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post 12/13/07 8:07pm
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What is the coincidence that both Mars and the earth are showing an increase in surface temperature at the same time? Maybe it has something to do with nature, or solar waves from the sun? Maybe more research is needed here afterall?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1720024.ece



Or maybe there is a Martian invasion fleet taking off for earth right now!



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post 12/13/07 10:38pm
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Vinny, did you see that now they are saying the Arctic ice sheets may be melting because of magma?



In Greenland the earth's crust is thinner apparently.



http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/...71212103004.htm

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post 12/13/07 10:44pm
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post 12/14/07 12:46am
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It's our fault. Because we are increasing the greenhouse gases here it's causing more heat to be reflected off of Earth back onto Mars. So we're killing two planets at once. Don't you feel bad now? I bet there's some really cute animal that they can champion this cause with as well.


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post 12/14/07 1:11am
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QUOTE(Cpt. Snot Rocket @ 12/13/07 8:07pm) *
What is the coincidence that both Mars and the earth are showing an increase in surface temperature at the same time? Maybe it has something to do with nature, or solar waves from the sun? Maybe more research is needed here afterall?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1720024.ece



Or maybe there is a Martian invasion fleet taking off for earth right now!





Wow Snot thanks for the heads up on this one.

I bet ya the Mars futures on the stock exchange have fallen through the floor.

I certainly won't be investing in NASA's next giant leap into the cosmos..AKA sending a man to Mars sounds a little pointless to me now thats for sure...After all by the time the astroNuts return after there 2 year adventure there bones will be so brittle they probably could not even support ther own body weight.Not to mention there heart muscle would be so weak they more than likely would not even be able to exspand there rib cage for a nice breath of fresh..CO2..? I mean Air...LoL

I can see it now the Astronuts would return to this planet and say "hey where 'd all the land go"?

The second Astronut would say 'Hey remember before we left that Guy Al Gore was saying the ice caps are melting and its all are fault.Gezz i guess he was right.

Global warming is the biggest fraud perpitrated on the american people.its just another way of Taxing are asses for pumping more CO2 into the atmosphere than the next guy.Ok lets just say We cut back on co2 emisions.Whose to say the next Giant economy on earth soon to pop "China" is going to comply..if you think they will your one of those suckers born every min.



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post 12/14/07 9:25am
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I wonder if this is going to cause a decrease in the Mars property value.

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post 12/14/07 4:14pm
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Here is some light reading...

http://www.businessandmedia.org/specialrep...lScientists.asp

Co-Founder of the Weather Channel
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/JC_comments.doc

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1350746/posts

http://www.aim.org/publications/aim_report/2002/15.html

http://www.lavoisier.com.au/papers/article...v2006forWeb.pdf

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316566,00.html

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/global_...2/10/55974.html

What is the word? Oh yeah Hypocrite
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard...-takes-mercedes


NASA fixes their data…. Oh 1998 is not the warmest year on record anymore.
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/08/09/hot-n...-the-millenium/

http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/13830/

http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=...d1-2fefe0905363



Why is everyone pushing this at the UN?
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard...ayers-foot-bill

Hey lets sign up for that!

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/un-want...-global-warming

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-shep...tax-rich-scheme
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post 12/14/07 4:52pm
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One thing that has always given me the biggest kick is that these "scientists" want to try and tell me what the weather on Earth is going to look like 100, 1000, or even 1,000,000 years from now when they can't tell me with any amount of certainty what it will do tomorrow.


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post 12/14/07 6:20pm
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What always makes me laugh is that people think they are smart enough to tell us what the perfect climate is for the planet.

What if being 4 degrees warmer means that the CO2 will allow the plants (see food) to grow better thus ending world hunger?

I mean if there were no such thing as NATURAL climate change. I would be sitting under a mile high chunk of glacier here in Ohio.

I guess it was an extinct species of caveman that drove around their SUV's and caused the planet to warm and melt the glacier.....

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post 12/14/07 10:15pm
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QUOTE(Genocide Junkie @ 12/14/07 4:52pm) *
One thing that has always given me the biggest kick is that these "scientists" want to try and tell me what the weather on Earth is going to look like 100, 1000, or even 1,000,000 years from now when they can't tell me with any amount of certainty what it will do tomorrow.
QUOTE(Blitz @ 12/14/07 6:20pm) *
What always makes me laugh is that people think they are smart enough to tell us what the perfect climate is for the planet.

What if being 4 degrees warmer means that the CO2 will allow the plants (see food) to grow better thus ending world hunger?

I mean if there were no such thing as NATURAL climate change. I would be sitting under a mile high chunk of glacier here in Ohio.

I guess it was an extinct species of caveman that drove around their SUV's and caused the planet to warm and melt the glacier.....






Junkie,Thank you sir.

I was going to make that very statement last night.

We here in the in the tri- state area are waiting on a NOR -Easter tonight and the wheather man predicts yesterday 6 to 12 inches...Now its snow,freezing rain,sleet ,and rain..covered all the bases would'nt you say..lol.

Blitz,my friend your killing me with all that Light Reading.I need a speed reading coarse thanks to you..lol



Ok I will agree the earth is in a warming trend before my good friends MOD,And Undead ring in and attempt to hand me my head..All in good fun.

I sorta look at it like this..Why do you think they call it "Mother Earth"?

Because She's a lady..She runs hot and cold.No offence to the ladies out there.

For instance lastnight i asked my girl after a nice dinner and a movie..Wink.. Wink..What do you say.

Naw I got a head ache.

And tonight she said to me wanna get lucky Sailer...

Food for thought...lol



Comon MOD, and,Undead bring it on old buddy..lol



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post 12/18/07 9:20am
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"When the chips are down I think democracy is a less important goal than is the protection of the planet from the death of life, the end of life on it," he says. "This has got to be imposed on people whether they like it or not."

http://www.lttonline.co.uk/lttxtraarticle.php?uid=7064


http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/12/17/eur...od.php#end_main
Ahhh Bio-Fuels a good idea unless you depend on food from the US, why plant wheat when corn prices are through the roof.


http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/200...w-nsi121107.php
The models are so acurate they can't predict what we know happened when you plug the numbers in.
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post 12/18/07 11:18am
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Here is a link from an astronomer's web site that debunks the "other planets are warming up crap.

http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2007/04...-solar-induced/


There's a meme going around the internets and in the MSM that Earth is not alone in global warming: other planets, according to this story, are experiencing it too.

The usual crowd, along with many others, are taking this idea and running with it, saying that if other planets are warming up, obviously the warming on Earth is not man-made. But there's a small problem with this: it's wrong (for a more detailed analysis of this, see my blog post at Bad Astronomy).

The idea is that evidence shows that Mars, Jupiter, Neptune's moon Triton, and even tiny, distant Pluto are warming up. The only thing these objects have in common is the Sun-- so therefore the Sun must be the culprit, and we -- the polluting, self-absorbed humans -- are off the hook.

However, as an astronomer and a skeptic, I did something most ditto-heads don't do: I actually did some research. What I found is that first of all, the evidence that Mars is warming up is tentative; basically, the southern ice cap appears to be shrinking, and along with other evidence this indicates that there is some sort of climate change going on. However, the change may very well be local, confined to the southern region. Plus, we already know that other factors, like the shape of the orbit of Mars, contribute to climate change there. Looking to the Sun as the source of this is unwarranted.

The claim about Jupiter warming is simply wrong. There are localized places where gas from deep in the atmosphere (where it's warmer) is bubbling up, but this is again a localized effect, and not an indication of global change. Jupiter's atmosphere is a very weird, turbulent place, and honestly we don't understand it all that well. Calling this jovian global warming is premature at best.

Triton is entering its summer season, and due to the peculiar orbit it has, this summer will be a particularly extreme one. If it's warming there, it's a seasonal change, and expected.

And as for far, wee Pluto, it's so far out that if any warming there were from the Sun warming up, the Earth, which is much closer to the Sun, would be roasted. Since the effects of GW here on Earth are subtle, it's safe to ignore Pluto.





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QUOTE(THE Mechanic @ 12/14/07 11:15pm) *

QUOTE(Genocide Junkie @ 12/14/07 4:52pm) *
One thing that has always given me the biggest kick is that these "scientists" want to try and tell me what the weather on Earth is going to look like 100, 1000, or even 1,000,000 years from now when they can't tell me with any amount of certainty what it will do tomorrow.
QUOTE(Blitz @ 12/14/07 6:20pm) *
What always makes me laugh is that people think they are smart enough to tell us what the perfect climate is for the planet.

What if being 4 degrees warmer means that the CO2 will allow the plants (see food) to grow better thus ending world hunger?

I mean if there were no such thing as NATURAL climate change. I would be sitting under a mile high chunk of glacier here in Ohio.

I guess it was an extinct species of caveman that drove around their SUV's and caused the planet to warm and melt the glacier.....






Junkie,Thank you sir.

I was going to make that very statement last night.

We here in the in the tri- state area are waiting on a NOR -Easter tonight and the wheather man predicts yesterday 6 to 12 inches...Now its snow,freezing rain,sleet ,and rain..covered all the bases would'nt you say..lol.

Blitz,my friend your killing me with all that Light Reading.I need a speed reading coarse thanks to you..lol



Ok I will agree the earth is in a warming trend before my good friends MOD,And Undead ring in and attempt to hand me my head..All in good fun.

I sorta look at it like this..Why do you think they call it "Mother Earth"?

Because She's a lady..She runs hot and cold.No offence to the ladies out there.

For instance lastnight i asked my girl after a nice dinner and a movie..Wink.. Wink..What do you say.

Naw I got a head ache.

And tonight she said to me wanna get lucky Sailer...

Food for thought...lol



Comon MOD, and,Undead bring it on old buddy..lol



"T.M."


Me and the Capt. Atill. agreed to stop as out arguments just cancelled each other out.

Anyway, I'll just say I hope you're all right, and the rest of the world is idiot's and liars. But I will add on point/clarification. The issue isn't whether planets go through climate change, it is the speed at which the change occurs is the issue.




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post 12/18/07 11:34am
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QUOTE(THE Mechanic @ 12/14/07 9:15pm) *

I sorta look at it like this..Why do you think they call it "Mother Earth"?

Because She's a lady..She runs hot and cold.No offence to the ladies out there.

For instance lastnight i asked my girl after a nice dinner and a movie..Wink.. Wink..What do you say.

Naw I got a head ache.

And tonight she said to me wanna get lucky Sailer...





I hear talk like this and I get instantly aroused. I just can't get that last sentence out of my head, it got my blood flowing like there's no tomorrow. I just need one question answered to give me release:









What kind of boat do you have?



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The issue isn't whether planets go through climate change, it is the speed at which the change occurs is the issue.


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Nope. That's not the question. The question is "what effect does mankind play in global warming and cooling?"



Mars may be experiencing localized warming. Maybe.

The same argument can be made on earth as the Antartic Ice is getting depper and deeper and glaciers around the world are growing! http://www.iceagenow.com/Growing_Antarctic_Ice_Sheet.htm



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