Thoughts? Options

[Robert]

A Brit I work with sent me this.
http://www.dotsub.com/films/moredemands/in...setting=en_1618

Whats' your thoughts?

Funny, but accurate at the same time.
The comment at 4:00
ending with
"I say that with all due respect"

Was great.

[UNDEAD 1]

i may be way off key but he reminds me of the english version of the jersey guy .

[Robert]

Are you talking about my main man

Uncle Jay

http://www.unclejayexplains.com/

[Shred]

That is absolute genius.

Uncle Hussein Jay.

Damn, that British guy don't care for the Saudis mucn.

I agree with his point, that without oil, they would not be in good shape. The demand will go away eventually. Don't know if I'll live long enough to see it.

[Hellfighter]

lol- Brit humour rules;

I never heard of 'Saudi Human Rights' before ....hilarious -what's that called -paradox-oxymoron?

Democracies need to remember their essence -freedom of individuals over faith-mongerors.
- [I think that's where Huckabee stuck himself up the arse by going heavy on the faith doctrine angle].
Not perfect, but give me democracy to breath the fresh air-> with no stink of outright tyranny in the wind.
If only those common folk in muslin nations that are led by fascist leaders could see how bullies are suppressed in democracies -when the individual has the means to support each other and give these 'community leaders' in jackboots the royal middle finger without fear of reprisal. But it doesn't help when the fatcats in the West turn a blind eye to another nation's dictatorship for the sake of financial gain by supporting them.
I feel sorry for the typical muslim who fears speaking out knowing there's an endless number of cowardly jihadist whackjobs ready to take them out if they speak-up -that's the real problem....
My opinion- Only way to kill off the jihadist threat is to starve their source from the outset-kill their reasons to turn to the nutcase extremist rhetoric; somehow convince them personal freedom is THE reason to be... and not mindlessly following nutjob self-annointed psycho 'leaders'/bullies/killers.






This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 03/05/08 6:06am

[Blitz]

I read a bit of international stuff but I am by no means an expert. I don't know how "acurate" these stories are to the reality of what is happening, but they do paint a stricking similarity to the theory of political correctness, multicultural, group politics that we have been steadily marching towards for the last 20 years.

I feel we are 15 years behind going down this wonderfull path of enlightenment, if we could just keep trying this but do it better we would reach nirvana and buy that world it's coke.

Until then, a couple video's and some light reading from the British news.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn-KsSX_0us

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD190HVYHUI...feature=related

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/7204635.stm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...nbenefit103.xml

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...3/nislam403.xml

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...nschools131.xml

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/feb/04/uk.terrorism

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/34470/...12-at-UK-school

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2008/02/17/45756.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/15/bae.armstrade

http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2008/feb/21/...-radical-islam/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...in_page_id=1770

[Shred]

Man, someone in the UK needs to get a backbone.

[Cross of Iron]

Afew things you should also know....since the UK has alot of these" towel heads " in it now....ALL schools ,Hospitals and other buildings where they go ..ALL the signs have to be in 15 different launages and English has to be at the bottom ,or its classed as racist.



Also when I was at school we had RE or religous Education (all about Jesus and stuff) but now they cann`t do that as it is inpossing on their religion ,so last year my kids ent to school and then came home siging their fucking BS religous songs....also Christmas dinner at school is nolonger turkey and the like but curry ,popadoms and all that crap.



When we were expecting our first baby (my daughter ) we were allowed to know what sex it would be ,but not now ,as if they know its goner be a girl they have it terminated if its their first,as there rules or some shit is the first born has to be a boy.



There is more but its just so damn depressing ....how I`m glad I don`t live in that ( soon to be 3rd world country )

[Blitz]

Cross,
Wow that's sad that things really are going that bad.
I did a little research for this topic and was shocked at what I read and to get some confirmation is downright scary.

Out of curiosity how fast was the freefall after Margaret Thatcher left office?

The policy of appeasment is the easy way out for politicans, I guess it's much harder to stand up and say here is our culture and ideals if you want to come here and live you have to play by our rules.

Do you see any of the same type of stories of appeasment, and feel good policy that started the decline happening today in Canada and the US?

[Robert]

The two main problems which will result in the downfall of this country
Political Correctness
Turning to a doctrine/policy of appeasement

[UNDEAD 1]

horrible,if i moved to the middle east they probably kill me in a week for breaking some sort of religous law.

[Cross of Iron]

One thing you have to remember ,is that ALL UK policy is really govened by Brussels,as the UK is part of the EU.

So in reallity the UK is really dictacted to by the EU govenment..therefor if any new rule or policy is brought in its by them.





To give you afew examples of this...



Afew years ago Brussels decieded that a Banana can only be called that if it was bent at a certain degree.

Thats the kind of Bs that we have to live by in the UK ,seems far fetched I know,but thats the truth.



As for "the Iron Lady" as she was known,was the best PM we ever had ,apart from Winston Churchill.She never stood for any Bs ..like tha Falklands war ,the riot in Scotland and the Miners strike..

When she left office ,the amount of flowers and stuff that was delivered to 10 downing St was unbelivable..

If anyone in her cabinet didn`t like what she did ,she got rid of them..it was alll about the way the country should be run...she brought down unemployment and made sure hospitals had better staff abd lower waiting times...you NOW look at it and its all in the air and only for politicans self benefits.

[Genocide Junkie]

The problem in the UK sounds much like the problems here in Guatamala.... er I mean Alabama. Sorry I made a trip to Wal-Mart today and got confused as to which one I live in. And I live in Alabama, you know, the redneck, hate everyone not named Bubba, Southern part of the United States. But even here we are now reading most signs in Spanish as well as English. It's not that I have a problem with the legal hard working people who are here. Because they are all legal. Right? Certainly they wouldn't be here putting a strain on our schools, hospitals, legal system, and other infrastructre. I'm also sure that money they are earning is going right back into the local economy. Right? I read an article that estimated that as much as 40% of their earnings went back to their families in Mexico and Guatamala. I guess I just have a problem with people who come here and rape where I live and won't bother to learn the language. If that's racist or whatever you want to call it then I'll wear it proud.

[Robert]

A story about Margret Thacher aka the Iron Lady
I always though was interesting was how she prerecorded her eolugy for Reagen due to her failing health.

[Hellfighter]

horrible,if i moved to the middle east they probably kill me in a week for breaking some sort of religous law.

I don't think most of us liberty-believers would last a few steps out of Saudi International Terminal -or whatever its called.....

well you know my opinions that a healthy free society's laws has to supercede manipulative religious doctrines. Here are some of my other thoughts.[ tylenol time.... ]

I live in Canuckland [like Cross I moved here from UK] and I love the system here -given we are heavily multicultural there's a general live and let live respect amongst the cultures. We had our history of divisive 'cultural' attitudes up here -and I lived through some of the most frictional ones in the last 2 decades, now there is a harmony -not perfect, but people live very well together compared to 20 years ago when 'multiculturalism' was a bitter topic to discuss. There are super-mosques here and a multitude of varied cultural events, tv stations, stores.... but there's not the general attitude of needing to have our official rules in the languages of immigrants; we do have this available as a privilege regarding 'government info access', but its not the law- nothing like the USA govt, needing to have hispanic speaking officials present at elections and for driving permits. Some would erroneously compare Quebec and the French language issues-however, the Quebecers were the original immigrants from Europe, Brits came after-so from my non-Quebecer view having French as an official language up here is all fair in my books.

Secondly regarding 'political correctness'. I think up here in Canada our govt. strives to put the principles of democracy before 'migrated' cultural clashing practices. I've seen the most bizarre cases up here-including ethiopians wanting to be allowed to perform 'female circumcision' [true], and when I was in Toronto there was a hilarious [actually -no, a bit disturbing /church bells we're used to of course, but this 'vocal chanting' seemed too bizarre] episode of a muslim prayer wailing from a loudspeaker [I believe a tradition in some muslim countries] all over downtown from parts unknown at a certain time of the day - it took about a week before City Hall could track down from which roof was the source of it to cut it off. The danger of bending over backwards too much to community 'power leaders' has its danger of one thing leading to another where lines are blurred and its too late to stop yielding to more infringing demands and appeals.

Thirdly- 'towel heads and political correctness'. I was born a Brit to immigrant parents.My thoughts on the name-calling enviroment. Its easy by some, either through the media or misconceptions to categorize all immigrants as a whole as out to takeover -regarding 'taking jobs' and being too bold for their own good. Typically an immigrant arrives in a country just wanting to get by. But the negative connotations are aroused by the few amongst them that want to take advantage of the system for personal fraudulent/criminal reasons or to maintain their power soapbox position they had through the rules of their culture in the homeland they left. Blaming the rest of the immigrants for the actions of these few is a mistake. Its everyones choice to name-call - but what do you mean by it, and what does it mean to an individual is the question. Do most people as the brunt of the name-calling say 'what did I do now!' - can the name-caller tell them the answer?- Normal people have their limits to continuous sniping at - the levels of limits vary, but there is a level.
[Put another way-A squad of soldiers may be the most well behaved unit in an army but they'd have a limit to their niceness if they got sniped at continuously while on patrols in a populated area.]

Often these troublemakers/policy change wishers, actively try to encourage the non-affiliated immigrant to follow their ways with some kind of intimidation in hand and they do so through weak-knee-d politicians. It's no fun for the average 'joe' immigrant just wanting to do his workday and hear on the news or from strangers how they're directly involved in some conspiracy to takeover a system. For example, in a thread by someone who used to be here equated seeing a large riot-like crowd in 1 or 2 photos as the general sentiment of the Muslim community in the UK... he'd be correct to say the 'extremist' sentiment, but imo a divisive stretch to claim otherwise -especially since he's never lived or visited the UK.
It seems easier not to realize this process rather than blame a whole group as out to disrupt the system. This comes through name-calling and wild accusations. The only way most non-minorities in the West can understand that agitating lifestyle on a daily basis is to live in Pakistan or a Talibum-run village [-ok not that bad. One thing we shouldn't forget is that it was fine when hundreds of thousands of towel heads [sikhs/muslims and africans - ] were fighting with the West against Global Fascism and helped defeat it.
Political correctness to me has always meant 'polite correctness'. Sure, most joking or stepping on toes attitudes are unintentional but there is a blur between someone who means well and someone who means to insult. For me I'm in the polite in general camp- its no stretch for me to feel 'awkward' about not joking or acting offensively to other cultures or groups. I'm not sure how having to be 'politely correct' is one of our society's downfalls. Rather, blame the politicians for foolishly ignoring the dangers of yielding to non-democratic demands of cultural leaders. It's not that hard to say no if the politician has moral fibre rather than thinking of the votes he'll get in the next election - that person should be your valid target -they give the power to 'unfair policy change seekers' where they formerly had none.I'm with Shred in his opinion.


This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 03/06/08 1:42pm