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Blakjak
post 02/27/05 10:16pm
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Have you guys seen the recent articles in Time and the New Yorker Magazine about the CIA outsourcing it's interrogations to other countries. Pretty scary stuff, and sad that the government thinks they have any right to do that to people, American citizens least of all. sad.gif


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post 02/27/05 10:29pm
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your right blak. we i think have been doing that for awhile giving to isreal and other mid east peoples because they use torture. we dont. sux!

*edit* sux cuz i have a sick mind and would be good at that job.

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post 02/27/05 10:36pm
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Yeah, If we capture a terrorist who could provide us with information to prevent a future terrorist attack... let's not torture him. Maybe if we tickle him with a feather he will spill his guts.

Puh-Lease.....


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post 02/28/05 12:43am
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QUOTE(realdeal @ 02/27/05 9:36pm)
Yeah, If we capture a terrorist who could provide us with information to prevent a future terrorist attack... let's not torture him.  Maybe if we tickle him with a feather he will spill his guts.

Puh-Lease.....
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I think the whole point of the article is that we're torturing the wrong people, and that the 'system' is set up so that there's no accountability or oversight. TIME sucks, read the new yorker's article: outsourcing torture (feb. 14 & 21).
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post 02/28/05 1:38am
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It's not even just the possibility of torturing the wrong people. You can't take a terrorist who has been tortured to trial. It's a violation of their civil liberties and the US is "against" torture. Their are currently several terrorists in Germany who can't get convicted because the US won't let Germany have witnesses currently held in Guantanamo. Germany, and most of the world, believe it is because the US tortured these individuals, or, of course, sent them to Egypt or another country to be tortured.
Since nobody had apparently thought about the fact that you can't convict or release someone who has been tortured, the US doesn't know what to do with them. This is why so few people are being released from Guantanamo.


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post 02/28/05 1:51am
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i personally believe sensory deprevation is a great source of info. torture in its self is out dated and old. we have drugs that make people talk. and other means such as our psy ops operated by the CIA and the Miltary probally have more useful means with less brutal means of extracting info. you can fuck people up more by messing with their minds then you can hurting them. the mind never really heals, the body does.
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post 02/28/05 3:31am
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yep. agents say psychological pressure and the threat of torture is much more effective than physical torture. and you're absolutely right about detainees being in no-man's land, can't go to trial but can't be released either. it's all in the article..
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post 03/27/05 10:49pm
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Thank you Holden, and I have read both articles, and both are equally alarming. I think some people are so blinded sometimes that they don't even read the post, much less reseach the source being referenced. I hope all those that voted for Bush are enjoying the fruits of his labor...

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post 04/05/05 10:32pm
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QUOTE(Blakjak @ 03/27/05 10:49pm)
I hope all those that voted for Bush are enjoying the fruits of his labor...
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jawohl! next up... the debate on social securty!
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post 04/05/05 11:48pm
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QUOTE(holden_caulfield @ 04/05/05 10:32pm)
QUOTE(Blakjak @ 03/27/05  10:49pm)
I hope all those that voted for Bush are enjoying the fruits of his labor...
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jawohl! next up... the debate on social securty!
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oh god....here we go.


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post 04/06/05 5:09pm
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no no no, we shall all be spared. rolleyes.gif
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post 04/10/05 11:46pm
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Social Security is a whole 'nother can of worms, one that need not be opened because there are so few people who understand everything involved in it. What's more interesting to me is the relatively non-existent push on medicare and medicaid reform from the Bush administration, a problem that is potentially exponentially more troublesome than social security. sad.gif


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post 04/11/05 4:05am
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hey blakjak,

Here's a good website which covers political, social, cultural, cinematic, etc. events. While it freely admits its liberal ideology, the articles strive to justify its conclusions with intelligent and thoughtful analysis (as opposed to immature name-calling or empty rhetoric rah rah stuff). Every once in a while it'll even feature a republican article, or interviews with republican politicians in order to show both sides of a story.

www.salon.com -- dedicated to the power of the written word

You'll have to pay for membership, but you can always get a free daypass if you watch the opening ad.

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