Bar Stool Economics Options

[Hellfighter]

this surplus of money doesn't appear out of thin air of course - it is being taken away from the poor worker who typically has no choice but to accept being ripped off.

I did not know there was a set number of wealth around and that if someone gets more money that it must be taken from someone else?

What happens when the population changes, a new invention like the computer, or a new industry is created? Does that mean that someone else must lose?

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Seems to me someone else is losing to help in bloating CEO salaries.... and that someone else is on the bottom rung of things. Something like Computers/high tech industries though you make a good point -all of Bill Gate's workers aren't exactly starving - but I did get ripped of buying Windows Millenium back in the day.

Regarding illegal immigration worker surplus -aren't most of the jobs they do the ones that noone else wants to do at the pay employers push on them.


This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 06/04/08 6:27pm

[Robert]

"Regarding illegal immigration worker surplus -aren't most of the jobs they do the ones that none else wants to do at the pay employers push on them."

That is one of the biggest an most subversive myths about illegal immigration.
Proponents of Illegal immigration always try to get people to envision the seasonal migrate Agricultural workers.
That's a load of B.S.
There are a lot of what use to be decent working class jobs that have disappeared over the last few decades because of illegal immigration.
A Few examples.
Meat packing plants, sure it's a crappy job in poor working conditions but it use to be a reasonably well paying job for someone who was willing to do the work. Not everyone is cut to be a white collar professional.
30 years ago jobs like this allowed people to earn a decent living wage. Now 75% of them are done by
illegal immigrates who are willing to work for considerably less as long as their employer is willing to overlook their legal status.
Lots of the support type jobs in constrution have disappeared to anyone who doesn't speak Spanish an willing to work for half what the job use to pay.
These are jobs people of limited abilities use to do to make a decent living. They were never going to get rich but they had an oppurtunity to do a job where hard work counted for something.
There is nothing wrong with being a ditch digger, a man could have repect for himself for doing a good job while making a decent living. Now jobs like that pay half of what it use to because the employor can get an illegal immigrate to do it for less. The comapnies doing this have the attitude, So what if we are breaking the law.
Middle an lower class American workers are out $200 billion annually in lost jobs and wages.
We don't need any new laws, just the laws we already have to be "ENFORCED" against any business willing to look the other way, break the law, just because it saves them a little money.

There have been several studies done that show the wave of poor uneducated laborers pouring in from the south has already depressed American wages.
I don't know how anyone could agrue that is a good thing.

[PFC Mustangman]

On this illegal immigration I knew a Mexican man who had a concrete construction buisness.He went to Mexico and got some mexicans and put them to work for his company.On our street were some rundown rent houses owned by a homegrown funiture company who bought these places and fixed them up to minimal standards and rented them out at 75 dollars a week.So you know what kind of residents we got.Low income,for they paid by the week.As I understood it they were paid cash for their job every week.Out of their pay they paid the Construction owner for the rent on the houses for the illegals couldn't rent without an ID.On Paydays they would come to where I worked and get 500 dollar money orders and send them to Mexico.On their days off they were mostly in the yard drinking beer.Oh yea it was always 5 to 7 mexicans per two bedroom house.Never saw any females.I've moved since then and I don"t know if it is still going on.This was in about 1989 to 1995.