EVEN with MISSIONARY accused of CHEATING Options

[Panzer]

Lol, you're too funy Ep.

[TheDoc]

[Silver]

i believe in screen shots missionary works BUT i wonder about its ability i dont feel its fool proof. screen shots are a the way if you think someone is hacking missionary...speaking of hacks i think u's had a few on yesterday a group used
a-cell was their tag like u's use mob

This post has been edited by D. Silver: 05/15/04 10:52am

[DIESEL]

lets just drop the subject and keep playing lets face it even with the lag of missionary there r great players out there and i hope it wil never be hacked but we all know some punk will do it...i dont want this to start as a flame war between anyone lets face it put aside the nOObs that play on MOB's server and take the great players that do use missioanry do we think eachother hack...of course not but the suckers that dont use it and have pings of 200 with a score of50-4 ...ya i dont think so... i wish there was a place for the ELITE players and run missionary that way i trhink no one would accuse each other of hacking...just an idea!

This post has been edited by {3rdSS}DIESEL[Ostgruf]: 05/15/04 10:58am

[TheDoc]

Screen shots are not fool proof either.

[Epacy]

[Epacy]

[TheDoc]

[Silver]

no but there is no fool proof way if they go through all that trouble to beat miss screw with screen shots etc... its more trouble for them then MOB

This post has been edited by D. Silver: 05/15/04 10:56am

[cypher]

I will tell you the same thing I tell other good players that I personally have forced screenshots on:

Take it as a compliment. If you get forced then you know you are playing stellar. Some of the players I have forced on in the past year+:

{MOB}D.E.U.C.E
{MOB}Lt. Stone
{MOB}Mayhem
{MOB}Aternus
Jred
Occisor
Hotpocket Holley aka someotherstupidname

The MOB guys were forced before inclusion. To be honest, the blatant cheaters usually don't get forced on, we allow them to play long enough to get thier IP address and we add them to the master ban list. It's only the ones that we are uncertain of that get forced on.

Again, take it as a compliment and a reassurance that you are playing on a cheat-free server.

Cypher

[Silver]

[Druid]

A few things I wanted to clarify for anyone who reads this.
Personally I highly doubt Missionary will be bypassed mainly because most of the people who make cheats are not that smart.
People may take this the wrong way, but up until 6 months ago I was active on the main cheat forum. I posted a ton of good job and wow you kick ass post for over a year. You would be surprised how quickly the cheaters will take anyone in who they think is like them. I got to be on very friendly terms with several of the bigger names. There were even a few occasions that I was sent cheats for testing before their release . Most of those guys do it for one of two reasons.
They crave the attention or they crave the feeling of power that they single handedly ruined the game for a lot of people.
People give the guys who make cheats way to much credit. MOHAA is completely unprotected and made to be easily modded. It's always made me laugh when they refer to themselves as hackers. 99% of the cheats could be made by anyone who spent a few days playing around with mohaa and took a little time to see how everything worked together. Even when it comes to some of the more sophisticated cheats, it wasn't a matter of the person creating something new. More often than not, it involved someone taking lots of time making small changes to cheats made for other games using a hit or miss approach until they got it to work. In that regards I guess they could be called hackers seeing as how they basically hacked other peoples work and passed it off as there own.

All the big names in the cheat world have tried to bypass missionary. Every single attempt has fail. There were even a few who claimed they had bypassed it only to be proven wrong in the end. If you go look at the main cheat forum you will see I'm right. In the beginning they all claimed they would and could bypass missionary, now they say there is no need to, so they won't take the time. Pretty big 180 on their attitudes if you ask me. There is even a recent reply on one of the cheat forums from the guy who made most of the best cheats. When asked if there was a bypass for missionary, he replied no and he was tired of hearing about it.

There have been a lot of bumps in the road with missionary. Bart has at times taken a lot of flack over problems and issues people have had with his program. For those of you who know him, he isn't a programmer by trade, it's much more a hobby for him. There have also been several professional programmers who bashed him for writing the program in VB and some mistakes he made with the program itself. The real reason I don't think missionary will be bypassed like all the other anticheat programs has nothing to do with with me thinking Bart did a fantastic job on the program or that his programming skills are top notch. The reason is, he was the only one smart enough to encrypt his program from the very start. Plus he didn't just use some freebie or readily available cheap encryption program to block people from stealing source code which anyone could just as easily google there way to a bypass for. Unlike everyone else, he went with a top of the line professional encryption program which I know he paid an arm and an leg for. So if in the end I'm wrong and something does get by missionary, I would be willing to bet it doesn't involve someone actually bypassing it but getting something by it that he and the people who helped him didn't think of. If this happens, I've no doubt a fix for it will be made in a day or two and whatever someone spent months working on will be rendered useless in a fraction of the time.

Now back to the topic at hand.
I would agree a few occasion when someone in MOB forced screens on a player it could and should of been handled better. I also agree with Big, if the time comes when a cheat does get by missionary, if Bart doesn't catch it 1st, MOB would be the next most likely ones who do.

The forcing of screens on missionary players are something new and I don't think the people doing it fully understood the difference between forcing missionary screenshots and normal ones.
If the admin forces Missionary level screenshots the player will never even know they had screenshots forced on them until they leave the game. Once you leave the game a missionary message box will pop up and tell you
You had screenshots forced on you, their location and who to email them too.
The screenshots will be zipped and password protected. They will be located in
C:\Missionary\SS
The file name will include the date and the email address to send them to.

Part of the new concern about a missionary bypass was raised by me when something out of the ordinary showed up when I was reviewing the server log for a missionary player.
No reason to go into details, but now after some testing I've been able to duplicate the same problem and verify it had nothing to do with a cheat for missionary. It was simply an error on how some missionary player information was received by the server and CI.

To DIESEL,
My opinion is we owe you an apology. Not for forcing the screenshot but the fact you came here in good faith asking about them and no one could give you the right answer.
The screenshots are not located in the mohaa screenshot directory as you were told but in c:\missionary\ss

To TheDoc
Your comments were unneeded. If you think an admin was wrong to force the screenshots after several people asked him to check a player, well your wrong and he's right. I've no need to justify what we do to you but I will leave you this to think about.
If you think the way we run our server is so bad, maybe you should spend more time on your own.

[DIESEL]

thanks DRUID apology accepted and another thing some people say black barts programs suck ..i disagree at least it is someone who reallys loves this game like so many of us and has taken the time to keep MEDAL OF HONOR going strong unlike the support from ELECTRONIC ARTS go and complain to them everybody we need everyone's support cuz u know damn well Pacific Assualt aint too far away and hopefully they will have some protection for us

[JP]

Druid: the most common responce to bypassing missionary is, "Why tere is only 5 servers using it, we will just goto the other 1000, that dont use it" Some good "hackers" they are.

[TheDoc]