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Druid
Split Teams
To little easy words, totaling all of 10 letters. Easy enough to be understood by anyone but is incomprehensible to some people.
An issue happened on the server recently where a group of people after being asked multiple times in the past to split teams when they play here, still refused to abide by this simple request. The request is for one reason, to keep it fair and fun for everyone playing on the server.
This time the issue went far beyond 2 or 3 people keeping the teams uneven as a way to boost their stats. This time it was obviously done with the malicious intent of driving people off the server as that was the end result. Then as juvenile poke at me and my request, all 5 of them kept it even, by switching teams together as a group but only after driving several players off the server out of sheer frustration. Then to top it all off, not only did they stack the teams but spammed the server with voice taunts 350 times over 2 maps. For some people 350 times over 2 maps may not seem excessive but considering most of the players in question rarely used them in the past, it leads me to one conclusion. I can only assume people on the other team where not leaving fast enough to suit them, so they decided they may as well irritate the other players as well.
The last time the subject of splitting teams was brought up. Someone didn't like that I discussed it in public and thought I should have contacted them via email and kept it private. Well guess what, this happened publicly on our server so it may as well be discussed here publicly.
I thinks it's worth noting they didn't want this to negatively reflect on them, so they did this while surfing.
lacuna coil aka -|TLD|-Ateurnus
JoHn sTOcKtON > -|TLD|-Panzer
Shawn Bradley > -|TLD|-Deuce
Myrtle the Turtle > -|TLD|- Aggression
Hakeem Olajuwan > -|TLD|-Crafty
I'm not sure why these guys felt like they had to make asses of themselves while on our server. I also don't know why they thought they would get away with it just because there was no MOB on the server when it happened. Then again, maybe they purposely picked a time when no MOB was on. I guess they didn't want anyone around who could do anything about their so-called way of having fun.

Last we come to what I think was a very interesting post on their forum about what happened.
http://tldclan.com/modules.php?name=Forums...viewtopic&t=278
When a regular from the server mentioned what happened.
Crafty replies
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I agree Barg0d. We try to keep it fair and fun so everyone can play here  and enjoy it

So while on your server you try and keep it fair and fun. Yet, while on our server you use fake names, stack the teams and spam the server with voice taunts until a 3rd of the players leave.
It's to bad you don't use the same mentality while playing on our server as you do when playing on your own, i.e keep it fair and fun so everyone can play.
Because of what happened, the players have been banned. I'm only mentioning it here because I'm sure rumors will start flying as to why they were banned.
BTW I'm sure all of you know how to get by the ban. If you wish to go that route, this topic will be updated each time.

If you want the banned removed, all you have to do is,
1) Publicly apologize, not to me or MOB, just in general to the people who where on the server at the time.
2) Explain/Admit why you did what you did and promise to never do it again.
3) Use the term "split teams" in a sentence, as a way to show you understand what it means. This way the subject won't keep coming up and you can't plead ignorance as to what I'm saying when I asked you in the past to "split teams".

If any TLD wants to get nasty about this, feel free.
I'm always ready for down and dirty debate .
xl-FLAME-lx
WOW...this was a shock...i did not realize that TLD was doing this to MOB atm? this is kind of strange considering i thought that all the bad feelings were gone but i suppose i was wrong. erm...kinda speechless now that i just had to answer the phone so if i remember what i was going to say i will post it later.

Very dissappointed TLD crying.gif angry2.gif ,
FLAME
Panzer
QUOTE
To little easy words, totaling all of 10 letters. Easy enough to be understood by anyone but is incomprehensible to some people

Apparently MOB guys as well. I was palying yesterday for a few as Hannibal; 2 times Diesel said even the teams, no one would go so you think he would switch & even them of course not. Him & Nate were both on the same team against 5 on the opposing including myself...SPLIT TEAMS.
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This time the issue went far beyond 2 or 3 people keeping the teams uneven as a way to boost their stats

None of us play enough on the server to care about our stats
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Then as juvenile poke at me and my request, all 5 of them kept it even, by switching teams together as a group but only after driving several players off the server out of sheer frustration

As I recall only about 3 people left whose slots were filled rather quickly.
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Then to top it all off, not only did they stack the teams but spammed the server with voice taunts 350 times over 2 maps. For some people 350 times over 2 maps may not seem excessive but considering most of the players in question rarely used them in the past, it leads me to one conclusion. I can only assume people on the other team where not leaving fast enough to suit them, so they decided they may as well irritate the other players as well.

Sorry Druid, that wasn't why. Aggression is a spam whore...what can I say.
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I'm not sure why these guys felt like they had to make asses of themselves while on our server

I didn't get that same impression
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I guess they didn't want anyone around who could do anything about their so-called way of having fun.

Blakjak was there. Oh come on that's weak...we were using Missioanry & had good scores..if a good player would have hopped in like a few usually do they would have.
QUOTE
Then again, maybe they purposely picked a time when no MOB was on. I guess they didn't want anyone around who could do anything about their so-called way of having fun

Would have made it more fun, too bad it was toooo late
QUOTE
It's to bad you don't use the same mentality while playing on our server as you do when playing on your own, i.e keep it fair and fun so everyone can play

Actually we do the same thing on our server, usually there's better players in there though. So the teams don't get all out of whack.

What's funny about this, is this was same thing we did while in MOB. It was never mentioned then.

I apologize for spawn killing a lot!
I will never spawn kill again!
When all the allies split we switched teams...does that count?
Soul Assassins
LOL thats pretty fucking sad...and who the fuck would pick John Stockton as their name lol. To funny but still i thought these guys were a little bit more mature then this.
Nicky Santoro(The Wise Guys)
QUOTE (Soul Assassins @ Jun 22 2004, 12:27 PM)
LOL thats pretty fucking sad...and who the fuck would pick John Stockton as their name lol. To funny but still i thought these guys were a little bit more mature then this.

I'm not one to take sides and stuff because it's not worth getting mad all over..... but I think us Regs should stay out of this one and let them take care of it... No offense Soul

Sincerely and Respectfully,

Nicky Santoro
Shifty
What I can't understand is why people smurf in the first place.
Not man enough to show their real names? Everyone knows players are tracked by IP so why even bother?

As to the subject of there being better players on the TLD server...I've looked several times, as I enjoy the challenge of playing against the ex mob players, but I've yet to find a decent number of players on that server.

I'll stick to Goodfella's and DMG thanks rolleyes.gif

DIESEL
Why arent you using your reall names when you come in..I like to know who im killing and raping..as for {MOB} being on the same team nothing wrong with that as far i see as your were doing ok the teams werent stacked..then too many people were joing our team thats why i joined yours...As for spamming in the server thats why Agg got banned also..You guys use 2 be in the same clan for how long? Nice too see how long it takes for the bitterness to develop...As for better players ..>LMFAO.. U have 10 players on your server at a time and thats why alot of the old regs are on your server cuz u used our server to get them their..... be a man about it you shoulda used ur real names when you come on.. BTW have we done this to your server? NO>...time to move on
futureman
panz,
why do you guys even want to play here?
i mean, with your own server and everything, it seems a bit strange.
there would have to be some reason you and your team would come to a place in a small group, under false identities, and play on the same team....on the server you used to be a part of, no less.

twist it any way you wish, but it is obvious you werent coming to have a good time.
malicious intent to people you once were tight with is a dickhead way to be.
but what do you expect? glad i didnt know ya.
Soul Assassins
Right on Guys no doubt.

I guess maybe their bored?

Anyway Your right Nicky and no offense taken smile.gif
Druid
Panzer it's funny you decided to reply seeing as how the last time this came up we were on the server together. When I asked you guys to split teams you through a tiff and left. Also when this came up last time, I specifically remember saying I kept my mouth shut several times when it involved you and a few others while in MOB, because I didn't want to create waves. Well, times are different and you are no longer in MOB.
I know from speaking to a few people that play on both of our servers, there is a running joke by some TLD members saying how the MOB server is a newb server now that you guys quit. The fact is we lost several good regulars while you guys where here because of this exact situation.
I also don't understand why you would claim the MOB server is suddenly a newb server seeing as how many of you still play here, just under different names.
"#1 CAMPER, Waddamelon, Herb E. Versmelz, Judge Judy, BACON STRIPS, Manute Bol, Shawn Bradley, Bugsy, KANDOR, cOlLArd GrEEns, Johnson, Breakyourself fool, Poppo Giggo, Ja joomba, [ESFF]3rd. lt. heiman, achi machi, JoHn sTOcKtON, COLLARD GREEN, Fried Okra, {666}Satan, CALVIN COOLIDGE, Hakeem Olajuwan, Catalyst, Drunken Chicken, Taco Bell, Dead Pool and gun for hire"

As far as, Diesel and Nate being on the same team, here's a few questions.
How uneven where the scores?
How uneven was the talent levels? probably not by much seeing as how you already said you were on the other team.
You do understand there is a difference between 2 people and 5 people. If you can't figure it out the difference is 3.
You are also trying to cloud the point when you mention BlakJak as being there.
He was on the same team as you until the 5 smurfing TLD players switched teams as a group to allied after chasing off most of the allied players.
You can't deny the stacking of teams was on purpose.
The log file shows "join-team" commands, 2 of you 1st joined the server as allied then quickly switched to axis to stack the team.
If the two who originally joined as Allied would of stayed on that team, this would of never been an issue.

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None of us play enough on the server to care about our stats

funny you would say this, the last time it was brought up was because I had removed the players from the stats.
http://www.mobclan.com/forums/upload/index...?showtopic=3915

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As I recall only about 3 people left whose slots were filled rather quickly.

No actually it was 7 people, the fact some of the slots filled back up is completely besides the point. There was no reason for you guys to come on smurfing, stack the teams to make it so uneven a 3rd of the people leave. Do you think I should apologize because your idea of having fun is ruining other people's fun?
Sorry, that's going to happen.
If you didn't think you were doing something people wouldn't agree with, why the need to smurf? One of the people was here playing with their tag on, soon as the rest of you joined, off came his tag and then as a group you went to town.

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Actually we do the same thing on our server, usually there's better players in there though. So the teams don't get all out of whack.

Maybe you should tell Crafty that, because when asked about it on your forum he said you guys split teams to keep it fair and fun for everyone while playing on YOUR server.


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I apologize for spawn killing a lot!
I will never spawn kill again!

Again why do you feel they need to change or cloud the subject.
Where do you see the words "spawn killing" in my post?
Although while we are on the subject, I play in several other servers every now and then to keep in touch with other players. On some of the servers spawn killing is against the rules, As much as I disagree with that rule, I abide by it while on their server. I don't know why you can't abide by a simple request to split teams when you play here. Or are you going to now claim I haven't asked you this exact same thing before?

Thats it for me for now.
I look forward to your future replies, I will happily respond to them when I get home late tonight.
Solidrocker
i say ban them to show we wont tolerate crap like that
Solidrocker
QUOTE (Shifty @ Jun 22 2004, 12:39 PM)


I'll stick to Goodfella's and DMG thanks rolleyes.gif

i play on the same two servers
soup nazi
no reason for these childish acts, and no reason to let them back on the server biggrin.gif

have a nice day
={DMG}=ashe
QUOTE
I'll stick to Goodfella's and DMG thanks


QUOTE
i play on the same two servers


Thats cause our servers kick ass!!!

Seriously though....Not to take sides in this dispute, but I had a post along time ago, some might remember, about the Nar clan. They were using fake names, going onto various servers and hacking and then crashing the servers. I posted my opinion on "smurfing" or "surfing" as Druid calls it. I stated my opinion that people smurf for a couple of main reasons.

QUOTE
In my experience with Mohaa, people either use aliases, or alot of aliases as you stated earlier, for a couple of reasons.

1) To spec people in there servers they expect as cheating without the person suspecting they are being specd by a server admin.
2) To hack
3) To crash servers
4) To be idiots.


It was not there server so that rules out number 1.
They were using Missionary so that rules out number 2.
The server did not go down, so rules out number 3.
By process of elimination that leaves number 4.

Sidenote: Since I posted the original 4 reasons for aliases, I have added a few more.

5) To check out other clans they are competing against.
6) To not use Missionary on a Missionary server and think they are getting away with it. biggrin.gif
Soul Assassins
Damn Ash lol
Druid
QUOTE (={DMG}=ashe @ Jun 23 2004, 09:21 AM)
I posted my opinion on "smurfing" or "surfing" as Druid calls it. I stated my opinion that people smurf for a couple of main reasons.

LOL

Damn spell check
realdeal
Surfing... LMAO
Soul Assassins
LOL!
Khaos
I dont see what the problem is.
Why would you care what teams people pick.
Stop crying about it already.
gives.gif
futureman
smurf posting....a whole new ballgame.
Soul Assassins
LOL, Khoas your talking crap on the wrong battle field
Saints
QUOTE
6) To not use Missionary on a Missionary server and think they are getting away with it. 


I'm guilty of this one Ashe, lol, as you know.

However, Missionary seems to freeze up my computer and cause SEVERE slowdown.

Not to bring this totaly off topic, but, if anyone could direct me to a place where i could download Teamspeak and talk with bart about my missionary woes, i would greatly appreciate it.

Peace,

Hoods, Inc. {SaiNts}
TheDoc
www.teamspeak.org

69.56.234.182:8767
is his ts ip
Saints
thank You doc
Soul Assassins
Yo Saints long time no see
Druid
QUOTE (Khaos @ Jun 23 2004, 10:37 AM)
I dont see what the problem is.
Why would you care what teams people pick.
Stop crying about it already.
gives.gif

PART I
Wow great reply.
Seeing as how I didn't regonize your name, I checked your IP against the server logs. No name and no IP.
Now why would someone bother to signup on a forum just to post that if they don't play on our server.

PART II
Out of pure curioustiy
I did a little searching with the IP.
After trying several things I hit gold.
63.208.219.35 = megaproxy.

I hope the $5 you just paid to sign up with them was well worth it. LMFAO

Since you appear to be a simpleton, I'll keep it real easy for you.


This is the MOB server
People were asked not to do something.
People were then told not to do something.
People went ahead and continued doing what they were asked and then told not to do.
They were banned.

Hope that's simple enough for you.
futureman
druid,
please dont ever not like me.
smile.gif
Soul Assassins
Druid do you work for the CIA?
soup nazi
i hope i never piss druid off,
={DMG}=ashe
Fuck Druid. Hes a bitch.
Bargod
QUOTE (soup nazi @ Jun 23 2004, 02:33 PM)
i hope i never piss druid off,

Such a short memory, Soup? You already did! LOL!
laugh.gif
Luckily, he got over it!
Druid
QUOTE (={DMG}=ashe @ Jun 23 2004, 10:03 PM)
Fuck Druid. Hes a bitch.

Ah I just get all sentimental when you call me that. biggrin.gif
xl-FLAME-lx
QUOTE (Druid @ Jun 23 2004, 02:15 PM)
QUOTE (Khaos @ Jun 23 2004, 10:37 AM)
I dont see what the problem is.
Why would you care what teams people pick.
Stop crying about it already.
gives.gif

PART I
Wow great reply.
Seeing as how I didn't regonize your name, I checked your IP against the server logs. No name and no IP.
Now why would someone bother to signup on a forum just to post that if they don't play on our server.

PART II
Out of pure curioustiy
I did a little searching with the IP.
After trying several things I hit gold.
63.208.219.35 = megaproxy.

I hope the $5 you just paid to sign up with them was well worth it. LMFAO

Since you appear to be a simpleton, I'll keep it real easy for you.


This is the MOB server
People were asked not to do something.
People were then told not to do something.
People went ahead and continued doing what they were asked and then told not to do.
They were banned.

Hope that's simple enough for you.

OOOO PICK ME IT WAS ME PICK ME PICK ME!
hey druid what u work as U TOO REAL! man feel like i dont know u homos.
Panzer
Since I was the one from TLD to start it, I'll end it. Druid I wanted to apologize to you for not keeping the teams even. Even though I don't agree with all of your points, we can agree to disagree. Nonetheless, you asked us on different occassions to keep the teams even & we should have obliged. After all, we no longer contribute monetarily for the server.

I'm not doing this to get unbanned, I could care less. However, as Ashe pointed out Druid has done a lot for all of us including myself.

Respectfully,
P

DIESEL
Panzer it took alot of courage to apologize in the forums inwhich is seen by alot of people...I would like say thank-you and from myself your apology is accepted.
***crafty***
I too am sorry for all the b.s. the past week. Druid you have done a hell of a lot for all of us. Thx again and once again apologies.
Silver
QUOTE (xl-FLAME-lx @ Jun 24 2004, 12:37 PM)
OOOO PICK ME IT WAS ME PICK ME PICK ME!
hey druid what u work as U TOO REAL! man feel like i dont know u homos.


blink.gif UMMM... translation....anyone??? anyone speak flame? blink.gif

blink.gif IM SO LOST.... blink.gif
Solidrocker
your not alone D huh.gif
Ateurnus
Word to that. Im usually drunk off my as every night so im just a follow these fuvckers around. still my bad.


At
Silver
huh.gif blink.gif
soup nazi
QUOTE (Ateurnus @ Jun 26 2004, 03:12 AM)
Word to that. Im usually drunk off my as every night so im just a follow these fuvckers around. still my bad.


At

ummm, does anyone understand this, i feel stupid the more i read it. dry.gif
xl-FLAME-lx
suck my balls all of u
Solidrocker
ok liebe083.gif
Aggression
I hate to revive an old topic but I feel that I must include my own apology in this thread.

I apologize for my part in this incident to MOB and Druid in particular. Druid warned me of this and I failed to follow his request. For that I am clearly in the wrong and hope to be forgiven for what I did.

There is one thing I would like to state, however. The spamming that I did is actually a normal thing for me. I spam heavily on our server as well. Please understand that it was not my intention to be inconsiderate to the other players in the server at the time.

I'm not trying to dodge guilt or rationalize anything that happened. I've always been able to admit I was wrong and I am clearly wrong in this matter. My sincerest apologies to you.

Regards,

Aggression
Blakjak
I have a couple of comments about this whole business as well. Yes, I was playing with the tld guys on the mob server, and was the only one on the opposing team who was over .500 I believe. What they did was childish and immature, and I would know- I was on Vent with them at the time. However, I am disappointed in the condemnation of keeping unfair teams when this shit does go down all the time on MOB servers as well. Many times the numbers may only be slightly off but the talent levels are way out of proportion. This problem is not as bad on the MOB serer anymore as many members have left, replaced by less experienced players, but it still happens. Furthermore, the first thing I say to Aggression when he enters thier server- you damn spam whore. Every time, without fail he spams the console when he is in there. Just my honest opinion and observation from playing on the MOB server for almost a year now. hmmm.gif
Soul Assassins
Showed a lot of balls TLD guys coming back here and apologizing.
realdeal
QUOTE (Blakjak @ Jul 6 2004, 06:49 AM)

However, I am disappointed in the condemnation of keeping unfair teams when this shit does go down all the time on MOB servers as well.  Many times the numbers may only be slightly off but the talent levels are way out of proportion.  This problem is not as bad on the MOB serer anymore as many members have left, replaced by less experienced players, but it still happens. 



Bj, I think you might have missed some of Druid's post in his response to Panzer:

QUOTE (Druid @ Jun 22 2004, 02:36 PM)

...Also when this came up last time, I specifically remember saying I kept my mouth shut several times when it involved you and a few others while in MOB, because I didn't want to create ways. Well, times are different and you are no longer in MOB....


QUOTE (Blakjak @ Jul 6 2004, 06:49 AM)

This problem is not as bad on the MOB serer anymore as many members have left, replaced by less experienced players, but it still happens. 



The reason why this doesn't happen as much anymore is because the situation was righted after the split.
Blakjak
My apologies I did not read that as well as I should have.
realdeal
QUOTE (Blakjak @ Jul 6 2004, 11:19 AM)
My apologies I did not read that as well as I should have.

No apology necessary... just wanted to clear up any misunderstanding.
Himmler
I going to be honest here...I have been in Goodfellas in the past & present where the teams are very unfair or stacked.....I think the biggest problem is everyone worried about the stats page or their scores.....Your amazing scores in a packed server DON"T MEAN SHIT when it comes to match play.....I personally always jump on the unstacked team on any server including my own..Why?????Because it makes you become an Elite Player in MOHaa.....I care more about my skill level & how to push out of a spawn area against other skilled players,then having my name on a stats page at or near the top......Actually I look for servers with less players in them,thats where you learn a lot about how to play this game.....Thats my $2.50 cents....... wink.gif
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