The truth about Fahrenheit 9/11, Interesting Read.... Options

[realdeal]

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[Silver]

what a tard...

[cypher]

That guy has always been a windbag. I saw a show on A&E where I caught him lying and I haven't believed anything that has come out of his mouth since.

Do I believe our President is a moron, bordering on illiterate? Yes. Do I think the Bush family legacy will be as the worst Presidential family in the history of the United States? Yes. Do I need a lying, fat fuck to tell me that? NO! I have a brain, I can figure stuff out for myself.

If you people want a true representation of events in our country with opinions backed by facts and numbers, read a book by Al Franken. Not only will you be smarter for it, you will laugh your ass off.

Cypher

[realdeal]

OMG! Al Franken?????????????????????????

...and to think I used to love you Cy.

[cypher]

Sorry Man, I just read his last book and it was awesome. If you guys want to read another book about just how fucked up our political system is, read Dollars and Sense. It was written by a former Senator and will really open your eyes.

Cy

[NecroKitty]

Cypher, I haven't told you that I love you lately enough.




(p.s. Franken's new book rocks...we also get his radio show here - not as good, but amusing)

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BTW, I sat in on a lecture by my favorite Poly Sci prof a few weeks ago and he asked the class what their biggest fear should be, right here, right now. After a few minutes of writing responses on the board and summarily crossing the items off, he stepped back and asked the question again. The correct answer was, "You have more to fear from ignorance than anything else on Earth."

I love that guy.

Cypher

[Johnzillah]

I will take my President with his sub 100 iq over John F. Kerry any day period. Im sure Kerry would have offered an apology to the terrorist if he was in charge when those buildings fell in NY, you know cause everything in this country that is wrong is GWB's fault .The media has you to believe that we are not making any progress over in Iraq and that we are over there for a lost cause. Believe what you want, watch the biased news and listen to countries that already dislike us because we are prosperous and do the right thing. If this was on their shoulders they would just sweep it under the rug like the honorable Bill “slick willy” Clinton. Time will only tell. Hopefully Kerry will call up Grey Davis and ask him to be his treasurer. Maybe the two can succeed and ruin not only California’s economy but the whole US. You want something to read, read Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, or Ann Coulters books. Franken is a joke. For one thing he was never funny and never was a good comedian. Looks the same for his political radio show Air America which is crumbling and about to fold will prove that. Hate that. Change, yeah you could say that. I was a Democrat that just got sick of what they were offering and doing with my tax dollars. You know where I stand. Im straight R in November.


Zillah

[cypher]

C'mon Johnnie, give me some numbers...

Clinton came within 15 minutes and 2 cruise missiles of killing Bin Ladin years before 9/11 using selected special ops soldiers and good intelligence. Now we have no idea where the guy is with the entire US military looking for him.

I read an interview with Greg Graffin (lead singer, Bad Religion, MBA) who said, (paraphrasing) 'Five years ago the country's biggest concern was a cum stain on a blue dress, now we have to wonder if every minivan that drives up to our show is loaded with explosives. You tell me if we are better off?'

I don't agree with everything the Democratic party does, I don't think anybody should follow any one party blindly. Get out and meet your candidate, know what they are truly about and then vote.

I will tell you when I lost my faith in the Bush administration. Last year during the first quarter Bush announced that the economy was in recovery because he created thousands of new jobs during the fourth quarter of the previous year. The fourth quarter, are you fucking kidding me? UPS alone hires 40,000 people during the fourth quarter for Christmas help, people who go back to their normal lives after the holidays. Then the report for the following quarter comes out and lo and behold we were still in a recession.

Nobody is 100% right, nobody is 100% wrong. Do I think Kerry is going to make a good President? I don't know, nobody does. The problem is that I don't think anybody will do a worse job than Bush.

Cypher

ps: Is Coulter the crazy one and Limbaugh the drug addict or is it the other way around?

This post has been edited by cypher: 07/07/04 12:11pm

[Epacy]

Cypher is right!

[realdeal]

[cypher]

No, I don't blame the economy on Bush, I am an educated man and I understand the cyclical nature of our ecenomical system. I do think you need to realize that the 1.5 million new jobs are not really new jobs, but for the most part people that were laid off simply got thier old jobs back, some at lower wages than they previously had. I may be mistaken, but I believe there are still millions of unemployed people that had jobs before Bush took over. At the current rate, during both Bush administrations, they will have created not one net job for this country.

I believe Ramseh Yusef is spending life in prison on Rikers Island, so I wouldn't call that doing nothing...I'm sure he enjoys the shower sessions.

As for the congressional support, For the majority of his tenure, Clinton presided over a Republican Congress. If they really felt it was in the best interests of the country they could have forced the issue differently.

IMO, we have gone way too far too preserve the civil rights of individuals, regardless of race or religion. Up until 9/11 the worst terrorist act on US soil was perpetrated by a dis-illusioned redneck. The problem is that we have a Constitution that could never have envisioned society as it is today. That is the downfall of a strict interpretation of a deliberately broad-minded document. BTW, it was not a liberal administration that said we couldn't use racial profiling, it was the Supreme Court of the United States. Right or wrong, it now has set precendence and it will take a different sitting panel to change it.

I am glad this is opening debate, as the only voice that is wrong is the one that isn't heard, especially as it pertains to politics.

Cypher

[realdeal]

Cypher, correct me if I am wrong but you sound like a Kerry supporter. If this is correct, tell me what Kerry will do to right the so-called "wrongs" you have pointed out.

[Blakjak]

You guys are way over my head for the most part as you obviously have much higher educations but I do understand the economy part, well mostly anyways. The slowdown in the economy is like you said cy a very cyclic thing and changes continuously, often despite efforts by the government. So many things govern it that from my view it's impossible to say whether Bush has really made a dent in 9/11 economic damages. The internet boom of the 90's has subsided in addition to the increasing number of jobs being lost to overseas markets. Can anything really be done to replace the jobs and the business lost by these two trends?- I don't really know. Personally I think you would have to have a drastic idealogical and social shift for there to be a truly effective increase in jobs, rather than just government programs and initiatives. And is another tech boom really all that likely?- maybe there are some new radically different types of products or technology coming out within the next decade or so that will provide a new frontiers but I do not really keep up with that sort of stuff. I unfortuantely miss the election by one day as my birthday is Nov. 8, but in one sense I am glad because I don't really care for either of the candidates and havent the time to really investigate which if either I would vote for.