Sir Lacelot of Camelot Options

[Lord Lipton]

i had big problems with this particular gentlemen this morning after i took down his G2 very quickly (it was a 1 v 1 at the time..) on barb. he was at my R3 and wouldn't have made it back in time to stop the base from exploding so he killed himself and respawned in time to try and defuse the base (i killed him and prevented it) but i told him its not allowed to go spec or kill yourself to respawn and get new ammo/defend a base. he commenced to say FU! I DON'T F'ING CARE! I WILL DO WHAT I WANT! and i told him how i was a former MOB member, and i know the rules (after he accused me of not knowing the rules...blahblah) and he just kept attacking me. everytime i'd die he'd say shit like "AWHH POOR LIPTON COMPUTER NERD" and stuff.



since he said he told me he didn't care if he was banned from anything, please can someone do the honors?



guid= 47fbded3



thanks in advance







-Lip



P.S. - i think it was around...11 eastern?

[flatliner]

who is this "lipton" guy....

I dont like that dude either. Just something about him.

[M@ster of Dis@ster]

i had big problems with this particular gentlemen this morning after i took down his G2 very quickly (it was a 1 v 1 at the time..) on barb. he was at my R3 and wouldn't have made it back in time to stop the base from exploding so he killed himself and respawned in time to try and defuse the base (i killed him and prevented it) but i told him its not allowed to go spec or kill yourself to respawn and get new ammo/defend a base. he commenced to say FU! I DON'T F'ING CARE! I WILL DO WHAT I WANT! and i told him how i was a former MOB member, and i know the rules (after he accused me of not knowing the rules...blahblah) and he just kept attacking me. everytime i'd die he'd say shit like "AWHH POOR LIPTON COMPUTER NERD" and stuff.



since he said he told me he didn't care if he was banned from anything, please can someone do the honors?



guid= 47fbded3



thanks in advance



-Lip



P.S. - i think it was around...11 eastern?

WHAT!!!! Since when are you not allowed to kill yourself to get back to a base???? Judging by the number of suicides to top players in BA, I suspect I'm not the only one who does it. Come on. I consider this a selfless team move to kill yourself to try and defend. I tell people in Vent to do it!

MoD

[Druid]

Very chessy tactic

[miked]

WHAT!!!! Since when are you not allowed to kill yourself to get back to a base???? Judging by the number of suicides to top players in BA, I suspect I'm not the only one who does it. Come on. I consider this a selfless team move to kill yourself to try and defend. I tell people in Vent to do it!

MoD

It's not allowed in twl, so some people never do it at all. I'm not sure about specific site rules. I think that there are ethical issues with suicides and team kills to get more ammo or specifically defend a base. But again, I do not know what the site rules say.

Heck if you take a tank up the North Hill in Kursk when Cross is on you don't need to worry about Suiciding. You'll be dead soon enough anyway.

miked

[Lord Lipton]

is there not a rule in cassino where you can't go into spec and come back so you don't die? i've seen people be reprimanded for it on barb as well ! plus he was a total faggot towards me for no reason. i told him its not the right thing to, so he decided to attack me for the rest of my stay on barb. i couldn't enjoy myself the entire time, he just created strife. please get rid of him.

[M@ster of Dis@ster]

is there not a rule in cassino where you can't go into spec and come back so you don't die? i've seen people be reprimanded for it on barb as well ! plus he was a total faggot towards me for no reason. i told him its not the right thing to, so he decided to attack me for the rest of my stay on barb. i couldn't enjoy myself the entire time, he just created strife. please get rid of him.

Are you guys talking about a "spec suicide", or a regular one with your own gernade, or both? I've never done the first, but I don't see the problem with the second. If I keep a gernade and am willing to blow myself to pieces with it, I don't see how that tactic is "lame" or "wrong" anymore than learning to park tanks at various points in the map and shooting from one side to the other is "lame" or "wrong", or using paks to do same, or spawn killing, or exploiting the spawn logic by parking stuff in the way, or tank hiding. All legit stratagies within the confines of the game IMO. Popping out of the game and back in is different, but if I got a gernade, I should be able to use it any way I want.

I'm getting off subject of Lips overall complaint here, but I just never heard of this before.

MoD

[Maj. H8Red]

Very chessy tactic

Yes VERY lame!!!!!

[Bargod]

I used to do the "suicide to respawn near the base" trick for defusing until I got involved with TWL matches where it is illegal to kill yourself for any reason and illegal to team kill when a respawn gets the team member arty or spawns him to defuse a base. If you are going to play on TWL you just need to learn to play all the time by the TWL rules or you find yourself doing something wrong in a match.

[majorhavoc]

I agree it's cheesy, too. While I end up killing myself a lot in Barbarossa, it's purely through stupidity. I don't think I've ever done it to defend or defuse.

Another thing I've seen people do (and we used to ban people for doing it on our MFD Bashers MOH:AA server) is jump in and out of spec to find a hidden sniper or some other player that was confounding another player. We considered that a weak move.

[M@ster of Dis@ster]

I used to do the "suicide to respawn near the base" trick for defusing until I got involved with TWL matches where it is illegal to kill yourself for any reason and illegal to team kill when a respawn gets the team member arty or spawns him to defuse a base. If you are going to play on TWL you just need to learn to play all the time by the TWL rules or you find yourself doing something wrong in a match.

Yeah, I think that if you have TWL which can police it, fine. But as I say, I've been playing a year and a half on regular servers, and never knew of it being an issue, or that anyone would disapprove of it. Calling it "lame" is because you've played TWL and they have a rule against it. We allow spawn killing on our servers, MANY don't, they'd call that "lame". What is lame is subjective.

At least I do know now, because I was wishing to get involved in TWL and I might have made that mistake!

MoD

[Maj. H8Red]

Calling it "lame" is because you've played TWL and they have a rule against it. We allow spawn killing on our servers, MANY don't, they'd call that "lame".

Big difference between intentional suicide to defuse a bomb & spawn killing. If you have a short memory, I was not the first to call it lame/cheesy. If your memory is even shorter than that, MOD, you'll remember that I was a member of mob for a year, I'm very well aware of the spawnkilling rules. Seems you have alot to say all of a sudden now that you're a part of mob.

[Cross of Iron]

WHAT!!!! Since when are you not allowed to kill yourself to get back to a base???? Judging by the number of suicides to top players in BA, I suspect I'm not the only one who does it. Come on. I consider this a selfless team move to kill yourself to try and defend. I tell people in Vent to do it!

MoD

Heck if you take a tank up the North Hill in Kursk when Cross is on you don't need to worry about Suiciding. You'll be dead soon enough anyway.

miked

[M@ster of Dis@ster]

Calling it "lame" is because you've played TWL and they have a rule against it. We allow spawn killing on our servers, MANY don't, they'd call that "lame".

Big difference between intentional suicide to defuse a bomb & spawn killing. If you have a short memory, I was not the first to call it lame/cheesy. If your memory is even shorter than that, MOD, you'll remember that I was a member of mob for a year, I'm very well aware of the spawnkilling rules. Seems you have alot to say all of a sudden now that you're a part of mob.

Whatever dude. I missed the fact that your tags were gone, and you left to be honest. I thought I you were still a MOB member, I missed all the changes.

My reply was directed at both the lame/cheesy comments. I'm just saying I've played for a long time, never hid that I did it, even said it on the forum and in vent, and this is the first I've heard of it being something people didn't like. And it continues to be my opinion that it is subjective what tactic is lame/cheesy when it is part of the game, as opposed to a true hack/exploit or switching between game and spec mode. I suppose the rule against it is to add "realism" since people really can't kill themselves and repawn in better location, but neither do soliders respawn in front in a hut again and again while someone with a tank shoots them! Like I say, one person's great strategy is another person lame or cheesy shortcut. Some people think MOB allowing spawn killing is lame. Others "suicide gernade spawning". Some people think using paks across the map is lame. I was just trying to defend myself for using a tactic that I've seen others do and never heard a negative comment about after a long period of gaming.

MoD

p.s. I checked my stats. In 608 games, I've suicided a total of 29 times, most of which would have been unintentional, whether it be a fight, or arty on myself. I'm just saying on the few occasions I did do it, I didn't consider it a lamo shortcut...I thought it was a good sacrifice for the better of the team.

This post has been edited by M@ster of Dis@ster: 09/23/06 5:53pm

[HammaTime]

p.s. I checked my stats. In 608 games, I've suicided a total of 29 times, most of which would have been unintentional, whether it be a fight, or arty on myself. I'm just saying on the few occasions I did do it, I didn't consider it a lamo shortcut...I thought it was a good sacrifice for the better of the team.

Man, I must be Mister Klutz as I have a ton of suicides. Of course, many of mine are from my dropped satchel or grenade as I've tried to defend a plant. I've never suicided on purpose to get back to a respawn point. However, on these very forums I've seen those who do that be praised as being a "team player."

One of the many reasons we allow spawn killing is because we don't want to have to police those who are doing it. We'd be spending all our time kicking people. It is part of the game. I feel the exact same way as far as suicide to move to respawn point. Who cares!?! Unless you are playing a TWL match where they have strict rules against it, have at it.

And Lipton, as far as trying to police the servers as an ex-MOB[Reg] - well, we see how far that got you! LOL. Maybe BsS stands for Be a Suicide Stopper. Maybe you can hand out some cool badges.

Naw, you don't need no stinkin' badges!