Barbarossa 5-4-2007 3pm pst



I witnessed ssgtfazz2111 exploiting the R3 minefield by driving a jeep numerous times into the minefield successfully but killing himself on the way out. Several Russian players were watching him. I saw no MOB on at the time so I warned him 3 times to no avail. I gave him a final warning before I went to kick. To my surprise the kick did not take. I checked pb_power and lo and behold there was someone with 100 points. It was " ". The happy face smurfer. I typed in several times asking for admin help. No response.

What's the point of having an admin in the game that chooses to be anonymous? I can't admin if someone else has more points and yet I got to enjoy only a couple of minutes of gameplay because I spent the rest of the time taking screenshots and trying to communicate with a REAL admin.

I don't mind taking on admin responsibilities (I figure it's a part of being in MOB), but this time my efforts were completely wasted and so was my game time.

Now that's what I call fun, folks.



-Pain

Unfortunate to say the least. If someone has the points and doesn't have any intention of using them, perhaps they don't need them!

wonder why the kick didnt take?

I agree. I was there myself. After the incident with Sgtfazz, there was this other idiot that kept hiding our own vehicles and tanks in the minefields, I warned him not to and he called me an idiot. I also warned him several times and went to kick, but could not. There was a player in there named ABoy! and he had 100 points. I asked several times who he was, but he did not answer. He did by the way complain to me for paking G3, lol. I told him we needed help to kick, and he finally assisted.

I really dont like the idea of Admins smurfing. It seems as if it happens allot lately. If someone is warned then kicked by a name other than MOB, how does that look?

This is an educated guess but I think that may have been shadow. Aboy anyway. Dunno about : ) that could be another of his names. He has quite an assortment of names so that could be one as well. I could be wrong about it being Shadow as well...

Junkie

: ) isn't Shadow. But yes, it is a MOB.

I agree with Nothing that a non-MOB kicking someone doesn't look right - not to mention that we might have to explain why apparent non-MOB folks have admin rights. It seems inappropriate to me. So, I'd suggest either...

1- our Admins carry MOB tags consistantly, or

2 - if its to "anonmously patrol the servers", then we should include that in our FAQ and automated server messages to get the "best bang for our buck" (prevent crime rather than just respond to it).

100 power points trump 30 points. The person with 100 points automatically becomes the Lead Admin, whether said person wants it or not, thereby neutering anyone with fewer points.



-Pain

first off ,it wasn't me-hehe. second wheres the screenshots guys? first you warn and you take the screenies, while you warn you get his guid ,this way if the kick doesn't take place you have evidence-if the kick does take place you post it here as to who how and why AS EVIDENCE . this is how your supposed to handle these things.this is why things got out of hand.its supposed to be posted so if the person kicked/banned has a problem with it they can take it up in forums.

normally on stocks a player caught out out of bounds is warned to get in bounds if he doesn't listen or its not his first time - kick , post and a ban could be warranted . if your having a problem with someone there is always someone on vent or in forums ,I've been pmd from xfire before to spec someone.

as for srgtfrzz ,whats his deal? hes played there problem free for a long time. why is every one doing this out of bounds thing? the other night i witnessed "Heinz" doing it but had no clue he was trying to do that,just thought he was slow.

It aint me... i only have 15, but i do know who it is...

I do have screenshots, however since sgtfazz wasn't kicked by me or anyone else, I did not post them. My post wasn't about sgtfazz but the topic at hand.



-Pain

Before sgtfazz211 did that out of bound trick, he said "Hi" to Majorhavoc and then "It´s Anthony" I mean, wasn´t it Majorhavoc or some1 else, that told that sgtfazz is his cousin or nephew or something like that, long time ago. Could it be that old case, that someone else was playing on his PC? (Yeah right ... you say) Sgtfazz is a looong time player on Barb and has previously been 99,99999 % problem free, why all the sudden he would start to screw around? Bad dress day??? I have witnessed that minefield trick on our Barb server earlier and it was done by a person closely related to MOB. So we should take care, that nobody of us or our close ones does it on Barb, atleast not on public server. It may encourage others to do so too because they see it´s possible. now I said it.....

There was a time when problems like this got fixed by a great guy. I miss that guy.

Before accusing anyone you should get GUID's and what not. Screen shots and demos are a good start. Note the time so that when you contact Mike he has an easier time looking in the logs to find people.

Just saying...

This issue will no longer be a problem.

Old Man Mike

It was me playing under my . Sorry but i didn't see you ask me to kick someone. I use name on other server yesterday, and forgot to change it again. I know there was more 100 power player in the game to.

You ask me if i was on Vent, and i say no. That becouse my child was not sleeping yet.

Take Screen next time

this is the way it always was before. i dont care whos cousin he is either ,if you go out of bounds you should be kicked.

for instance-
http://www.mobclan.com/forums/upload/index...showtopic=12221

sgtfazz211 is Havoc's brother. They both have been playing on Barb forever. I really hope that fazz isn't banned!

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...eh. I see it's an open forum thread(?!), so I guess both fazz and Havoc can tell us what was going on.

Sgtfazz shouldnt be banned (this is one single instance over a long period of time), but he should definitely have been kicked.

For the most part, I dont think MOB and MOB Regs should be smurfing on MOB servers anyway - whether they have admin priviliges or not.

Geez guys is there an epidemic of attention deficit disorder going around? This is not about sgtfazz! Of course he should NOT be banned. No one is asking for that. Stuff happens. Once again, for effect...NOT ABOUT sgtfazzz.

This is about a 100 point MOB member smurfing and not taking up the admin responsibilities, period. Sorry Rommel, but you were the only 100 pointer on at the time. 6 Pak came in after the incident with sgtfazz was long over.

Thanks, Mike, for whatever you did to avoid this in the future. Way to much maintenance to solve a simple problem. Simple solution boys and girls and I'm sure all will agree...



Pay attention to the game if you have admin powers. We all want to play and have fun but let's not get so involved in the game that we forget to maintain that high level of fun for everyone.

Nuff said!



-Pain

Happy Saturday Everybody!

Absolutely! *sniff, *sniff. Tissue anyone?

What he said.



-Pain

Public forum post?

Oh boy, looks like a few pints while firing up the barbeque tonight, maybe cut the grass, and do an errand or two... great saturday... and yourselves?

Again, this will no longer be a problem. I've taken all MOB members down to 99 points but kept all kick, ban, etc. powers. The only difference will be that Regs can kick/vote kick someone even a MOB member is in the game.

There is no rule that says MOB members (or Regs) cannot smurf and there may even be times that it is necessary to catch inappropriate behavior. However, my personal feeling is that they should be worn proudly all the time.

Old Man Mike

Excellent Mike!

Thanks for clearing it up. When you said originally "this has been fixed" I think many were thinking perhaps you banned sgtfazz, and no one on Barb wants that.

The minefield trick, while a kickable offence I certainly think is not bannable because it is not like other "out of bounds" tricks where you're under the map and and kill people from a place they can't see you. In the minefiels you still are prefectly visible and killable, so I think some people not not consider it a cheat, it is more of a challenge to get in it alive than anything! LOL! So, warn, then kick, don't ban.

As Pain says those, this is about smurfers. Personally, I don't get it. And some people NEVER wear their tags. Are you really still a clan member if you never wear your tags on your own servers?

TEAM STACKING!!!!

RAHHH!!!!!

um. what else. um. UNDEAD SMELLS.

thought i smelled something! Buddy....step away from the comp and shower once in a while will ya! for the sake of Pete!

Thnx for the explanation Mike! Nicely done! As always!

PS: I'm a little ripe myself at the moment...

As Pain says those, this is about smurfers. Personally, I don't get it. And some people NEVER wear their tags. Are you really still a clan member if you never wear your tags on your own servers?



Man, I agree. Wheter it's Gumdropkid or Master of pancakes......I don't see the point at all. Still very popular behaviour among MOB'sters

ill be honest , the last few weeks i wore my tags it almost seemed people went out of their way to screw with me or the game. since ,ive warned one guy ....one. i have no problem representing our clan and when i play else where i put the tags on,im just enjoying my self a bit. my 2 cents.i think some people are afraid to kick someone because all the people watching. i can say if i was to kick someone the tags would come on prior to the kick and i would follow the simple steps i posted earlier in this post, screenies,guid last warning-kick ,then post in forums. i just took a shower flat .

I'm glad everyone is clean smellin' cause it IS Saturday night.



-Pain

I'm very proud of my tags, but sometimes I can't resist being "Chicken Fried Steak!!!!"

And lately I also like "Shredasaurus"

Once again, a good job Mike. You are the straw that stirs the drink!

I LOVE to smurf. It is an addiction I am seeking professional help for. I do it more to mess with our own guys on vent. It is funny to be JoeyJoeJoeShabazzShabadoo or AlKapwn once and a while. I feel like Clark Kent.





SURE you did..!.. a Golden shower!!! hahaha pwnt!

I agree.There is no reason for smurfing at all.If you are ashamed of wearing the tags then you should leave the family.It is an honor to me.I too have wasted time in watching smurfers.

What does Smurf means????

Shadow--> sent you a PM:)

I quite enjoy 'smurfing', its fun, and you can use new names as I am kinda tired of my old MOB name, and one bonus is players don't know ya. You can really play 'hard' and worry less about score and more about the objectives. I'm not sure why but I play better under an alias. Probably for a whole bunch of reasons relating to group behavior and conforming. I dunno.

The tags for me isn't defining the belonging or what MOB is about. And I can do with or without em actually. The affiliation isn't the fact that I have {MOB} in front of my name, although I can understand if some feel strongly about it... so be it, you should its something to be proud of.

I guess I am the kinda guy that would go to the Bears game and just wear a sweater, not my the full Bears jersey with painted face. I'm still a fan though.

So to each their own. A little live and let live may be a good perspective to have related to this.

Hehe. Oh, a question, do you know what the phrase "all the time" means? Perhaps something has been lost in traslation.

The main problem with smurfing is that if you are getting wow shots and what not, it takes time for people to watch these individuals.Also MOB has built a reputation that people know we do our best to keep a clean game going and seeing MOB in the server makes them feel they are not being cheated.At least thats the way it used to be.I have no clue how u guys are on UO.If u want to use other names fine, but at least if there is a problem let it be know who u are and if u need to kick be sure to show your tags when doing so.Should help this out. Just an idea and an opinion.AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT

What are you talking about?

I think what he's saying is, whenever someone good comes in that people don't know and are playing real well, some people just assume he's hacking and have to spec them. I don't know why some people have to spec everyone that comes in that's good, but if they want to spend their time doing that, more power to them.

Smurfing?
Is that some kind of new word for call of duty?
Or is it a group of Smurfs dancing in a dico club?

pb_power!!! end of confusion. you want to go under cover once in a while, power to ya! People here that are wearing tags are obviously proud to be part of MOB, or they wouldn't be here. Each to his own....smurf...don't smurf...worry less, play more! Just remember that if a problem does arrise and you are a representative/admin, you carry the responsibility to rectify the problem, whether your wearing your tags or not!



The most important criteria is that you respect all other members of {MOB} as well as the gaming community while you wear the {MOB} tag; whether in our server or another server. We hold respect, good sportsmanship and the gamers right to have fun above all else.

The only problem anyone had with smurfing was when no-one knew you were in the game and when someone needed to be kicked, and their kicking abilities were not working. That is where the problem was. Now since OMM has fixed that, I dont believe anyone should have a problem with smurfing.