i have some gripes and wonder if any1 else is seeing the same. i love when someone caps me from across the map with one bullet with a smg. when i fire on someone it takes nearly a whole clip if theyr moving (dont say head shots either).

ive also noticed that some players are twice as fast as the rest of the players (even partial sprint would be a huge advantage) and the guys who bunnyhop all around and at the last second fire and gt you with 1 shot is ridiculous! getting lucky once in a while is expected .being a great player maybe happen a few times. but more than 15 times a game is stupid!

i dont think punk buster is the answer either! allthough it kicks the newbs-it has been beaten since bf42 first came out !

if i die 38 times (sad!) i can a credit 20 of those deaths to being raped right at spawn! the game itself uses absolutely no skill,run around,shoot enemy! im sure weve heard all this before so ill quit my bitchen! i keep hear the word skill in cod2 -it doesnt belong there yet! ok i said it !(frustated)

I understand your concerns, most new comers to the game or even this genre often become frustrated early on. Yes that does happen, strange shots from across the map and what not but you have to take these things in stride. You can still have a good time even if you have a negative score. Granted I don't have this problem cause I'm probaly one of the ones your referring to with the miracle shots. My advice would be to practice, a lot, memorize every map, player habits, weapon selections, flow, and overall reaction times. He who reacts first wins. As for emptying clips and not killing is quite common, it all depends on how you start firing in the first place, if your on the run and start blasting away then of course your not gonna hit jack. Use the sights more, they have been improved sense the first COD and are much easier to hit with. Find cover around corners, behind boxes, on roofs, where ever, anything to avoid a bullet. It may sound hard to do all of these things, but just try it and practice often, very often. I try to play at least 20 hours a week to keep my skills honed. Hope this helps ya, sometimes games like this just come naturally to some and not to others.

IVE BEEN A LONG TIME PLAYER!

Damn boy, thats a part time job!

The time can sneak up on ya when you got nothing better to do. I remember one rainy day when I was playing MOHAA.....console (don't remember who was controling it) told me that I had been on for 7 hours straight.

I've seen some amazing things in COD2. Some are clearly glitches, some are just mystifying. I've hit people across the map when I was aiming at someone close. What's even funnier is they were on vent with me. I've seen mg rounds go thru walls on a couple of maps. And I'm pretty sure bullets ricochet in COD2. I don't have any proof, but I swear I've been killed while behind cover by bullets that ricochet.

I have been playing COD for a while now and I believe I am a pretty good player. I bought COD2 a week after it came out. I had to tweak all the settings in my game to get the game to play decent. Now I am up to an average of 50 fps. The gameplay is a little different, but not so much to say that I can be called a noob to this game due to my knowledge of COD gameplay. The main problem is not that I lack any skill in COD 2 just like Undead 1 is mentioning. I do believe it is because of hacks. There are many hacks out there. Some we all know about from recordings of guys that are just really blatent about how they cheat. But there are hacks out there that we do not know about because they are not so easily seen from just spec-ing the players. I have also noticed that there is guys out there that are faster and can take allot more damage than everyone else. I have had a guy in a window in my scope dead on center of his head and fired. He did not die. There is no way that can happen. He was still in the window when I looked the next millisecond after I shot so there is no factor of him possibly moving and me just nicking him. This game will not be fun for most competitors until there is some type of punkbuster available. You never know who is playing legit or who is cheating. Shit, I get accused of cheating in COD by noobs all the time. But I know that there is allot of cheats in COD2. Its no fun because of the cheats. Why practice as much as you mentioned if someone that has no skillz at all in the game but does have a great hack can easily kill you? I have decided to not play COD2, but keep looking at the forums until I see there is a Punkbuster out there for it.

you are exactly right nothing! in all the previous games ive played "patch days " was and always will be my favorite!its a turkey shoot for all the weak ass that cant play ligit! its also funny that alot of the guys you play with often,you wont see for a few days (playing under a new name or getting new exploits!) i have believed in any sport if you play with better players it pays off down the road(not that they are more skilled).the majority of my play is in uo ,but i cant stand being horrible at something (the worst cod2 plyr) lol!

Everybody's first instinct is to hold down the trigger....that is perhaps the worst thing you can possibly do in this game.

Take that into consideration next time you see somebody across the map

That is not my first instinct. I want to see where its was coming from. I posted before this guy, but if you did not see the post, look at this cheater here. There are guys with similar cheats that are not as easily caught.

http://www.hostingtrenz.com/cruz/Therman.zip

There aren't as many cheaters as people think. I have only come across a few since I started playing. I'm sure there are more, but most of them still suck even with the cheats.

some players cant take more damage than others. everyone takes the same amount of damage. the hitboxes are stupid and ive had shots on people with scoped rifles that dont kill in one shot. it happens.
bunny hopping is constantly jumping and moving faster as a result. you cant do this in CoD2. jumping once or twice in a up close fight isnt bunny hopping.
no one can move faster than other people. i have never heard of a "speed hack".

Maybe Druid can post the guy I caught recently with cham skins. The best thing about this guy is how poorly he was doing. Sure, he could see guys through obstacles, but that just had him shooting at solid objects and following guys through walls and what not. Yes, there are hacks out there, but so far in all my hours on COD2 I've only found the one so far. There have been quite a few people that I've had to spec for a long time, and quite frankly I've found some great players out there. It's been hard for me to accept, but I went from TDM in mohaa to CODUO BA, and now back to TDM. So there are COD2 guys out there that basically still know that maps, cuz they didn't change that much, and they've been playing TDM the whole time. So at first their skill seemed almost umbelievable to me. How could they be sooooo good? Well, it's cuz they've continued to play TDM while I switched up to BA. Quite frankly I'd challenge some of these guys that kick my ass in TDM to a round of BA and slaughter them. Cuz that's where all my wasted hours of life have gone, lol!

If you think because you dont see the cheats they are using then there is nothing more to say to you. Of coarse you have never heard of a certain cheat. These guys that write the cheats are not that stupid. If the cheats are given out to just anyone then it will spread like wildfire and then everyone knows about it and PB will be designed to catch it. Like my days in RA2. There was some cheats that guys had that I knew, but would not share them because it would waste their time that it took them to write the program.

Bottom line is there is cheaters that can even beat PB. Without PB running, its cheaters paradise. Bargod, Yes there is some great players out there and Hats off to them. But dont tell me that there is not allot of cheats out there. and 51Ja1son, if you think someone can live after a headshot in either COD or COD2 you are nuts. Like I said, it was not a moving target and his head was fully in my scope.

i realize there are people our there that write their own cheats. i know someone that is a CAL anti-cheat admin and shes never heard of people using "speed hacks" either. so you played with people that cheated? good for you.

PB only detects the hacks when it knows what they are. it doesnt look for anything abnormal in your cod files, it looks for those specific hacks that it knows about. at this moment, there are a lot of cheaters our there because there is no PB. but quite frankly most people that cheat still suck at cheating. unless its an aim bot, but even then ive seen a lot of people suck with that too. and yes, ive shot people in the head, and upper chest with a scope and not killed them. i know for a fact one of them was someone in 51 so i know its not cuz they "can take more damage". the hitboxes in this game are shitty.

Hohoho, just wait till you see my config jai

lawl

i thought yours just consisted of a bag of oranges

computers have a lot to do with this game too. my comp sucks and i often lag and just move slow 85% of the time. i cant use the m1 cuz i cant move quick enough. and watchin that aim bot is like watchin 51 guys haha, except they are for real

COD2 you won't kill anyone with a SINGLE shot to the head with these weapons; thompson, ppsh, pps42, and sten.


Don't believe me? Here are the ACTUAL damage tables from COD2.

DamageMax/Min MaxDamageRange/MinDamageRange fireTime
bar_mp 40/40 1500/2500 0.11
bren_mp 40/40 1500/2500 0.12
mp44_mp 40/40 1500/2500 0.12

greasegun_mp 45/10 1000/2000 0.12
thompson_mp 35/10 800/1500 0.0857
mp40_mp 45/10 1000/2000 0.12
pps42_mp 35/10 1000/2000 0.0857
ppsh_mp 35/20 1000/2000 0.067
sten_mp 35/10 1000/2000 0.1

shotgun_mp 50/5 (8 per blast) 384/800

m1carbine_mp 45/45 1500/2500
m1garand_mp 45/45 2000/3000
g43_mp 45/45 2000/3000
svt40_mp 45/45 2000/3000

enfield_mp 90/90 2000/3000
enfield_scope_mp 90/90 2000/3000
kar98k_mp 90/90 2000/3000
kar98k_sniper_mp 90/90 2000/3000
mosin_nagant_mp 90/90 2000/3000
mosin_nagant_sniper 90/90 2000/3000
springfield_mp 90/90 2000/3000

colt_mp 45/10 384/800
luger_mp 45/10 384/800
tt30_mp 45/10 384/800
webley_mp 45/10 384/800


And these are the DAMAGE multipliers


m1carbine, g43 and svt40
locNone\1\locHelmet\3\locHead\3\locNeck\2\locTorsoUpper\2\locTorsoLower\1\locRightArmUpper\

m1garand
locNone\1\locHelmet\3\locHead\3\locNeck\2\locTorsoUpper\2\locTorsoLower\2\locRightArmUpper\

bolts rifles
locNone\1\locHelmet\3\locHead\3\locNeck\1.5\locTorsoUpper\1.5\locTorsoLower\1.5\locRightArmUpper\

snipers
locNone\1\locHelmet\3\locHead\3\locNeck\1.5\locTorsoUpper\1.5\locTorsoLower\1.5\locRightArmUpper\


all smg's
locNone\1\locHelmet\3\locHead\3\locNeck\1.5\locTorsoUpper\1\locTorsoLower\1\locRightArmUpper\
**basically, one headshot kills from any gun except the thompson, ppsh, pps42, and sten. (35 x 3 = 105 which is less than 120)**

shotgun
locNone\1\locHelmet\1\locHead\1\locNeck\1\locTorsoUpper\1\locTorsoLower\1\locRightArmUpper\1\

all mg
locNone\1\locHelmet\3\locHead\3\locNeck\1.5\locTorsoUpper\1\locTorsoLower\1\locRightArmUpper\1\
pistols
locNone\1\locHelmet\2.5\locHead\2.5\locNeck\1.5\locTorsoUpper\1\locTorsoLower\1\locRightArmUpper\1\

actually, one head shot from those guns can kill a person. they all do more damage than a pistol, if not the same, and a pistol shot will kill people in one shot now.
they didnt in vcod

No headshot will kill anyone when you have a 13 FPS. Cuz you didn't hit them. That's my problem, tho. God bless my Geforce2GTS. At least I have fun dieing. Or not.
OK. At least that's why I enjoy killing people far better than me at a 1:8 ratio. Yeah, that's about right.

haha poor guy

Alright go back and read what I wrote. The weapons that I listed do 35 damage per shot MAXIMUM. Each player has 120 health. The mutiplier for head shots is 3. Now lets do some math(for those smgs
), 3 X 35 = 105 120-105=15= you are still alive.

its still possible for ANY weapon to kill someone with a single headshot.

Scarface is correct, any weapon with less than 40 damage can't kill in a single shot.
Be aware, many servers are using the powerserver mod or another one much like it.
Either one of these allow the admin to change the default weapon damage without the player knowing the weapon damamge settings have been changed.


For the cheating argument.
My opinion, take it or leave it is, the people who cry cheat are just as big of a problem as the actual cheaters, if not more.
I'll give you several examples of why I think this.
1) I'm originally from MOHAA. When mohaa 1st came out their were accusations flying all the time about aimbots. Fact is, there wasn't a working aimbot for mohaa until 3 maybe 4 months after the game's release.
That fact didn't stop anyone from crying about aimbots those 1st 3 or 4 months.
2) On the IW nation forum there is a topic talking about how many cheats have been downloaded for COD2.
The number was around 10,000. Everyone who wants to cry cheat because they got owned in a server use that number to claim there are 10,000 cheaters playing COD2. Guess what... Thats bullshit.
Look at it from a little bigger perspective.
A cheater isn't going to download 1 cheat and call it good, they are going to download them all to test them out. If you have 10,000 downloads, then split that between a dozen different cheat files. Your number is now under 850 cheaters downloading cheats. Guess what... thats still bullshit
You also have to include in that 10,000+ downloads, the number of times the cheat has been updated and downloaded again.
You also have to include the fact a certain percentage of people will download a cheat to see how it works & never use it during MP.
You also have to include how many people have downloaded every cheat to send to Activision/evenbalance so it will be included in PB when released. Also in that same number is the ones Evenbalance downloaded themselves when testing PB for it's COD2 release.
Cheating isn't near as rampant in COD2 as people try to make it out to be.
3) Then there is always the people who talk about the phantom\private cheats. During the time everyone was bitching about no PB in the game there was also the group of people talking about how PB doesn't do anything because it only blocks public cheats. This is true but most private cheats work the same way, it would have to be something completely new and yet unreleased otherwise PB would still likely block it.
PB goes beyond the simple md5 check of files.
For those why still want to ramble on about private cheats, I have this question.
Can YOU write a cheat to get by PB?
If the answer is no, then why the hell do you think everyone is doing just that.
I'm sure there is a limited number of people who write their own cheats that PB can't detect.
Just keep it in perspective, it's going to be such a minuscule number you will likely never run into them.

druid, you smart motherfucker

im still pretty sure ive killed someone with a single pistol shot to the head.

druid: hit me up on xfire too, theres an anti-cheat out. whenever i go to message you, youre afk

its eiher im complety drumk or i have the bigges head in the game. im tellikn yopui i only die from a head shot, whether it be a smg or a fuckin pistol everuyeath is a head shot. haha. i odnt know, i have almost as man rounds as everyone and i still aint good, but i still balacne my tim ewiht school and bball pracice, why aitn i good yet??? haha i dontk now, i blame mhy comp.

you may of very well killed somone with a single pistol shot to the head.
what you don't know is what happen to the guy before you shot him, it's likely he wasn't at full health.

Also...
Before anyone gets to excited about the anti-cheat jaison mentioned, it's not built in the game.
It requires every client to downlaod and install the ac. It's probably a decent AC program but without built-in support in the game, it won't work well in a public server. It's aimed more at match play.

well druid, so be it, what can youdo about public play right?

he was at full health... it was a team mate

im gunna test this out today.

Hey Scar,

If you look at my post I mentioned that I had him in my scope. I use the scoped Karosk. The problem was that He was there in the window looking out and I had him dead on. I seen the bullet hit him and take damage but he did not die. This is what makes me believe he was using some type of armor that decreases the damage to him from me or some type of extra health cheat. There is many possibliities, but I am sure he was cheating.

From what I understand a health hack would have to be server side, or at least that was the case in mohaa.

also, don't try to pistol bash someone unless they are taking a break already....3 hits, minimum.....like a satchel bash in Barb.



Lead



Ps. Yes Druid is very smart, but not the other thing.

pistol takes 2 bashes, and yes it can 1 shot to the head, i tested.

2 hits maximum
it can be done in one hit too