This is a good read


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/...s_they_des.html

you know,the car i own with the payment and insurance and gas is more than my mortgage payment a month -where the fuck do we live ?

You know, there would be a lot more fuel to go around if Silver wouls retire the Titanic.

At $4.00/gal. it will cost me $190/month just to go to work and back.
Bad thing is I don't even live that far away, I work with several people who commute 1 hour each way.

You fellas should think yourselves lucky - here in the UK we pay £1.20 a litre!

It's a 1.27 here in Toronto Ontraio canada.



It's 1.27 L here in Toronto Ontario Canada.

its 4.35 here,anyone think itll hit 5.00 by nov?

http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90776/90884/6426270.html

The United States was built on large quantity of cheap affordable energy.

There are now countries like china going thru the same growth spurt and they are consuming a lot of oil and other energy.

Our entire country / economy runs on the need for good energy policy.

Screaming lets go Green without a comprehensive plan is just stupidity!

We should have been drilling for 20 years, and also working on ways to create new cleaner forms of energy. It can be done, bu we as a country are screaming into the wind.... Damn theses gas prices but please don't do anything about it like get more oil, or build more refinerys.

ANWAR was established and a portion was set aside specifically to drill for oil... yet we are not allowed.

China is drilling off our coast, but we will not? Do we not trust ourselves more than China when it comes to safety?

We are reaping what we sowed... when Bill Clinton passed on signing the bill to drill in Anwar he said it was 10 years away and we should be working on Green technologies.... Well we would have the oil now. One thing thats for sure I DONT have a car running on water yet.....

SIGH..........

Pretty soon the price of gas will be higher than the cost of Mad Dog 20/20.

Then all will be well.

by the 4th of july

In Norway the price is now over $10/gal.
- and we are an "Oil nation" - ugh!

TBN,

Has the price doubled in a year, or better yet tripled in two years?

I know in the US we pay less than most other countries. A lot of that has to do with the value of your countries currency, the size of their market. and other issues.

The reason I ask is the US dollar is down and I wonder how much of our increase is worldwide supply and demand issues and how much is the currency issue. If your dollar has remained stable I would assume that your % increase would not be as drastic as it is in the US.

One of the many reasons I hate Maxine Waters.
They drag some Oil Exec's up before congress to bitch at them an get their soundbyte.
The Oil Exec throws Maxine's question back in her face, she then freaks out about how the government will take over.
Please notice how both of the other democrats in the picture laugh at her.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niJAkR_6tKQ

I can see that my mountain bike and I are about to become better aquanted.

Crazy woman.

funny thing is that even if they drill today, according to the news (cnn/fox) it would have no effect for about 10 years. I dont believe that at all. maybe 3.

we have 2 choices.

well 3 i guess.

1) we sell our souls for oil.
2) we develop 100+ mpg cars.
3) we bike to work.

I don't believe that, if we changed policy and started building drilling platforms it would at least let the other countries know we are serious about energy independance.
My guess is they would loosen the stranglehold they have on the supply.

Whats even funnier to me is the whole windfall profits BS.... Here is a newsflash to everyone; corporations pay no taxes, they plan for the taxes they will have to pay and add it into the cost of their product it's called OVERHEAD

I wish one of these idiots blabbering on about this would explain to me exactly how taxing a corporation more is going to get them to lower the product they sell.

Or will it make everyone fell better having the government steal money froma private corporation for some pork barrel vote buying scheme?

Also found this today.

Who owns the Oil Companies?

http://www.energytomorrow.org/media_center..._Pham_Study.pdf

Lets go ahead and tax ourselves.... Well not me I was to stupid to invest in oil stocks before the upswing

Oh Well, Wish I owned one. Get it?

www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9300

Who owns the Oil Companies?
The stockowners - very simple just check the owners list which is public info.



Here is a newsflash to everyone; corporations pay no taxes, they plan for the taxes they will have to pay and add it into the cost of their product it's called OVERHEAD

Yeah right.... In Norway everyone incl. Transocean, Conoco Philips, Exxon and all other oil company pays 80 % tax! If a company want to drill oil in Norway you pay 80% tax.



I know in the US we pay less than most other countries. A lot of that has to do with the value of your countries currency, the size of their market. and other issues.
Of course. You are right about about your currency, not the other two statements. It's complex, but when Oil (and any other commodity for that sake) is valued in USD - of course this is realted to your weak currency. US has debt above their head - which make them poorer towards other countries. The value of US is the value of the dollar. Europe still have the same buying power any which way the US economy is going. But the oilprices has surged in Euro as well, but not so much as in USD.



For a 16 months or so I warned about this scenario which is developing here in the forums. I remember especially Snot Rocket had a quite different view. To me these oil prices is not a shock. However from these levels I would not go long oil. I'll think the USD will raise somewhat and the oil and commodities will plunge. We'll see.

* my words in white above.... man I have to get this quoting thing worked out

FOR the US citizens..... http://www.americansolutions.com/

Drill Here and Drill Now!

Click on the picture for more here..
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/06/020729.php

I've read a lot on both sides of the whole barrel = this much in gas price debate. I don't know the answer but the difference between the 2 plans is funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOpcPfAarjY

Back in the 70's with the first engery crisis with oil, we should of listen to president Carter & put the money into alternate fuels back than.Atleast by now the U.S. could of been free from outside sources of engery.Yet we failed to put the nesserry funds into how we can becaome independent from oil.

Oil was cheap & easy to prduct into engery.You all do realize that the MPG is far lower now than back in the 1980's.I beleive it was 1984 the standard MPG for cars was 22.Which made cars smaller along with conserving the key resource needed to keep this country moving foward.

However, big companies like Oil compaines control & lobby our goverment officals that we elect.It's out own fault because we as Americans for whatever reason need to own big things, let it be 9 to 10 mpg SUV's or houses that are bigger than what our real needs are.Americans use this crap as "Their Staus in LIfe" for whatever reason.

Our congress, governers, mayors & other local, state & federal officlas rent cars for there use in their every day lives.We flip the bill for them, so why do they give a flying fuck what gas prces are.Even when they fly most fly 1st class.They get away with this by flying certain amount of hours in one flight.How you ask, well intead of talking a flight that is non stop they take flights that have a couple stops which adds the time on to the flight.Don't think it true, than do your reasearch.

Again not saying all do this, but most do.Again do you reasearch its public knowledge all you have to do is research the facts.

Drill for more Oil is not going to help, we need to become & fund enery sources that we can prduce right here in the U.S. along with conserving the Oil.Shit I would go totally green if I could afford to do so.Yet the cost to go green far out weights the cost to stay on Gas or Oil.Again fund these industries so it can become affordable.

Search the facts on big oil companies like Exxon/Mobil.They have no funding going into research for other engery sources other than wanting to drill for more Oil.The take their profits & rebuy stock back into thier own company & lie to us.Bush's family is all about Oil.They are in bed with the Saudi's, the whole reason Bush tried to pass the bill to open up drilling in Anwar & Off shore to his buddies as on last ditch effort to help his big Oil friends to keep making profits.

Oil is running out, that is a fact.Drilling for new oil cost lots of money who do you think will have to pay for that cost.We will.Drilling off shore & in Anwar is meaningless.First barrel of Oil will not get on the market till about 10 years from now.Maybe sooner if we got lucky.

We are using less Oil in the U.S. now.It's China & India buying up the Oil.So how is the drilling in Anwar & Off Shore going to help the American people again.Don't get fooled by the smoke & mirrors by big Oil.All they want is there 7 percent plus profit every year.I love how they use that term it's only 7 percent profit we make.Yet its 7 percent in the Billions.Lot different.Don't we all want to make a 7 percent profit in the billions.


Just wake up Oil is not going to be around forever, just like this Earth might not be around forever.It's somethiing we as humans fail to see nothing is forever, yet we think for some reason it is.

If the MPG for cars was 22 back in the 1980's than now in 2008 the MPG should be atleast 44 or higher for every car on the road.It can be done.


Carbon Fiber is the way to go in car making.Light as a feather yet as strongg or stronger than steel.A guy created a Carbon Fiber frame which is 5 pieces that go together.It can be assembled by a 4 to 5 man work crew.One side of the frame can be picked up by one person it is that light.It would create more jobs, cut the cost of engery for these automatic computerised auto plants that drain electric power just so they can vut labor cost.Sure makes sense, yet with carbon fiber frames the need for computers & automated lines is a waste.

Only draw back the big auto companies said was the cost to produce the carbon fiber was to expensive.So the gy who created the crbon fiber frame is designing machinery to produce the carbon fiber cheap.Again funding areas that we know can & will work.

If we do not fund the areas that need to be funded right now, which we should of funded these areas 30 years ago we will never survive.It will happen, it has to happen, there is no short term solution we all will suffer for years to come till changes take place.Even than we will struggle but it has to start somewhere everyone has to be on board & grind & bare it.Only prolbem I see is us the american people ourselves.We want that quick fix, yet it's not coming.Like I said grin & bare it.


Couple of lovly excuses we beed given over the years why Oil has been on the rise.See if you remember these.


The war in Iraqi

Katrina

Terrorist Attacks.

Housing market effect the DOW

Feds keeping the rates low(Remeber the Federal Bank has nothing to do with the USA they are just a cenral Bank we borrow money with intrest which puts the country in more debt)

India & China

Weak Dollar.(Well when you have one central bank that controls your currencies worth thats what you get, especially when that company is private greed struck bankers like the Federal Bank)

Next time take a look at a dollar bill.Read where it says this is legal tender for private or public debt.Its not backed by anything its a piece of paper that someone(Federal bank) puts worth to it.Sure it's worth 1 dollar here, yet in other countries it's worth cents.


Final food for thought.Infrastructure is very important.Mass tranist is also the key.Why the fuck does NYC or big cities rely on cab services instead of bikes, trams, subways or trains.The street of NYC or any large city should be full of transportation other than cars.Just think about how much Oil/Gas would be saved.

I say line the deserts with Solar panals, harness the tides with underwater turbinds to created electric, put windmills up not made from steel but from carbon fiber.Look in to making Nuclear safe also.

We need more moeny into taking out waste products & using them to produce engery instead of wasting away in land fills.Use the waste product from corn intead of the food source to produce engery to fuel our cars along with Hemp.

We have the sources to become free of Oil, again invest in thewm to make it all worth it.

Wait wait wait you can hold your horses, Honda has a new fuel cell car the FCX Clarity coming soon.

Only $600 a month to lease.....

I am sure the rich bastards will eat this one up ASAP & keep talking about how they have gone green.

Sure lets see pay my bills & eat or make a $600 a month payments???

Most people do not even make $600 in a week after taxes & all the BS they take out.

Himmler,

I have said over and over again we should be working toward alternative energy!
The problem I have is that we are the only country that does no drill work feverishly for their own energy resources.
It's the Not in my Backyard scenario.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washingt...t_on_cape_wind/

I am sick of hearing blah blah blah 10 years bullshit. We could have been drilling in anwar (a piece of land which has set asides for drilling) we could have been drilling off the coasts, and we SHOULD have been creating nuclear plants (like most of Europe)

We should have been puting money into alternative energy, but we did not!
Now we are stuck we will not have viable alternative energy solutions for everyone in the us for years, we should follow a short term (oil and other fossil fuels) and long term energy plan.

Both parties have failed us, the Dems by blocking domestic energy, the repubs by blocking alternative. Now we have nothing.

But let's face it the rest of the world has no alternative energy solution either and it's not on the emmidate horizon. so in the SHORT term, get as much oil as we can pump the money back into the US economy rather then sending it overseas, and lower the prices.

Congress NEEDS to put together a long term energy plan and drive it. buisnesses do it, but our politicans can't see past their next election

Lastly, I've heard the we will be out of oil for years, and yet we are finding huge new stores of oil all the time, that is not a valid excuse.

Demand for oil is growing MUCH faster than supply... drilling for more oil in the USA will do little (if anything) to lower American gas prices. Our prices for gas in Canada have increased as well - despite Canada's massvie expansion and increase in petroleum production in the last few years. It matters little where the oil "comes from."

It's time for real alternative energy solutions.

Oil is going to run out & at the rate the world is becoming over populated & the need to fuel that rise in population will casue issues.

Almost everything we own or use is some type of oil based product.Even the roads we drive have an Oil base.

Drilling for more Oil is not the solution becasue it is not a reusable source of engery.

Same with Natural Gas or even Coal.Sure we can drill, dig or mine for these fossil fuels yet once they are gone they are gone.

Even if we did off shore drilling along with tapping into Anwar those barrels of Oil will not solve the high cost per barrel.There has been not one guarantee to the American people that Oil form these reigons will be for American usaged only.No guarantee those barrels of Oil will be used to lessen the rising cost per barrel from other countries.

So like I said nothing will stop Big Oil from sellling those barrels of Oil to others like India & China just for profit.Big Oil knows this becasue the old wells are drying up & they need to find other pools to drill.

Plus we do not have the refineries to keep up with demand.Another reason why more Oil is not the answer.Our refineries are old.Intead of building new ones or more (which our goverment will not allow) they can only repair out dated crumbling ones they have now.

Again for whatever reason no one in this country in power ever thinks years ahead like 100 years not 10 years.We had our chance back in the 70's & were warned that another crisis will & can happen if we depend upon forgien sources of engery to run this country.Like typical American thinking we chosse not to listen & decided the "it won't happen to us approach" instead.

Here is some questions that need to be answered with the whole drilling for Oil off shore & in Anwar.


When the first barrel does come online what is the cost going to be per barrel?
(Surely these big Oil compnaies have some guess on how much a barrel will be)

Seeing we a drilling into our places that have Oil reserves, will all the barrels from these regions be for American usage only to help cut cost of pricing now????

Are the big Oil companies going to take their newly found profits form these regions to invest into reuseable engery sources or will it be used for more Oil exploration????

How much of the profits are going to go into fuels that are not fossil fuels, that are clean reusable engery sources???


Even if the market was flooded with tons of Oil how are we going to refine this oil into usable sources when our refineries are old & will not be able to keep up with the demand even though we have tons of Oil to refine into gas.Do you build more & where????

If there is a large Oil spill or spills who will pay for the clean up???I mean in the long run, who will pay the price the consumer.We all know it will eventually get passed on to us some how some way.


Lastly, how much is this Oil exploration along with more refineries built going to cost the cosumer in the long run????


Those are some serious questions that we & our goverment need to be stern on.

Sure drilling for more Oil sounds nice to our ears, yet there are plenty of questions like these that have not been answered or clairfied.

It's easy to give everyone the simple answer "Drill for more Oil", becasue the American people want that quick fix along with being so dumbed down that we forget & to ask the serious questions that need to be asked.It than becomes to late once laws are passed.

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