Simbumgowa
06/09/07 9:25am
I did not want to bring this up but I think it needs said
I thought this clan was all about being a good team mate and helping others !! ??
And if this gets me ban or kicked so be it but (STEEL YOUR ATTITUDE SUCKS )
First of all let me say I play MWCM all the time and this server is one of the best out there and made me
want to join MOB in the first place.
But just because you are running this server steel dos not make you the see all, be all, I am all !!
I was playing last nite and said Hi and you said ( Ya I see ya ) and thats it if you don't like me thats fine
but when other players ask a question or make a suggestion that you don't like you don't have to
get all pissy and say I'm out of here !!!! and leave.
This does not show US ( MOB & MOB REGS ) in a good Light to others Or even being a good gamer for
that matter !! If I had treated people like this growing up my dad would have kicked my ASS !!
Changing the IP with out telling everyone for a week or two before doing it ran alot of players off
and changing the spawn protection and voting on maps without talking to anyone first is just wrong !!
I thought all of the MOB CLAN had a say in how the servers run ?? here. let us ALL Vote on what should
be done !! and when. !!
Anyway enuff of my opinion what do all of you think ????
PS I think you do a good job Steel running this server and I'll give credit were credit is do but
change your attitude were all here for each other at lest thats what I thought ????
just my opinion and You know what thay say opinions are like assholes we all have one and thay all stink !!
Thanks Sim
Crystarion
06/09/07 9:49am
Well I'm not one for doing too much posting, and being a new member I prefer to look and watch to get a feel for attitudes, but I have to admit alot of what Simbumgowa has said is correct. I was not happy with the way the server switch was handled at all. I felt that at least a 2 week notice should've been posted before the switch was made, allowing people to be aware of what was going to happen. I'm still not sure why we had to up the limit to 64 on that also, when the last posts I had seen were asking for a mere 10 slot expansion.
Also I logged in late last night and now we have map voting? and the new map comes up before the old map finishes, whats that about? I dont recall seeing any discussion about adding that and spawn protection?
I'm all for making changes to improve the server or adding to it in order to change things up a bit to keep it "fresh" but when major changes like this are made that drives folks from the server I have to wonder whats going on.
Crystarion
I started Modern Weapons Custom Maps in 2005. Wrote the weapons mod, which is now up to version 6, and etc. In Oct 2006, I gave the server to {MOB} and stayed on at Mike's request to run it and do the morning restart to clear memory, and run the weekly player stats and post them for mwcm.
First, I was not talking to you when I screen-typed, "Yeah, I see ya" -- there was a guy stuck in the map and he asked me to spec him and see where the map glitch was before he went into spec and freed himself. I apologize if you thought I typed that to you and felt slighted.
Second, to get more slots, I had to move the server to inside the {MOB} box. That meant an IP change. The old server stayed up, with running messages in five languages on how to find the new server. I posted the new IP here in the forums. The front of the webpage reflects the new IP in the game-monitor. The new IP is also shown on the front page of the player stats. I apologize that you were unable to locate it.
I put in a ton of new maps yesterday because they were requested. Yet no matter what maps I put in or take out, I get bitched at and pm'd and emailed, non-stop. I also got the same bitching and hate-mail over no spawn protection. So, I wrote in map-voting and spawn protection into the mod. Sorry it offended you.
I have been pulled into Vent to help people with their game, only to get screamed and yelled at because the person is frustrated that they can't figure something out. I've persevered until I got them going correctly. In my book, that should have meant something.
I put up other new servers. And I rewrote the code for these webpages to fix things and add new features.
Slowly over time, I've come to understand more of the pain that Druid felt being admin here. Theres no respect for the very hard work and time black-hole it takes here to do the behind-the-scenes work.
I hereby quit {MOB}, effective immediately. Mike can run mwcm from now on, reset it daily, run the player stats and post them, and help you not be offended anymore.
Mike, please remove my login here and access to the server box. I won't be answering any emails, pms or anything else, so don't bother. Thanks for everything Mike.
P.S. Crystarion and Simbumgawa.. when you two showed up with the same IP so it was going to mess you up in the player stats and etc., it was me that fixed that for you as well. You're welcome.
Old Man Mike
06/09/07 11:57am
QUOTE(steel @ 06/09/07 12:45pm)

Mike, please remove my login here and access to the server box.
The only thing I am going to remove is Simbumgowa.
Old Man Mike
MyWifesMule
06/09/07 12:08pm
Uh oh, I hope the wheels ain't falling off.
THE Mechanic
06/09/07 12:12pm
Steel ,Please reconsider...Please Don't Leave Us..
"T.M."
UNDEAD 1
06/09/07 12:27pm
hold on people! lets not argue . steel has been on all week at night asking people for feedback and has made changes , i think alot of players of mwcm believe mob is responsible for the changes but really its the people who play there. steel has been busting her butt trying to get this server back to the population it was prior to the PROBLEM with the previous ip . i dont think we should remove regs and i dont think steel should quit (please dont!!!!) i think that these guys should jump on vent.
seriously guys wtf
Major.Pain
06/09/07 12:35pm
Steel, I'm not sure how many members there are in MOB including Regs, I'm going to guess well over a hundred. Please don't let the 5 percent influence your decision. The 95 percent are on your side. That still gives you the lion's share and should be all that matters. The 95 percent DO appreciate your efforts.
Please reconsider?
-Pain
THE Mechanic
06/09/07 12:50pm
QUOTE(Major.Pain @ 06/09/07 1:35pm)

Steel, I'm not sure how many members there are in MOB including Regs, I'm going to guess well over a hundred. Please don't let the 5 percent influence your decision. The 95 percent are on your side. That still gives you the lion's share and should be all that matters. The 95 percent DO appreciate your efforts.
Please reconsider?
-Pain
I could not have said it better myself Pain !! You are absolutly Correct !! This bickering needs to come to stop or we'll all lose in the end.. "T.M."
Here we go........
As far as I understand it the only people that can be truely be calling themselves {MOB}Clan members are {MOB} and {MOB}Regs tag wearing players, the rest are people who frequently play on our servers and visitors to our servers. Steel has been doing nothing short of working the ass off to keep everything running well and smooth and when visitors or frequentors to {MOB}Clan servers start yakkin' about how things are done or run here then it shows that they have no friggin' clue what it takes to keep things moving here.
Everyone needs to take a friggin' huge chill pill when they go online to play, this is not your house, you just play here.........you don't shit in another man's pool and then say that he doesn't clean it well enough.
Steel......ignore nitwits you are doing a great job, whatever you do here you do for a reason and you do it by the book, we all know you like that. Don't leave.........
To all our visitors and frequent players....... I would advise that you look before you leap, whatch what you say, if you don't have proof to back up your words then don't say anything at all. This is not real life were you can see whats going on as it happens all the time.
When you enter a minefield know where to step, just one wrong step and then you can't undo it !!!!
Respect people respect, lead by example.
Overheated
06/09/07 1:37pm
i would add this in respond to your post Goose....
"the only people who can call themselves {MOB} clan members" are - only {MOB} clan members. it's their house. the {Regs} from my understanding are simply players who show a desire for possible {MOB} consideration. we ({Regs}) are here with the {Regs} title by invite as we are regular players on the server but we are not {MOB}. we can contribute, partake in, and enjoy the community but it ends there.
Also, Simbumgowa and Crystarion were/are {Regs} Goose. He was not just someone posting out of the blue. They felt/feel the way they do speaking as such - Regs
i fully agree that people should look before they leap especially when they are contemplating making a post that might very well offend the established hierarchy.
make no mistake... this in-fighting, weekly drama, and other like nonsense will have detrimental effects on this clan as a whole. i for one feel as though things are on tenuous grounds currently and am concerned about the future as my interest in this clan has grown over my time as a recruit and then {Reg}.
if this occurrence this morning truly is the end of {MOB}Steele it would certainly be a large loss in a ongoing parade. Steel’s server is by far and away the most popular {MOB} server. She deserves all the respect and accolades that go with that. This is an unfortunate state of affairs.
-Overheated
Steel,
I don't know you or really any of the admins peronally, but I do hope you reconsider.
The huge amount of work that happens behind the scenes may go un-noticed by a large number of us,
but I believe it is Greatly appreciated by the majority of us.
I personally really appreciate all of the work that you, Old Man Mike, Bargod, Ktulu, and Druid have done for all of us so we could play this GAME[i]
You and probably people I will never know have created a place for me to come unwind, have fun and meet a lot of great people. Please don't throw it all away over a few inconsiderate people.
Sorry it took something like this for me to say THANK YOU
Blitz
STEEL YOU BETTER STAY!!!
I like playing with you on mwcm and you run the server well and take into account requests and the such, you shouldn't have to worry about riff raff like this plz stay and let us handle "THIS"
My bad Overheated, but you know what I mean in the larger sense of things going on here, no offense to Crystarion.
Mike you banned both those bitches right?
I don't think MOB should ban members for expressing their opinions.
In this case, Simbumgowa expressed some disappointment with Steel and the way the MWCM server is run. Not everything he said was negative. He also stated "I play MWCM all the time and this server is one of the best out there and made me want to join MOB in the first place" and "PS I think you do a good job Steel running this server".
Steel provided some background which hardly any of us are aware of (unless you're an Admin) and corrected him on all his points. I would think that (if he had not been banned so quickly) Simbumgowa may have posted an apology. I think Simbumgowa was not tactful, Steel overreacted, and we banned a REGS member too quickly.
This is the MOB Community, we should all try to work together. Maybe their should be a process (full MOB member Committee) to decide on server modifications and bans - this would take the heat off of an individual. Maybe that's too democratic.
Old Man Mike
06/09/07 2:53pm
QUOTE(Clancey @ 06/09/07 3:36pm)

In this case, Simbumgowa expressed some disappointment with Steel
Some disappointment? Telling her that she "SUCKS" is too much disrespect to ignore. This person was a new Reg and has just demonstrated too much immaturity and disrespect for this Clan. The Ban will stay.
Old Man Mike
Crazy Canuck
06/09/07 3:28pm
QUOTE(Old Man Mike @ 06/09/07 1:53pm)

QUOTE(Clancey @ 06/09/07 3:36pm)

In this case, Simbumgowa expressed some disappointment with Steel
Some disappointment? Telling her that she "SUCKS" is too much disrespect to ignore. This person was a new Reg and has just demonstrated too much immaturity and disrespect for this Clan. The Ban will stay.
Old Man Mike if anybody else has any opinions or concerns regarding anything to do with MOB, I suggest you tuck it away and slink on!
Steele,
2 people shared their opinion on the way the server is run. It's quite obvious they don't know what their talking about. Your server is ranked number 1.....you must be doing something right! These are two people with obviously no idea the time and effort you put in to keep things at tip top shape. like others have said, don't walk away because of the ignorant 5%. MWCM is your baby and 95% of us recognise your dedication and time put in making it the attraction it is today, not to mention all the other endevours you assist in administrating here on a daily basis. For that we are all greatful!
Crystarion
06/09/07 3:59pm
First off, Simbumgowa was not saying that Steel wasn't doing a good job because she is/was. The problem was that she has been making changes arbitrarily without even posting on the website to see if any other MEMBERS wanted those particular changes. Simbumgowa was not attacking Steel per sey, but frankly her attitude has come across as fairly caustic at times, she comes across sometimes as taking everything said as a personal attack. I noticed this from our very first posting to join the Clan, by her calling me liar about our IP address's, which quite frankly I didnt appreciate at all. Even after Old Man Mike pointed out the address's WERE different, no apologies were forth comming. Any work that was needed to seperate his stats from mine was never mentioned to me.
I've been a member of various guilds in different games such as Everquest, Vanguard, LoTR and others so I know that there will be times when guild members rub each other the wrong way, folks having a bad day, kid's cryin, boss being a prick, ect. But in every guild, a member was allowed to get on the forums and vent their frustration, which would hopefully lead to a discussion and then to a solutition. I have gotten to know a few guild admins quite well and everyone of them has said that being an admin, lead to their loss of interest in playing that particular game. If only because there are those people who, because the Net is anonymous, feel they can be as nasty as they want to be without any real risk to themselves and are willing to act like a$$holes. After all the idea behind playing a game is to be able to kickback, relax and enjoy yourself, which is hard to do when you got all kinds of people bitchin and complaining at you the minute you login. I've been a guild officer myself and have experienced firsthand the complaints, out & out bitchin and whining from guild members or from other people contacting our guild about the actions of a member. Its not fun at all and I have been in guilds that have collapsed due to an over abundance of these actions, because the leadership got tired of dealing with it day in and day out.
But this is the first time I have ever seen a member kicked out of a guild for voicing his/her opinion, especially before being allowed any kind of rebuttal. Its not as if Sim had gone on some wild rant and was way out of bounds with his comments. Again if you reread the post there was NO personal attack intended. When he tried to login to check his thread and couldn't, Sim contacted me and told me that you not only kicked him out of the Clan but that you've gone so far as to ban him from the servers as well? I have to say that this is VERY disturbing to me, if only because I don't see where his post was so out of line as to merit that kind of draconic action against him.
It's bad enough that Steel refused to even create a dialog over this thread but just up and quit, rather then rationaly attempt to work through this problem and try to come to a workable solutition. As far as I know, Simbumgowa was not trying to rip into Steel or the Clan in a vicious manner, just the opposite, he was only trying to point out actions that he felt were detrimental to the server. As I was not logged in at the time I have no reference to the incident Sim/Steel mentioned concerning what was said in game so I wont go into that. What I dont understand from reading the replies is the hostility towards Simbumgowa, its not as if what he wrote was a cruel, vicious attack against Steel, but he obviously felt hurt by what had happened and was expressing his feelings. Is that not allowed here?
After seeing Steel's post regarding the ingame dialog, if she had simply wrote the meaning of her ingame reply and moved on I wouldn't have wasted the last hour or so writing this post. But instead she went off on a tangent how she'd done this and that and COMPLETELY missed the point. Sim was not complaining about the work she was doing on the server merely HOW she was going about it, which I too was trying to point out in my post as well.
As I mentioned before, I've been in a management position both in game and in real life and I know just how impossible and frustrating it is to try and make everyone happy.
Having said that, I would hope after spending a little time cooling off and reflecting over the past few weeks, that Steel will realize that shes very much a valued member but that shes been under a lot of stress(?) and maybe just needs a little time to decompress. Hopefully after doing so, she'll realize that while we may not understand just what all she does behind the scenes, and therefore are unable to acknowledge just how much work she does. That at least she'll come to understand that it wasnt the work she was doing that aggravated some of us. Merely that WE as clan members were not allowed to give our input to her ideas before substantial changes were made that had such a dramatic impact on the server we love to play so much.
If you feel my posts here merits banning me from Clan and servers also, well thats up to you. One of the reasons I wanted to join MOB Regs was the sense of community and family I felt while playing MWCM, if this is no longer the case and members are not going to be allowed to voice their concerns and opinions then you might as well cancel my membership as well.
I thank you for all the fun and hope the fun continues for you all
Crystarion
P.S. Since Old man Mike has already dropped Simbumgowa from the forums & servers (permanently?), Sim has asked me to say goodbye for him to T/A6pak, Undead, Pablodiablo, RacerX, Overheated, Goose, Little 'ol man and the rest of the Clan who accepted him and played along with him on the various servers. Once again he wants people to know that at NO time was his post ment to be constured as an attack against Steel personally. That in fact he has nothing but respect and appreciation for the hard work she does which is why he made the donatation when he did in order to help her cover the cost of adding slots to the MWCM server before she moved it and even hopes that she'd reconsider her stance on quiting. But after my reading to him the replys to his post, he is very disappointed at the hostil reaction of people over his attempt to simply voice his concern over the actions of another Clan member, not to mention having been banned for simply posting his viewpoint in a Member only section of the Clan forum he is/was a member of.
Genocide Junkie
06/09/07 5:13pm
QUOTE(Crazy Canuck @ 06/09/07 3:28pm)

QUOTE(Old Man Mike @ 06/09/07 1:53pm)

QUOTE(Clancey @ 06/09/07 3:36pm)

In this case, Simbumgowa expressed some disappointment with Steel
Some disappointment? Telling her that she "SUCKS" is too much disrespect to ignore. This person was a new Reg and has just demonstrated too much immaturity and disrespect for this Clan. The Ban will stay.
Old Man Mike if anybody else has any opinions or concerns regarding anything to do with MOB, I suggest you tuck it away and slink on!
Steele,
2 people shared their opinion on the way the server is run. It's quite obvious they don't know what their talking about. Your server is ranked number 1.....you must be doing something right! These are two people with obviously no idea the time and effort you put in to keep things at tip top shape. like others have said, don't walk away because of the ignorant 5%. MWCM is your baby and 95% of us recognise your dedication and time put in making it the attraction it is today, not to mention all the other endevours you assist in administrating here on a daily basis. For that we are all greatful!
I don't think the issue is with voicing an opinion. It's with the way some people choose to do it. Openly telling a full MOB member they suck in open forums is not acceptable behavior from anyone. To direct it at yet another person who pours themselves into our servers is again poor judgement. Soon we'll be placing ads in the want ads for an admin because we can't pose a question to them without belittleing them. Perhaps when we learn to do that THEY will quit slinking away.
Crysterion, there have been issues that lead up to this that you nor sim were probably aware of. Through no fault of your own what might have been a smaller issue has become magnified by the sum of others as well. I think after a cool off everyone (hopefully) can work things out.
Crystarion
06/09/07 5:52pm
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I don't think the issue is with voicing an opinion. It's with the way some people choose to do it. Openly telling a full MOB member they suck in open forums is not acceptable behavior from anyone. [/quote]
No offence but once again he did not say she "sucked" and he did not post it in the open forum.
What he said was that her "attitude" was, well you know, and he posted in the member only section so as not to let it out in open forums. Had he been given a chance most likely he would have appolgised for the strong language. One other thing you might want to know, Tim is a blunt straight forward kind of person, as you may have noticed, also being a member here was his first experience in being a part of an online communitiy. So if he was a little rough around edges well none of us are perfect and theres a learning curve to every life experience.
Could he have handlled it better? Perhaps, at least he could have used a little more tact, but frankly I dont want to see anyone who hasn't gamed with him or talked to him on Vent post anything negitive that they dont have first hand knowledge of. Just ask the regular MWCM players and they will tell you that Sim was as fun loving and good hearted person to play with as you'd like to see in game.
Crystarion
Shred and Burn
06/09/07 6:23pm
I've played with Sim and heard him on vent, never had a problem with him.
Obviously, it's not a good thing to tell a senior MOB member (who is an admin) that her attitude sucks in a forum.
There is no way to justify that.
Send a pm and resolve it for crying out loud. I certainly don't want to know about it.
We are lucky to have the admins that we do. And I am not going to stand for people criticizing them when they are doing work that they don't have to do in the first place.
I am tired of the personal attack crap that has been going on in the forums lately.
Everybody just chill out, have a frosty, get a snack and have fun gaming. We are all friends here.
Major.Pain
06/09/07 6:39pm
What he said!
-Pain
MyWifesMule
06/09/07 7:34pm
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"I don't think MOB should ban members for expressing their opinions."
Clancey, I believe you about summed it up.
If I remember correctly, this is still a free society, where someone can voice their opinions in an open forum, right or wrong. Or am I mistaken??
Its true, i'm only a "Reg", a second class citizen, a bottom feeded, who along with my fellow Reg brethren are not worthy to be "FULL" members of a clan, but who pay for a large part of the servers and, if my math is correct, outnumber "full" MOB 5 to 1.
I've been around long enough in this crazy world to know when to talk and when to listen. I guess its time for me say something of substance, for what its worth.
"It's quite obvious they don't know what their talking about. Your server is ranked number 1"
Steel, I think you do an outstanding job for this community and I appreciate all your hard work and efforts as I think all of us do, but please don't go off into a hissy fit because of what one or two people say or don't say about "your" mod.
If you want, I also will "hereby quit {MOB}[Regs], effective immediately, for voicing my opinion.
What say ye, yea or nay.
ok before we start banning new regs and stringing them up and beating them please listen to my post. when we picked up mwcm it has always been that mwcm was a seperate entity imo because when i started palying there alot , i noticed it is its own clan of regulars . we brought in a few guys who were responsible regulars of the server who had interest in mob . thing is ,ive noticed how things work there steel plays and asks what people want and if every one agrees wala its there,this is why its succesful ! always a great map rotation,any problems shes on it asap and no jerk offs there ,except myself, so very little prolems.the fact remains though that very little regulars of the server come here,why should they?
sim deserves an opinion but messed up a few ways-
1. he shouldve wrote this in a pm
2.he worded it wrong because he was obviously frustrated .
3. never post anything to another player when a) pissed off OR

extremely intoxicated and from canada
although its an mob server ,this is an mwcm problem and it should be worked out between sim and steel or maybe i dont know what im talking about? one thing that has bothered me the last couple weeks is when im on mwcm i know alot of the guys dont know im there and while talking i hear some of them complaining about the changes , i have heard on at least 3 ocasions from non regs " ever since mob took over the server THEY have made all the wrong changes" i actually set a guy staight friday morning as to ,YOU made the changes ,the players here along with steel have made the changes as you went......NOT MOB. so what im saying is i can understand the post but he shouldve been more constuctive rather than so aggresive. i really wish steel wouldnt leave and would rap with the two of them and work this out ,the servers almost back and i believe alot of the changes are for the better.
i think we should ease up a bit ,take a deep breath and be a little rational-every one makes a mistake !
Old Man Mike
06/09/07 9:21pm
Well,
This is not about MOB vs Regs. It is about thinking before typing. It is beyond me how anyone in the MOB family can start a thread claiming someone has a "attitude that SUCKS". But when that claim is directed to someone that has worked so hard for the clan to provide a #1 rated server, a response IS required.
Was a total BAN extreme? Yes, because the impact of Simbumgowa' thoughtless post was extreme. Steel is not replaceable.
Tell you what, I will unban Simbumgowa long enough for him to make whatever response he wants. If Steel can be pursuaded to come back, then she can unban him.
Finally, I am dissapointed that some of you want to make this about "Freedom of Speech". Initiating a verbal attack on someone in a public (yeah, it is public to 150 people) forum is NOT a freedom of speech issue.
Old Man Mike
believe me mike , im not trying to say he was right in any way with what he posted , theres better ways to deal with it . i really dont know the history between the 3 of them or if they have one?
Crazy Canuck
06/09/07 9:59pm
my post did come off as a bit of a cheap shot and for that i apolagise!
In an attempt to avoid any futher trouble that will be my last post for a while.
Cpt. Snot Rocket
06/10/07 10:28am
QUOTE(Simbumgowa @ 06/09/07 9:25am)

And if this gets me ban or kicked so be it but (STEEL YOUR ATTITUDE SUCKS )
Thanks Sim
Funny how he wasn't complaining about Steel not running everything past him while she built it into the #1 server in the world.
He was expecting it, so the ban stays, forever.
UNDEAD 1
06/10/07 10:46am
guys before we start yelling again ....they thought they would have a say about changes being they are regs but thats not how it works for mwcm,is it? he wrote his post and im hoping they can talk this out ,lets not add fuel to the fire.
M@ster of Dis@ster
06/10/07 12:03pm
QUOTE(UNDEAD 1 @ 06/10/07 12:46pm)

guys before we start yelling again ....they thought they would have a say about changes being they are regs but thats not how it works for mwcm,is it?
Well, obviously it SHOULD have started working that people in the forums would be consulted for input. That is why people become part of a clan, and why most contribute a few dollars here and there. If the server is going to carry the MOB name, it should operate roughly the way other MOB servers do. Otherwise, why do we carry it?
Anyway...
Can someone make a point without getting insulting? Yeah, that's what Simba should have done. Should an admin be able to take one strong critique without bolting out the door in anger? Yeah.
Did anybody handle this issue correctly? IMO, no. From start to finish, what happened in this instance was a train wreck. Simba, in a new thread has at last started a process to try and fix things, but it may be too late.
These problems are happening too often. People talking disrespectfully to each other much, and people on hair triggers fire back in anger or quit. No one seems to be there to try and step in as a mediator and try and settle the issue calmly, without major incident, without immediately taking sides and raising the stakes. Yes, a few people here voice comments to that effect, very nicely in many cases, but generally they are ignored. That's a problem.
Simbumgowa
06/10/07 1:12pm
I started this on a new thread but I though it belonged here too.[/size] To all the Mob clan Mob and Reg alike This is Simbumgowa and I would just like to say a thing or two and I will never come to this forum or any site that Mob runs unless so invited.I just want Steel to know that I am SORRY for for the way I stated things in my post, I went about it all the wrong way.I'm sorry to hear that you resigned I Don't think you should !!You are a very big part of the Mob Fam.! Take some time off to reflect and to enjoy life and please return and stay part of Mob Admin. All I meant to say was I wish we could all have cooperated better when making decisions about the server.Again I'm SORRY for saying it the way I did !!!!Anyway it was great fun gaming with all of you and and Thanks goes out to all of you that did supported meeven thow I went about it all wrong. See You and God Bless PS If Steel would like to talk more about this or anythingI will list my E-Mail here or if anyone from the Clan would like too Simbumgowa@comcast.netIf not thats cool too. Thank you all so much I will miss MWCM and all of YOU !! [size="2"] Good Bye and God Bless Sim
pablodiablo
06/13/07 8:57pm
sorry that im just now finding this thread so late but simbumgowa u should check ur facts before makeing such a post for someone who is so new to the server compared to how long steel and i have been on mwcm
u think u know everything i have to say u are seriosly misinformed steel ask people over and over and over what they want and i admit im one the ones not to awnser as well as everyone else so only input she gets is from the people complaining wanting changes so if u dont awnser her when she asks it is your fault and ours for not awnsering her when she asks.
steel busts her butt keeping this server up and going for 3+ years so the few months u have been here is nothing
everyone knows me and i play on the server daily for longer then anyone else and i aint even seen u on in weeks so where do u get the merit to think u even have a say to say things like this in first place
steel dont take nothing said by him on anyone else to heart he or they are the few most of us love everything u have done now and in the past minor changes here and there dont make or break a server the people who play here and come back time and time again set the mood that everyone comes back for mods come and go some better then others but the server goes on
steel u been the best admin on any server ive ever played on for 4-5 years i played at after hourz till i came across ur server and i aint left it since and never went back to ahz uve done and awsome job and id love to see u stay but if u feel uve had all u can take anymore i understand i could never do or want to do what u haved had to do and put up with it is no small task but dont quit playing if u feel the need play under a difrent name and let someone else do the work for a change pm with the name tho so i can know when i bashed u

they will apreciate what u did for them when it all goes away and no longer can play mwcm best wishes what ever u decide to do!
Angus Thermopyle
06/14/07 10:06am
WTF?
The drama here rivals the soaps on TV.
(1) be respectful of other's efforts
(2) if you are overworked or burned out- raise your hand, let others know! It's great that the MW server is #1 but not to the extent where you are unhappy.
Damn, i retreated to the MW server the last couple of weeks to avoid the drama on Barb and now its crept over to MW. It is supposed to be fun guys and gals!
M@ster of Dis@ster
06/14/07 3:04pm
Ya know, I re-read the first 2 posts and it seems quite clear the whole mess really started over a simple misunderstanding going back to Steel's comment in game of "yeah, I see ya" Which Simba thought was a rude brush-off to his friendly greeting, which he then assumed was because he'd been suggesting different server changes. So then he comes into the forums angry and makes a rude post, but with several qualifiers, and then Steel seemed to take previous frustrations with many server related stuff and lashed back in his post. Simba's post seemed to be the proverbial "straw that broke the camel's back".
And still, at the end of the day it all started over a misinterpretation of "yeah, I see ya".
I am hoping someone manages to bridge the gap here. Simba's made the sincere apologies, and even then, I think what was overlooked with the fact this started with a misinterpretation. So that needs to be conveyed to Steel. I think both these people should still be in the clan, and if they leave it should be by choice and on a positive note, not because of an incident sparked by a misinterpreted comment.
Genocide Junkie
06/14/07 3:13pm
Steele still (ha) has access to the forums and has been on to read peoples thoughts here and there.... I'm sure when the time is right she'll respond to everyone....
Mr. TP(DK)
06/15/07 8:30pm
To Steel
Steel come back plz................ we miss u on mod weap server.
I think we had many good discussions about what was good or bad on the server. I know that u put in a lot of work to please as many people as possible. But there will always be someone who has to complain, not thinking about the amount of time u put in working with the server........ U just have to shut these people out and keep in mind that 98 percent of all members in the clan has great respect of what u do.
Looking forward to killing you again
Your friend Mr. TP
PS: Hell steel even my 8year old son *MR*TP[junior] loves
steel's server as he calls it. he made me give him his own pc so he could join the battles of the mod weap server. Thought that it was kinda funny when he asked if he could wear the *Mr* tags.
OH! NO Steel please don't leave the {MOB}.What is going to happen to the family? It won't be the same if you are not here.Please ! dear Friend think and give it sometime if you must , But do come back.

GB
Ci.Ci.
Okay ya'll, I'm still around. Actually, I sorta just changed up to working on stuff behind the scenes, cleaning up the main MOB server box, stopped a bunch of nonsense running tasks that should have helped everyone's pings and any lagging, and documenting how all the scripting works internally for the entire server box... totally amazing crap going on in there! :-)
I even wrote the code/scripting to put MWCM and COD2 Rifles! into the ServerStat and VSPstat programs already used here, and etc. And I'll have the html on this webpage changed asap to get all of this to show up to y'all rsn.
The thing is, I do want feedback on how mwcm and all of the other servers are working, what maps need to be changed out, and suggestions for weapons and other modifications.
I ESPEC:IALLY want to know what map mix you'd like to see for mwcm. One of the things I did was completely optimize the coding on the mwcm server -- as you can see, I've got the isengard and other big mtl maps running there now, with no problems whatsoever.... a FIRST for a heavily modded server!!!!
So, bring 'em on, any maps you'd like to see there that you think would be fantastically popular with the most people... speak up!!! (Yes, FS will copy us and try to run the same maps like they always do <gag>, but they don't have my internal server code optimizations, LOL!!!, they don't have a prayer to run the bigger/better maps we can -- bring 'em on!!).
And etc.
Major.Pain
06/18/07 7:30pm
Good to see ya still here Steel!
-Pain
Canadian Viper
06/18/07 7:40pm
Glad you are back Steel.
Old Man Mike
06/18/07 7:41pm
A nice note to end this thead on. I'm going to close it here so that everyone can concentrate on Steel's feedback request post.
Old Man Mike