Hey Guys,
This came up and reminded me of another thread going right now so I thought I'd bring it up. Is it a hack/lame/wrong to use exploits on the maps... i.e. getting somewhere the map maker didnt intend. Behind the map etc. What are your thoughts? Fair game or lame hack?
Junkie
Full Version: Exploits
We have a firm policy on this. Do it and you will be banned.
If you want to talk to someone about this policy, I would direct you to Cross of Iron. He has racked up more bans for play outside a map than anyone else in the clan. He delights in finding people who get outside the map.
We don't warn for this offense. We ban immediately.
If you want to talk to someone about this policy, I would direct you to Cross of Iron. He has racked up more bans for play outside a map than anyone else in the clan. He delights in finding people who get outside the map.
We don't warn for this offense. We ban immediately.
going outside of the map i understand, but having a high FPS that allows you to get up in certain places isn't exploiting. i know a few places on cassino/carentan/dawnville etc. where i can get up places people usually wouldn't (not like a nade jump or panzerfaust jumping...like people used to do on cassino..COUGH DDZ NOTHING COUGH...) but just knowing certain nooks and crannies has always been going on at cassino. of course, lots of people know all these places now so its not a rare occurence, or an unfair position. therefore, i don't consider them an exploit. usually you actually stand out more and have no cover, making it NOT an unfair advantage.
About 5 months back I was fooling around on a server with a few others. They showed me get to an area outside the map...it was really weird and took alot of work. Just wondering why it would be worth a ban if you have done nothing illegal to get there...meaning no cheats/hacks just alot of hard work?? The way I figure it...this one map...it was part of the game area as far as I was concerned...just had to work your way around to make it..cetain jump...anyways..I kind of forgot about it until now..just thought I would throw in some food for thought.
on certain maps,if ppl go out of bounds,there are holes in the map,so you have a clean shot into bases etc,and ppl cant get to you.so this is an unfair advantage.
So this is why we ban for it.
So this is why we ban for it.
If you ever hear someone complaining about a "wall hack" it is usually because someone has gone outside the map where they can shoot through everything. On some maps, it is possible to exploit holes in a map to position yourself outside of the map so you are shooting up from below the floor of a base. The person inside the base can't see you, so this is a completely unfair advantage and not part of the planned gaming environment.
Jumping to get into unique positions isn't a hack, it is just climbing, as long as you stay within the map boundaries.
Jumping to get into unique positions isn't a hack, it is just climbing, as long as you stay within the map boundaries.
100% agreed
There are also specific MG exploits that I know people discourage on maps like cassion. There are places you can set your an MG and shoot but it will appear that you are behind a short wall. I think that's fair if people honestly didn't know, and most players will say HEY move, that's an exploit!
As for going outside of the map. I was on a custom map and one of these punks was doing this. I derived great pleasure in finding my way outside of the map, hunting him down, and killing him. Obviously, there was no admin, so in that case, I find it justified. But otherwise, it's super gay
As for going outside of the map. I was on a custom map and one of these punks was doing this. I derived great pleasure in finding my way outside of the map, hunting him down, and killing him. Obviously, there was no admin, so in that case, I find it justified. But otherwise, it's super gay
Geno was this topic sparked because of pepper's "outburst" last night?
Just to let everyone know, drpepperman threw a hissy fit because gene wouldnt let him go out of the map on GOB_touzer (spelling?) last night and left vent.
Just to let everyone know, drpepperman threw a hissy fit because gene wouldnt let him go out of the map on GOB_touzer (spelling?) last night and left vent.
pepper threw a fit and left?! NO WAY
QUOTE(CommanderChoth @ 09/29/06 1:48pm) 
But otherwise, it's super gay
cosigned
Ghost that's exactly why it's posted.... just curious what others think... I have my own opinion and I'm sure you can guess what it is...
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I'm sure most COD2 players are aware of the Tozuer exploit, easy to do yes. I would consider it ok but there are walls that you can see through back there. You can't shoot through them but you can see through them. I told Pepper last night that if he exploited I would kick him. He started to whine then left. Looking for mikes input on the map... Is it a kick if we catch someone do it???
I agree 100% with that policy. I remember how easy it was to get under the map in Destroyed Village, and how many we banned for it.
I preface this by saying that I have never ever ever cheated, and hate the fuckers that do. And over the years have been responsible for sending Q3 cheaters to the master ban list at PB. The Q3 clan and the last cod clan I belonged to were diligent in identifying and on a regular basis sending cheaters to the master ban list, so this is where my limited knowledge comes from...
Quake 3, although the best game ever made
is the father of all that we see as good and evil! Based on the Q3 engine COD UO is just quake 3 in a low cut black dress with high heels 
, fishnet stockings, and lipstick. Infinity Ward did a great job, but its really just Quake3 only you can't jump as high and instead of a rail gun its a sniper rifle!
Extentions for binds were widely exposed by the engine and used and accepted in the community. Rocket jumps - combination of look down, shoot rocket, jump... strafe/jump "exploit" would be bound to key like the binds used to say "Took you long enough". PB and TWL really limit most of 'fun' stuff from Q3, and lock down the binds and settings you can use. It would be cool to be able to press a bind to switch to panzerfaust, shoot it, then switch back to your mp44, in an instant, but alas big brother pb doesn't think its a good idea... not realistic or something.
Field of View is another example. In Q3 you could change your field of view to any number (up to 359 degrees - eyes in the back of your head) I liked 110 myself, good peripheral and you could still see what you were shooting at. Any more and it became to hard to aim... UO - 90... You would be surpised how important the extra 20 degrees of FOV is!
Aimbot's were quite prevelent in the days up to the advent of PB. A bot would connect to the server and have like 200 kills and no deaths.
A server of 30 people would be destroyed and everyone would have to leave...Can't count the number of times that happened! PB was long overdue and saved online gaming in my opinion. The Q3 engine exposes the development tags to build the hacks, all you need is some knowledge and basic coding. In fact, the AI shipped had much of the code for the hacks. PB does a pretty good job of verifying 'stock' parameters but there is always some dilweed... 
Wallhack - they typically just provide information about enemy location. As if there are no 'walls' Just knowing location of the enemy can be a huge advantage. I haven't seen anyone able to shoot through the wall, just knowing someone is around the corner is the advantage. I have seen a number of variations through PB screenshots, and you can find them on the net. Some like wireframe hud, or some marker like a red dot over the enemies head... lots of em.
Exploits many - places you can shoot someone but can't be shot or you can see stuff you shouldn't be able to. Map exploits like going underneath the map etc. ie Hill at Kursk is a map exploit...
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Quake 3, although the best game ever made
is the father of all that we see as good and evil! Based on the Q3 engine COD UO is just quake 3 in a low cut black dress with high heels , fishnet stockings, and lipstick. Infinity Ward did a great job, but its really just Quake3 only you can't jump as high and instead of a rail gun its a sniper rifle! Extentions for binds were widely exposed by the engine and used and accepted in the community. Rocket jumps - combination of look down, shoot rocket, jump... strafe/jump "exploit" would be bound to key like the binds used to say "Took you long enough". PB and TWL really limit most of 'fun' stuff from Q3, and lock down the binds and settings you can use. It would be cool to be able to press a bind to switch to panzerfaust, shoot it, then switch back to your mp44, in an instant, but alas big brother pb doesn't think its a good idea... not realistic or something.
Field of View is another example. In Q3 you could change your field of view to any number (up to 359 degrees - eyes in the back of your head) I liked 110 myself, good peripheral and you could still see what you were shooting at. Any more and it became to hard to aim... UO - 90... You would be surpised how important the extra 20 degrees of FOV is!
Aimbot's were quite prevelent in the days up to the advent of PB. A bot would connect to the server and have like 200 kills and no deaths.
A server of 30 people would be destroyed and everyone would have to leave...Can't count the number of times that happened! PB was long overdue and saved online gaming in my opinion. The Q3 engine exposes the development tags to build the hacks, all you need is some knowledge and basic coding. In fact, the AI shipped had much of the code for the hacks. PB does a pretty good job of verifying 'stock' parameters but there is always some dilweed... Wallhack - they typically just provide information about enemy location. As if there are no 'walls' Just knowing location of the enemy can be a huge advantage. I haven't seen anyone able to shoot through the wall, just knowing someone is around the corner is the advantage. I have seen a number of variations through PB screenshots, and you can find them on the net. Some like wireframe hud, or some marker like a red dot over the enemies head... lots of em.
Exploits many - places you can shoot someone but can't be shot or you can see stuff you shouldn't be able to. Map exploits like going underneath the map etc. ie Hill at Kursk is a map exploit...
sh
... and that concludes this week's lecture.
Dr. some_help will return next week to deliver his most frequently requested lecture, "The Art of the Satchel Drop."
Thank you and good night.
Dr. some_help will return next week to deliver his most frequently requested lecture, "The Art of the Satchel Drop."
Thank you and good night.
Damn him no wonder he was able to perfect the 2 shot kill on the german tanks so quickly. All I have to say is I am glad he is on our side.
i can do that with the zook ,mp44 with my mouse.soon as i fire the zook it goes back to main weapon,is this an exploit?
QUOTE(HammaTime @ 10/05/06 4:44pm)
... and that concludes this week's lecture.
Dr. some_help will return next week to deliver his most frequently requested lecture, "The Art of the Satchel Drop."
Thank you and good night.
Dr. some_help will return next week to deliver his most frequently requested lecture, "The Art of the Satchel Drop."
Thank you and good night.
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