Thought I'd bring it up. If you guys haven't noticed... I'm all about three things. Photoshop, sports, and debates.

I'm all for diversity in any country, trying not to make this just about the US. But I do think that people migrating from one country to another should adapt to their new country. Not the other way around. When I moved to Canada, I had to learn to play hockey... j/k. Dry humor. Anyway, I don't have any issues with anyone coming into the US from South America if they legalize themselves and pay taxes. As it is now, South America's most inflating economic positive is all the money that is being sent from illegal immigrants that are in the US to their families back home.

These people live in the US while not learning English, not paying taxes, taking jobs from other US citizens, etc. They expect to live here with all the regular citizen rights. They put their kids in public schools, which our tax dollars pay for. Now schools are overcrowded everywhere and schools are having to split classes into two halves so the Spanish speaking students can be taught by Spanish speaking teachers. BS! Then when these kids graduate from school, they are complaining that they can't get scholarships into college beause they aren't legal. WTF?

I love their argument on how we’d be screwed if they left. Someone would need to do the menial work, I love how they say “who’d cut your grass if we were not here?” That seems to be one of the themes all of these protestors seem to go by. They are damning themselves right from the start. Instead of “We want the opportunities to make lots of $ by seizing the opportunities that the US offers by education and hard work!”…we get “who is going to do your menial labor?”

In contrast, look at the Asian community and what they have done here since the late 1800’s. Why the hell should we cut unskilled labor a break? Well that pretty obvious, cheap labor for corporations. That’s why this legislation going through government is a good thing. This country’s job industry is service oriented, and you need skills for many of the jobs that are available. Inviting more unskilled people into the country just makes more have and have nots.

Why should we support non-citizens? Another thing, how about people from Europe or Africa who are going through our naturalization process? It’s a slap in the face to them.

While the news will just show protests and the many people with their signs, let’s not forget these facts: 1) MS13 is a huge issue. Part of that legislation is designed to deal with them, and criminals in general; 2) Drug smuggling is also a big problem, it’s not just “honest people looking for honest work” as our liberal press would like us to believe; and 3) These people who cross the border could be afflicted with anything. I need to get shots to travel so I am not a health risk to anyone where I travel to, what checks are there for some diseased idiot getting Americans sick with some weird disease?

My plan -

Hold one month, let's say September 2006. From this month, anyone who is illegal can be legally naturalized in the US or atleast be given a green card. After that, if you are caught w/out a green card or you're illegal... you are shipped off to prison for 2 years outside of the US. Right now, there's not a good enough punishment when people are caught. They are sent home where they regroup and come back. That's not even a slap on the hand, c'mon people. So with my plan, we're being nice and allowing people to come here to help make this country a better place. After that, we shouldn't have a huge issue with this. Ofcourse people will still break the law, but I'm thinking if the punishment is severe enough, it won't be half as bad as it is now.

pez,

you need to get a bigger spoon to stir up all this great shit...

LOL

what is next (please be legalized prositituion or polgamy)

Pez ..you should come to the uk its full of albians,turks,hindos.arabs...in fact more illegals then british.

Last month 2 british jornolists took a car to france,1 got in the boot(trunk) then came back pretending to be illegals ,to see what they could get,They were given a house,money ,jobs and told to fill out a form to get a car if they can both drive..all this was from tax payers money.the govenment said that they were entitled to have £2000 (about$3500 ) for a Plasma Tv,PS2 or Xbox, dishwasher and other "so called essensals".

When they said that they were from a Natinol paper undercover ,they were arrested under the frauld act and given a warning.....How fucked up is that.

Imprisoning illegal immigrants doesn't help anything. There will still be a burden on society. The pusishment needs to be on anyone who hires illegals. This will be incredibly hard on certain industries.
Anyway, we shoulld do what Reagen did in the '80's and give them all amnesty and integrate them into society. Then impose strict pushiments for people hiring illegals.
And pray to God they don't stat the "guest worker" program. It has been nothing but a nightmare in Europe.

Tell them to either become a legal citizen, go back to Mexico, or get shot. If you want to live here, don't protest in the street with a fucking Mexican flag and Viva la Mexico on a sign. If we did that in Mexico, we'd be shot. America is full of pussies now. I'm tired of calling companies and being told to press one for Spanish and two for English. We're not even number one anymore.

hahahahaa.

People whine about USA this and that, but maybe that's why people from all the over try to get in the US, rather than sneak into Iran or wherever.... You can speak your mind and demonstrate without getting shot for protesting your viewpoints - no matter the wierdness [generally]!!! Long live the Lands of pussies and free thinking! I seriously doubt you'd want to eventually turn the USA into a place of kangaroo courts and summary executions .... once it starts, sooner or later your name gets on the list..... [French Revolution, Russian Revolution].

pezking


check out this thread Pez, I did the composite pic with Microsoft Digital Image Pro...........
http://www.mobclan.com/forums/upload/index...showtopic=10707

It won't matter what country your in once we have world government. Also no one will get paid enough to live.

What should really happen is, we should pull all our troops out of the middle east, Line em up across the border with mexico and tell em to move out and not stop until they have conquered All of central america, and South America. Just annex the countries there as states and be done with it. Then they would all be legal!! Just in case Canada gets frisky, we could put a few guys on bicycles with tazers and that should be enough to stop em.

tazers v.s. hockey sticks...

I am all for taking mexico over...

200 years ago, some geniuses had the same lofty idea of proposing to simply walk across the Canadian border to conquer it! .... do we have to do a number on you guys again!!!

If they are not legal US citizens (which I bet 2/3 of the protestors weren't) then they should not have the right to protest in our country about their rights. They should have had the INS show up and ship their asses back to Mexico, and tell them they'll get shot the next time they try to come over.

Ridiculous [?] protests is the sign of a healthy [?] democracy...... it makes all those brutal rulers in China, Africa, Arab nations, Talibanland cringe with envy that we don't need thugs with batons or secret police to suppress peaceful expressions of personal opinions. Anyways I don't mind your opinions >any acting out of shooting unarmed people however..... well, reminds me of how the taliban neanderthals used to go around beating up people to 'make' them go to pray... and not be permitted to shave.... and other nasty stuff.....

sorry but i have to add my opinion to pez original post and i probably wont get a big response but ....

i lived in california for a year and been in south florida for 12 years .i have seen the spanish population grow dramaticly in the last 4 years.a good friend of mine HAD to marry a family friend for citizenship because it was done for him his mother father and so on.. also they get green cards because this is the third largest gay community -gays marry spanish (lesbian too ) because it doesnt matter to them at all if their married but itll buy them a new [email="car!?@#$"]car!?@#$[/email]

i have to say it bothers me alot that i am an ahole because i do not speak spanish here,lol! and hitting the button for english or spanish def bothers me. i had to put together a toy the other day and there were more directions in spanish than english.needless to say,they can take florida for all i care because i am currently selling all our properties and moving to n.c. but all you northerners get ready becaues its heading your way! soon!

most people say whatever it wont bother me but theres little things they do different like for instance,xmas eve we like to have a nice dinner with family open 1 presnet around 11 and goto bed early for all the long next day .the spanish here like to light fireworks (REAL FIREWORKS) TILL 5AM . im moving somwhere else. you would have a different attitude if you lived here i think. they better tighten those borders up and if they dont like it BYE BYE!

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you regarding immigrants adapting to their new culture.... things like 'night life' parties that are common in their original habitat shouldn't be tolerated in their new neighbourhood - it's going to be up to Law enforcement to snuff out these violations before it gets out of control and the quiet folks flee the neighbourhood - like you wish to... and believe me, no-one gets away with making a noise in my living area- I have zero tolerance for that- so I can relate to you on that. Also my family waited in a line up to immigrate to Canada AND we were rejected the first try! In Canada you have to be in bad shape[with a sponsor or from a wrecked nation] or financially 'abundant' to get in somewhat swiftly. We were in the middle ground and from the UK which = looked over. So I personally know about being skipped over to immigrate.
My issue is the punitive extremeties being raised in the thread, bordering semi seriousness... almost like having no qualms with a turkey shoot on an open border. It all leads to violent scapegoating in my opinion... we see it throughout history and today... Look at Mozambique and euro-descended farmers getting oppressed, and geezus, even literally an African Hitler-loving movement in Liberia against the African Christians there. I'd like to think we're beyond the 'shoot invading illegals' on sight mentality - there are other ways of dealing with the problem.

I know it's bad in the south, Florida/Texas/SoCal... but did you know that Northern VA has the highest population of immigrants from El Salvador and some other smaller countries? It's insane and we have a huge issue. A lot of these people move up here and quickly form or join gangs, I'm sure most of you have heard of MS13 by this point. It's kind of scary when you see 50 guys walking down the street together holding machetes. The police? They don't do much.

Over the past years, this 7-11 near my old townhouse was over run with illegals waiting for a job. This wasn't like most 7-11's... it looked like a flea market out front. Basically I couldn't park there to get coffee in the morning. So the community, instead of bitching enough to get these guys arrested, built a community center a hundred feet behind the 7-11 for all the illegal immigrants to stay while they're waiting for a job. WTF?!?!?!

So my tax dollars went towards making it more comfortable for illegals. Now they don't have to stand out in the rain and the white collar class has successfully hidden the problem. We have our own militia group now that sits outside of the new center and takes pictures of the trucks that are picking up the illegals. I thought that was pretty cool. But now the illegals aren't heading to the center because the employers don't want to get busted... so back to 7-11s. Ugh.

Perhaps a few of yaz feel that I'm a real Libby, but when it comes to laying down safe law and order, call me judge Dredd. If I was running the show as a govt.official sent in to deal with crappola like you mentioned, and with any resources at my disposal, I'd have National Guard armoured cars on street corners of plagued areas and frequent dragnet sweeps of known gang hang-outs... and a permanent residency on a Devil's Island for habitually-crooked smirking gang members.

But then you'd have Hilary and the ACLU all over ya. Don't want to piss them off.

this is happening all over i guess and theres only one point i want to make,the irish! didnt the irish come over here in hoards and take jobs and basicly were treated like savages until the 50s when kennedy was presidant? its true,joe kennedy (the father) allthough a billionare couldnt attnd a country club because he was irish same as jews etc...the irish got their people into jobs such as police and firecheif and eventually politics and thats how we got a very good foot hold in this country!spanish are doing the same,down here hatians bitch about rights, blah ,blah ,blah ,but they dont have political help at all , theyr not getting it!



look im not against it at all! all i say is learn english and work towards a better life like all the other immigrants HAVE in this country.for those families that are thinking eventually everyone will speak both spanish and english,YOU WILL FALL BEHIND IN THIS COUNTRY-AND WORLD! there is a kid in china teaching himself to speak english so he can live a better life .

DID ANYONE GOTO NAR (nat assoc of realtors)WEBSITE AND CHECK THE PERCENTAGE OF SPANISH BUYERS TO WHITE/black/asian BUYERS of real estate yet,it will blow your mind!

I agree with you Undead, the Irish had a tough time when they immigrated to the US. But, they adapted to their new country and worked hard to give back to the system. Hence they were firemen, police officers, etc. They paid taxes and contributed to what our country is now. They were also coming through LEGALLY into the US. The illegal immigrants are coming in and reaping what they can from our government. They are not returning anything back to us. They come here, take jobs which don't give back... which is one reason I (33 yrs old) will never see social security in my retirement. You have 1/3 of the country working that doesn't pay taxes.

I'm all for people moving to the US, I'm not anti-South American or anything. I just want these people to contribute back to the country that is giving them so much.

The way I am, I'd do what I have to do to vapourise predator criminals, then accept losing my job... Any politicians pussy about not doing what it takes to see kids not fear playing in their neighbourhoods because of thugs who think they own the streets [ not to mention 'persuaded' into drug activity], I'd ship off to my version of Devil's island too.
--> if I had the power.....

VERY GOOD POINT PEZ! thats exactly what i mean -ADAPTING- my friends kid is in school thats mostly spanish nd the kids get pissed because they have to have lesson in english.i think that we are heading for tough times in the future,it really worries me!

my two cents on this topic is pretty simple: if you are going to live in this country, LEARN TO SPEAK THE FUCKING LANGUAGE. Too many immigrants (illegal ones) never ever try to learn the language; even worse, those who are naturalized still don't speak enough english to really be able to function in society. Its dumb having to have voting materials/DMV materials and work related materials in 2 or more languages, just because someone can't speak english.....Boo Fuckin Hoo....


Make that the requirement to stay; can't speak it fluently or be able to take a relatively simple test (like a drivers test) in English, put em on a boat and send em to North Korea.



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Well I'm already trying to learn Finnish Trying to get around with Finnish people, learn about politics, economics and general behavior of Finns... Geez I'd be a exelent immigrant. .... (hate my damn country)

And thats my whole grief! i hate seeing every label in english and spanish! i hate having to press 1 for english! sometimes now 2 ! i hate when im out with clients and they speak spanish not english (WHEN IM THE ONLY ONE WHO SPEAKS ENGLISH),not only is that shady but downright rude! seriously ,i dont need the commision that bad and i almost dropped this family off out in miramar because of it one day! in florida they have a test called the FCAT and this is why i wont be sending my son to school here. they make it easier and easier to pass and alot the kids that arent white fail it! floridas schools i think are in dead last -i could be wrong though!

korean,russian ,middle eastern and even an african will bust their ass to learn english if they have a shot at living and working in amarica,spanish dont think they have to ! I WILL SAY THIS AGAIN-IF THE SPANISH DO NOT LEARN GOOD ENGLISH THEY WILL FALL BEHIND IN THIS COUNTRY AND THE WORLD!

in 10 years itll be like watching true hollywood story! one other note to ponder though-whites are buying their lands in south amarica and mexico.costa rica is getting to be so amaricanized .imagine south amarica to the united staes all one country?wich i think is fine but will it be english or spanish thats the question!