there is no good politican and there is no good lawyers. they try and screw u no matter what.
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