Stats Options

[HammaTime]

I would imagine that MOB has a script running to update the stats every day. I believe the script for the Stock BA weekly stats was written incorrectly to only update mon - fri. I've noticed the last couple of weeks that these particular stats aren't updated on Saturday and Sunday.

Also, Cross and I noticed an oddity in this week's stats. Take a look at the newly crowned "King" (the player who has scored the most points per round) {Dev} Uber Jaeger, his stats indicate that he has played only 2 rounds of Foy. Amazingly, he managed to score 156 in one of those rounds. Perhaps someone can point out to us how this was possible. He killed only 38, died twice , planted and destroyed one base and defended a plant on another base. And that was in TWO rounds.

So, where do the extra points come from? He is listed as having attached 33 bases. How on earth does one find 33 bases in two rounds?? It looks to us as if someone has figured out a way to hack the stats!

-Hamma

[Cross of Iron]

Maybe the bases were rebuilt inbetween being shelled ?

[Druid]

You can see the same thing in your stats, this is off the weekly
http://8.9.4.75/Base_Stock_7day_stats/play...}hammatime.html
12 rounds but you attacked 246 bases.
I think your confusing breached with attacked.
Everytime you attack a base you get points, doesn't mean you breaced the base

Here are the extra actions and their point vaule
longest; 5
Suicides; -5
TeamKills; -10
fivecombo; 5
Sacrifice; 10
KClub; 5
MClub; -7
KHandbagged; 18
MHandbagged; -5
KClubBinoculars; 18
MClubBinoculars; -5
bomb_plant; 5
bomb_defuse; 5
bas_attacked; 1.1
bas_breached; 4
bas_defend; 1.2
bas_defused; 15
bas_destroyed; 7
bas_planted; 4

And the weapons
none;0
: Riflemen (bolt action)
kar98k_mp;3
mosin_nagant_mp;3
enfield_mp;3
: Semi auto riflemen
m1carbine_mp;3
m1garand_mp;2
gewehr43_mp;3
svt40_mp;3
: Heavy machine gunners
dp28_mp;4
mg42_bipod_stand_mp;4
mg42_bipod_duck_mp;4
mg42_bipod_prone_mp;4
mg34_mp;4
mg_sg43_stand_mp;4
m1919a6klart;4
mg50cal_tripod_stand_mp;4
: Support machine guns
mp44_mp;2
bren_mp;2
bar_mp;2
mp44_semi_mp;4
bar_slow_mp;4
: Light machine gunners
ppsh_mp;2
thompson_mp;2
mp40_mp;2
sten_mp;2
ppsh_semi_mp;4
thompson_semi_mp;4
: Grenadiers
fraggrenade_mp;3
mk1britishfrag_mp;3
rgd-33russianfrag_mp;3
stielhandgranate_mp;3
satchelcharge_mp;5
: Snipers
kar98k_sniper_mp;1
mosin_nagant_sniper_mp;1
springfield_mp;1
: Pistoleros
luger_mp;5
colt_mp;5
webley_mp;5
tt33_mp;5
: Rocket
bazooka_mp;5
panzerfaust_mp;5
panzerschreck_mp;5
: Other
flamethrower_mp;5
binoculars_mp;5
flashgrenade_mp;5
smokegrenade_mp;5
binoculars_artillery_mp;3
PTRS41_Antitank_Rifle_mp;1
fg42_mp;1
fg42_semi_mp;1
mg30Cal_mp;4
sten_silenced_mp;1
: Tank
mg34_tank_mp;1
30cal_tank_mp;1
50cal_tank_mp;1
mg42_tank_mp;1
sg43_tank_mp;1
: Turret
sg43_turret_mp;1
sherman_turret_mp;1
su152_turret_mp;1
elefant_turret_mp;1
flak88_turret_mp;1
panzerIV_turret_mp;1
mg42_turret_mp;1
t34_turret_mp;1
pak45_turret_mp;1
pak40_turret_mp;1
bt7_turret_mp;1
kv1_turret_mp;1
mortar_turret_mp;1
pziii_turret_mp;1
pziv_turret_mp;1
stugiii_turret_mp;1
t34_76_turret_mp;1

BTW I am still looking at the vsp stats package.
There are several issues I have to find a workaroud for.
For example, right now the Barb servers and Cassino will only show 1 round played because the map doesn't change.
You could play all day but it will only show you playing one round

[flatliner]

first and foremost,

hammatimes music is classic!!!

now for the meat.

I have researched cheating a bit. Most people are not even trying to hack a game, but are lucky in streaks, which has even happened to my putrid ass. Here we go though...

Please take the time to observe some of the top scorers in the forums. Spectate them. Not to call any of them out, but it will take more bullets to kill some of them, and the accuracy is always higher. following them for a few games, I have noticed that explosions hurt them less, and it will take up to 10-15 percent more to hurt them. Example. While lying in a spawn, I began unloading a ppsh on a player. EVERY bullet hit. He had time to turn, and head shot me. I have seen some astornomical scores, that are related to saving bases, or defending bases, so i am not sure about the scores being tweaked. I looked into the possibility of use of undectable trainers. They ARE out there (poeple whom play COD2 know of this). Accuracy tweaks, and damage limiters are some of the options. Good hacks will lose. Lots. But they will be the ones who take the chances, and put themselves into situations for maximum damage to the other team, they can take 4-5/1 ratios, and it will look authentic. Almost instantly upon being spectated (it is unknown to me if the can see if they are being spectated) the score starts to even out. I have even seen some players pause thier play within a few seconds of me spectating, which only fuels my interest more. Another example... Player A is on a run (a really good one) killing 5-6 poeple, maybe dying, and continuing with the streak. his score is somewhere up to 25-5, Player A kills Player B, who was the unlucky part of one of player a's houseclears... Player B jumps out and goes to spectate, over time, the Player A score is 29-19. INstead of first place, they are in 7th. and they (guess what) disconnect. I know this is my like 50th post on hacks. I really respect the players who can get the drop on somone, especailly big time campers, and change the tide for a moment. The players who know the map, play the advantge of extreme knowledge, and get the edge that way, are awsome to watch. I realize that there is software inbedded to protect, and complaining is a moot point (and irritating to most) and not to mentionrather boring to read, but I LOVE playing (threw some cash to the site last week) and just want things to be fair...

whaa!

[ScrapyardBob]

Well, everyone on the team gets 4 points for every base cracked. Plus, whoever has the last shot that opens the base gets an additional 4 points. Here's a small bit of the scoring from the bas.gsc file.

setCvar("scr_bas_plant_score",2);
setCvar("scr_bas_breach_score",4);
setCvar("scr_bas_defuse_score",4);
setCvar("scr_bas_destroyed_score",5);
setCvar("scr_bas_defend_score",1);

Every time you hit a base with a shell, the "base attacked" event occurs in the logfile. Which is why that stat is so high in the log files. There's no in-game points associated with it (other then what might be on the stats page).

The defense score (extra point for killing the attacker) happens if:

// 1. we were planting a bomb so give out defense points
// 2. if they attacked a base recently (10 seconds)
// 3. if they are close to the base give them points (within 1000u)

Whoever plants the bomb gets an additional 5 points if the bomb explodes (in addition to the 5 given to the team and the 2 points for planting in the first place).

[Hellfighter]

first and foremost,


I have researched cheating a bit. Most people are not even trying to hack a game, but are lucky in streaks, which has even happened to my putrid ass.While lying in a spawn, I began unloading a ppsh on a player. EVERY bullet hit. He had time to turn, and head shot me....

On the other side..... lol, Are you sure all your bullets are hitting? -do you have blood effects on.... I notice in some of my duels where I come out on top, an opponent will be horrified they lost, certain I was shot full of holes. On occasion I take the time to tell them the truth as shown on my health bar. Few if any shots actually hit me! Sometimes the game mechanics are perhaps mystifying, as bummed out as I get about losing a firefight I thought I should win I don't [perhaps naively] consider it the other playing being underhanded, for the sake of my stress level -which team mate noobs are grinding at already, lol.


This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 03/07/06 1:04pm

[HammaTime]

Thanks for the props Flatliner. MC was THE man. It was a shame he lost his well-earned respect over the years. The good news is that he is climbing back. He has a new single coming out soon. I wish him only the best.

This discussion of stats is a good example of "hacks." Often, something that we think is fishy turns out to be perfectly legit. Often it is simply our own ignorance that masks the truth. Both Cross and I were ignorant to the actual points awarded for the various skills, and thus, we jumped to the conclusion that someone couldn't possibly obtain the score this player received in Foy. We now know better.

I don't like it when people complain in-game of hacks. In the gajillion of rounds that I've played since COD first came out, I've only seen hacks on servers that don't have PB running. I've seen suspicious stuff on MOB servers, but going into spec mode often reveals that the most egregious activity has come from someone who exploits a map to get outside the boundaries and snipes from below the map. It is easy to find these cheats and even easier to make sure they don't come back again - screenshot, post in forum. Problem solved.

Cross and I have worked together in the practice server to learn how someone can possibly avoid death in a bunker if a satchel is dropped down the chimney. Neither of us has ever survived this satchel drop if we remain in the bunker, yet it appears we have players who have a "hack" that prevents them from taking a lethal amount of damage. Just the other day I was battling in Ponyri and the Germans had the Ruskie 3 surrounded with armor. Several Germans dismounted, tossed a satchel down the chimney, backed up, waited for the bang and then rushed headlong down the stairs. Those of us on top would hear the ensuing gunfire and then the eerie silence that followed the realization that our teammate was dead. This was repeated enough times that we now had the Ruskie 3 surrounded by a handfull of empty tanks and I was the only tanker left. A number of dead players were screaming "HACK!"

The only conclusion one could make was it was either Superman down there, or it was someone who had a hack running. I rolled my tank up so I could see down the stairs, dismounted, tossed a satchel and then jumped back in the tank. "Superman" was merely one of the talented regulars on the server who knew enough to run half-way up the stairs to avoid the blast. He managed to dart back down the stairs before I could hit him with a tank round. He was both smart and fast!

I too, have managed to avoid a satchel death by running into the stairs. But, that is one satchel. I've never managed to do that twice. It must have been a hack, you say!

Correction, Grasshopper.

Remember how any number of Germans had run into the base thinking they'd killed the enemy with their satchel? Their subsequent easy kills provided Superman with enough med packs to survive subsequent satchel explosions.

Bottom line here is that a lot can happen outside of your purview, stuff that makes it seem as if someone is running a hack, when in reality they've just figured out something for which you haven't developed a proper counter measure. Tossing a few grenades into the stairs as you drop a satchel might help, or running to the stairs yourself to kill the guy as he climbs the stairs would be even better.

I can give you another example. Cross and I were in a base setting a bomb. A skilled American raced in with his Tommie blazing and before either of us could raise our weapons, he had dropped both of us with headshots and defused the bomb. We both felt this was evidence of a hack. We spec'd him, but couldn't find anything out of the ordinary. We have subsequently heard some people marvel at how he, at times, runs at a phenomenal rate of speed. So, perhaps he has figured out some speed hack he only employs at certain moments. I don't have the answer to that, but I do have my own subsequent experience as a guide.

Playing American a day or so later, I too raced into a base and ran directly at two Germans planting a bomb. They both died with what seemed like magic bullets to me. I had never killed so easily with that weapon. If I stand still and fire that thing, I seem to hit with a very low ratio. Something odd happens when you run directly at a stationary target with the Thompson. It kills with the greatest of ease!

I'm sure there are hundreds of exploits in this game and many of them appear to be hacks. Our challenge is to figure them out, and more importantly, to figure out a proper counter measure!

-Hamma

You can see the same thing in your stats, this is off the weekly
http://8.9.4.75/Base_Stock_7day_stats/play...}hammatime.html
12 rounds but you attacked 246 bases.
I think your confusing breached with attacked.
Everytime you attack a base you get points, doesn't mean you breaced the base

Thanks, Druid and Scrap for sharing that actual data. Cross and I had stumbled upon the same info ourselves and had discussed it directly, but failed to post a follow-up. My bad.

-Hamma

[Cross of Iron]

whens the rest of this interesting noval coming out....LOL.

[Sgt. Thomas]

first and foremost,

I have researched cheating a bit. Most people are not even trying to hack a game, but are lucky in streaks, which has even happened to my putrid ass. Here we go though...

Please take the time to observe some of the top scorers in the forums. Spectate them. Not to call any of them out, but it will take more bullets to kill some of them, and the accuracy is always higher.

Ok Flatliner, I'm ranked 5th with my new name and 8th with my old name and i have no clue how to cheat. Some days i feel like i'm invincible and others i feel like i've got a target on my forhead. If you think i'm cheating you can spectate me as long as you want. I feel i've gotten better at handling the weapons that i play with and learning the equipment on the battlefield. If you look at my stats you will notice that i am effective with the PPSH and suck really bad with the MP44, so when i come across a PPSH on the ground i pick it up. I like to be upclose and personal, "Spray and Pray" LOL. As far as everyone else i can't tell you weather they are cheating or not, I've seen some amazing shit. Anyway drop by and spectate me sometime, it'll be fun..

[Druid]

Please take the time to observe some of the top scorers in the forums. Spectate them. Not to call any of them out, but it will take more bullets to kill some of them, and the accuracy is always higher. following them for a few games, I have noticed that explosions hurt them less, and it will take up to 10-15 percent more to hurt them.

Whatever makes you fell better

[Cross of Iron]

Please take the time to observe some of the top scorers in the forums. Spectate them. Not to call any of them out, but it will take more bullets to kill some of them, and the accuracy is always higher. following them for a few games, I have noticed that explosions hurt them less, and it will take up to 10-15 percent more to hurt them.

Whatever makes you fell better

[UNDEAD 1]

I was just curious about the stats myself from the weekend.i finally got to play during peek hrs fri sat and sun i had about 15 or more 100 + point games and most of them i had less than 20 deaths.im not a stat watcher but i do check on mondays to see how my kill/deth ratio is improving and to no avail i wasnt even ranked on the weekly stats but still ranked 10th on reg stats.

and flat-we know theres some people who can get away with it (you can tell in the game-they move weird ,i feel) they dont lift theyr weapon when shooting either.ppsh is not acurate though,hard to say with that gun.

hamma and cross- thats been my biggest question ,how does a satchel not kill certain guys.thanks for clarifying that it is possible.

[flatliner]

i knew this would ruffle the wrong feathers...

Thomas, first off, I have watched you and you are fantastic. seriously. I enjoy watching and learning.i have picked up a ton of ideas from you, scrapyard, and other MOB members. I did not mean to get anyone all pissed. I really enjoy specking experienced players so i can learn. Sadly, the players are not members of the forums. I am preaching to the choir. I am past the discussion of the bunkers, I have learned a ton by reading the forums. Specific places to hide, and sit during different attacks. Throwing kabooms out of the vent, and droping the beloved sachel of suicide. All very creative. I am more conerned about the field. Some are better than others, and i did not want to go off and piss off cross and the guys. I try not to let off the steam in a game, it brings out anger. I really thought i could vent on here, where people have had similar experiances. I am not going to go through the time of screenshotting. I just get on to play. I posted under frutration and curiousity.

this novel can end now...lol.

[HammaTime]

I don't think you even came close to pissing anyone off. I enjoy these discussions. Cross just likes getting in my face once in a while just to get a reaction. If you'd fought alongside him as long as I have, you know that whatever he says, there is a chuckle behind it somewhere ... unless you do really piss him off, and then watch out!!

-Hamma

[Sgt. Thomas]

Don't worry Flatliner i'm not pissed off and i'm surely not amazing, but i do appreciate the compliment. When you said top ranked players i took offense to it and just wanted you to know how i felt about it. No problems though i love the game. I think you came in the game tonight just before i got out, i hope you did a little spectating. lol. Have a good one and i'll see you on the battlefield.