 The Patriot Act Uncovered, Welcome to a police state |
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| cypher |
 08/18/05 2:50pm
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 Colonel  Group: Forum Member Posts: 1297 Joined: August 18th 2002 From: Orange County, CA Member No.: 31  |
First, let me preface this post by saying that personally I don't think the civil rights afforded to citizens of this great country should be extended to non-citizens. I don't believe that anybody entering this country, legally or otherwise, deserves the same rights as somebody born here until they have proven to be an adequate addition to civilized society. In my opinion, if you come to this country and behave in a manner that is any less than eternally grateful that we took you in, you deserve a lifetime deportation after a year in a maximum security prison.
Having said that, I was mortified to fully comprehend the rights and priveledges taken away from me, a 5th generation US citizen, by the passage of The Patriot Act. I highly suggest that all of you watch the film 'Unconstitutional: The War on Our Civil Liberties'. It airs at the following dates/times on DirectTV. 08.28 - 09:00AM (Sundance Channel) 08.28 - 10:20PM (Sundance Channel) 08.31 - 05:00AM (Sundance Channel) After watching this, I don't know who to fear... Cypher |
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| Frosty |
08/18/05 3:27pm
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 Second Lieutenant Group: Forum Member Posts: 243 Joined: April 30th 2004 From: Muncie, IN Member No.: 725 |
I don't have DirectTV.... any highlights? I haven't noticed any difference in my civil liberties, but I'm curious to know what they are that have been removed.
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| Blakjak |
08/18/05 7:05pm
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Major Group: Forum Member Posts: 744 Joined: October 12th 2003 Member No.: 479 |
They've been taken Frosty, you just haven't experienced it yet. What always shocked me about the whole situation was that Ashcroft was going to push for a second, more restrictive Patriot Act. I'm reading Zakaria's The Future of Freedom right now for a class and the Patriot act goes hand in hand with what he addresses as an erosion of liberties in the name of "democracy." Very interesting read, highly recommended, NYTimes bestseller.
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| realdeal |
08/18/05 8:37pm
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 Admin Group: Not The One & Only Posts: 7517 Joined: July 26th 2002 From: New York Member No.: 2 |
QUOTE(Blakjak @ 08/18/05 8:05pm) They've been taken Frosty, you just haven't experienced it yet.  Elaborate... -------------------- |
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| Silver |
08/18/05 9:22pm
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 Major General Group: Banned Posts: 6596 Joined: March 30th 2004 Member No.: 680 |
whats new? we are not free.. havent been for years. what do you think the 60's were about? no one has the patience to fight for freedom, im no TE but society dont care too worried about the mighty american dollar. freedo, is not shooting a man 200 times because he tried to get away in his truck... self defense for the cop is not running in front of the truck and everyone shooting. i just coast along with the gov. no reason to fight by myself, no one else cares... ill move to CA sooner or later...
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| Blakjak |
08/21/05 1:03am
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Major Group: Forum Member Posts: 744 Joined: October 12th 2003 Member No.: 479 |
Real where in the constitution or any of our values as a democratic and liberal society does the government draw the ability to kidnap U.S. citizens, deporting them to be interrogated in foreign countries only to be returned without any charges being brought. That is a consequence of the Patriot Act and a well documented one at that.
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| realdeal |
08/21/05 1:05am
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Admin Group: Not The One & Only Posts: 7517 Joined: July 26th 2002 From: New York Member No.: 2 |
Well thank God for the patriot act then.
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| Silver |
08/21/05 1:41am
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Major General Group: Banned Posts: 6596 Joined: March 30th 2004 Member No.: 680 |
i have started to question some of the things in the patroit act, like kidnapping citizens and holding them indefentily w/o charges, the usae of cameras in public..(what good is a camera if the guyt is a suicide bomber...i would wave to the camera..) the fact that the gov can pull your school records and lib4rary records w/o a warrent... shit dont make no sense... get the terrorists not us... the terrorists are muslim men 18-35. (I would assume) lets start looking at the mosques with extremeists etc... not a muslim guy working on his thesis for medicine...
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| Frosty |
08/21/05 8:26am
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Second Lieutenant Group: Forum Member Posts: 243 Joined: April 30th 2004 From: Muncie, IN Member No.: 725 |
QUOTE(Silver @ 08/21/05 1:41am) get the terrorists not us... the terrorists are muslim men 18-35. (I would assume) lets start looking at the mosques with extremeists etc... not a muslim guy working on his thesis for medicine... If only it were that simple.... -------------------- |
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| Silver |
08/21/05 11:08am
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Major General Group: Banned Posts: 6596 Joined: March 30th 2004 Member No.: 680 |
I know, I know...
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| All over but the Crying |
08/22/05 6:27am
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Second Lieutenant Group: Forum Member Posts: 273 Joined: August 24th 2002 From: Tallahassee, Florida Member No.: 34 |
Hey guys, it's called the Patriot act it's got to be good right? Who would dissagree with anything called the "Patriot Act".
 Gone are our rights to privacy. The funny thing is that as Americans, we didn't even fight it. I don't know about you guys but a couple jets going down every 25 years or so would be acceptable IMO to not have to give up Civil Liberties and personal rights that were bestowed upon us by our forefathers and taken away by George Dubya.  aobtc --------------------  |
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| Too Exclusive |
08/30/05 4:43pm
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Major Group: Forum Member Posts: 574 Joined: February 14th 2005 Member No.: 1068 |
wow, finally something we can all agree on. welcome to my world fellas
 the patriot act was passed on October 27th, 2001, without being read by any of the ppl passing it. it is nothing new, although it is still there and needs to be confronted. someone mentioned the second patriot act, which i have seen, and u guys can see for yourselves by searching under its full name, "The Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003". like Benjamin Franklin said, "Those who give up liberty for security will only get tyranny," which is 100% true. |
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| realdeal |
08/30/05 7:30pm
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Admin Group: Not The One & Only Posts: 7517 Joined: July 26th 2002 From: New York Member No.: 2 |
QUOTE(Too Exclusive @ 08/30/05 5:43pm) wow, finally something we can all agree on. Wrong. I am all for the Patriot Act. Someone tell me what I am missing out on? -------------------- |
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| All over but the Crying |
08/31/05 8:08am
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Second Lieutenant Group: Forum Member Posts: 273 Joined: August 24th 2002 From: Tallahassee, Florida Member No.: 34 |
QUOTE(realdeal @ 08/31/05 12:30am) QUOTE(Too Exclusive @ 08/30/05 5:43pm) wow, finally something we can all agree on. Wrong. I am all for the Patriot Act. Someone tell me what I am missing out on? I guess you don't enjoy your fourth ammendment right to protection from Illegal search and seizure. Remember every bad law ever passed was written with good intentions. -------------------- |
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| Ice_Cold |
08/31/05 8:26am
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 Colonel Group: Forum Member Posts: 1285 Joined: November 9th 2003 From: Sioux Falls, South Dakota Member No.: 500 Xfire: hoodsiceman |
when i was at the bank yesterday i saw a sign that said the govt has a right to freeze my account and keep track of it. all under that pice of shit act
-------------------- "He who makes a beast out of himslf, gets rid of the pain of being a man" Bat Country, Avenged Sevenfold
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