An Associated press article picked up by:
MSNBC
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9543248/

New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/30/nyregion...e-chaplain.html

Houston Chronicles
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/3377345

New York Daily News
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/stor...9p-299707c.html

Yahoo News
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050930/ap_on_...HNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

The full article in New York News Day
http://www.nynewsday.com/news/local/manhat...lines-manhattan

No conspiracy sites this time... finally a skeptic that the mainstream news picked up on.

Yeah, thank goodness they can find wackos who believe in BS too!


Notice, he is just a chaplain but puts forth the idea that is "popular in some Islamic circles" that it takes two or three weeks to demolish a building like that and 19 Arab hijackers couldn't have done it.
Needless to say, the professionals who know the fire business, ie firefighters, were outraged by his comments. Don't you think if the comments held even an inkling of truth the FDNY would be rioting because they lost 343 of thier own in what must be an American conspiracy?
I'm glad the news showed everyone that their are plenty of whackos out there who you may think is a normal, intlligent person, but can still believe total BS.

I don't even know why you bothered to post this.
Just some random guy by his own admission doesn't know what happen.
The only reason this was even news is because of his Muslim background and the position he was going to take.
At least the newspapers mention the same Islamic Society who recommended him for the job pulled their support when they found out he was a nut.

question 1: why is anyone that questions the government a nutjob?
question 2: why is everyone so offended? now this is something to think about, because even if it's NOT true there is NO REASON to get all defensive, and here's why: say your best friend gets murdered, and the FBI says "alright, we have our suspect, we're sending out a nationwide manhunt"... and they do... then a few weeks later some guy says, "sir, i don't believe that that was the man who killed your friend, there is evidence that points to this guy being the murderer instead." would that "offend" you, or "open up wounds"? wouldn't you WANT to know who really killed your best friend?
i hate how they try to get the message across that anyone who questions is anti-american... and anyone who doesn't like the current political leaders is anti-american or unpatriotic, when in reality it's the complete opposite. our country was FOUNDED on the idea of being able to speak your voice in disent, and protest/assemply, so the person that doesn't like our president and hates war can still be as patriotic as the guy that loves the president and loves war... being patriotic has NOTHING to do with liking your president or liking a war... it has to do with liking your country, there's a difference.


question: Why should his being a muslim make a difference?

i'm going to have to side with too exclusive on this one


every time someone questions the government they are deemed insane, seriously, rarely does someone question the government and not get shot down.

Well the problem is that this fucking moron is using a subject that is very sensitive for a lot of people to propel his personal hysteria and insanity. It is especially difficult for people who knew or were close to victims of the tragedy to read this crap. Also the subject mattter, that a standing American President would kill fellow Americans for some clandestine plan to take over the world or enslave US citizens sounds like it was written by Marvel or DC comics. It's lame and totally inapporpriate. I would be the first one to say that I think Bush isn't a very good president, though I support his resolve against terrorism no matter how flawed the execution of it may be, but for his opponents to use a tragedy of the nature(9/11) as a platform for their skewed and hackneyed views makes me sick. STFU asshole and keep it to yourself.

TE, it's although I refer to him as a nutjob, nobody in the news article does, nor does the fire department. The reason why people got upset is because the firefighters died regardless of what caused the fire, but when you get people who are clearly clueless spouting claims of a political conspiracy, that cheapens the deaths of the firemen and turns them into tools of a political agenda.
The man couldn't keep his job as chaplin because he would be unable to help anyone who went to him. "I'm still having nightmares about my buddy dieing in 9/11". "I'll tell you what the really scary thing is! He didn't have to die! It was set up to go down and they let all those people die for a political goal! They sacrificed your friend and thousands others just so they could start a war!"
Yeah, that wouldn't be very effective counseling.

Yeah, but TE is just looking for a conspiracy. Instead of doing something constructive to try and make America better, He go's around giving her a black eye. Dropping moral & trying to turn more americans anti-government.

Thats why i think he IS a terrorist.



P.S. TE your not gonna change our minds, Stop posting this shit. If theres no other topics that interest you, Then just leave.

i think that it only lowers the morale of people who are not intelligent enough to formulate their own opinions

I think OJ Simpson was innocent. His son murdered them.
Facts:
1. His son is a chef
2. His son has a history of violence
3. His son left the restaurant "very upset" and took his knives with him, something he never does
4. OJ's sons hands are smaller than OJ's, that's why OJ wanted to try on the gloves. They knew the gloves wouldn't fit.
I think OJ cut himself and spilled blood in his truck cuz he would rather go to jail then see his son go, and also figured he had a better chance of getting off.
Now, that should take things off topic!

lol ..So your saying TE only convinces un-intelligent people.

THAT'S what I've been saying all along!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so you're tryint to say u dont think the "terrorists" have some agenda? either way they're dead. and there are a LOT of families of the victims of 9/11 that have sided wit the "conspiracy theorists" and think that bush did it... there was a lawsuit where 400 families of victims of 9/11 were trying to bring upon members of the government for prior knowledge and involvement. having somebody that's NOT a family member of a victim say that "the family members of the victims don't want to hear this, it offends them, blah blah blah" that would be like me saying to somebody "o bargod doesn't like hamburgers" without me knowing for a fact whether he does or not... it doesn't undermine the deaths at all... whether they died for for the tools of the terrorists agenda to send a "message" to us americans, or whether they died for the tools of a political agenda... they still died because someone wanted to kill people! they both have agendas... so that "tools" argument can go either way.
and another thing... people are not crazy because of their political views... you guys are just as crazy to liberals as i am to you. nobody is "insane" or "hysterical" or "crazy" because of their political views. simple as that. people can believe whatever the hell they want... every side has their retards and their intelligent people... you guys are probably intelligent (i dont know for sure), but there are also right-wing bush-lovers that are complete retards... there are liberals that are intelligent then there are retarded ones, there are intelligent "conspiracy theorists" just like there are retarded ones... and the only reason you guys think i'm retarded is BECAUSE i'm a "conspiracy theorist", but if u could see thru that, ud see im a very smart person. i'm a lot less "wacko" then some of the other conspiracy theorists who believe that the airplanes had pods and missiles on them, and that there was a laser guiding the planes into the towers, and that the planes that hit the towers were switched and some other shit... im more down to earth than that. i dont believe any of that stuff... so no, i dont believe everything i hear... i make up my mind whether i want to believe it or not based on evidence.

And Lee Harvey was the only shooter, We never landed on the moon, The holocaust was faked, Aliens really did land in Roswell. The 1906 earthquake of SF was a government conspiracy!

TE, your arguement is flawed because the "prior knowledge" they alledge refers to intelligence that there could be an attack. I haven't heard any serious allegations from a credible source that the 9/11 attacks were gov't sponsored. To imagine that a conspiracy that widespread would have never been leaked to the press for money or conscience is impossible to believe.
You sound very similiar to a player that tried to join SK a while back and I declined. He posted a long diatribe about the Holocaust being a hoax in our forums. Was this you?

most likely, i think he's the only one in the mohaa forums that i have seen post such BS about politics and such

New York fire department chaplain resigns after remarks about 9/11 conspiracy theory



Oh yeah, I think OJ's innocent too.....NOT!

DONT YOU EVER FUCKING SAY THAT AGAIN!!! THINK BEFORE YOU FUCKIN SPEAK!!! THE HOLOCAUST WAS NOT A FUCKING HOAX, AND DON'T YOU EVER FUCKING ASSOCIATE THE HOLOCAUST BEING A HOAX WITH PEOPLE THAT THINK 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!! WE ARE COMPLETE OPPOSITES!!
People that think the holocaust was a hoax are neo-Nazi KKK anti-semetic fucks. We are complete opposites. The holocaust being true fits the paradigm PERFECTLY of people in my group, so if you guys don't have a fuckin clue what you're talking about, don't fucking speak, cause that comment PISSED me the fuck off. NEVER say that we believe the holocaust was a hoax. As for the moon, i dunno about that one. I'm neutral on that... but the idea of the people is not that we never landed on the moon, it's just that we didnt do it in 1969... but i dunno about that one, i dont have a position on that. and as for the whole thing about the media and what not... there are LOTS of ppl who went to the media with things like firefighters saying bombs were going off and shit like that, and u know what the media does to those people?? They LAUGH at them. that's why nothing gets out on the media.


then u need to get around more. i post everywhere. MOHAA ppl are the ones that seem to disagree... i post other places like for example, hip-hop forums... where i get mass agreement for the most part.


the CIA themselves admit that when the attacks happened the light was BLINKING RED for an attack. they knew there was going to be a BIG attack soon... they were warned by something like 50 different foreign governments about an attack... and what do they do? a few weeks before 9/11 made it so pilots couldnt have weapons... and i had a friend who flew many times prior to 9/11 and said all the cockpit doors were locked... so y werent they locked on this plane??

GO AWAY!! THIS IS A GAMING FORUM NOT AN ANTI-GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY THEORIST SITE.

STOP THIS MADNESS NOW! WE MUST ONLY BE POLITICALLY CORRECT ON THESE FORUMS DAMN IT! NO MORE CURSING EITHER!

Now I want all of you to read this book over the weekend and report back to me on it.

Aww man i hate homework!

(Is that a hate crime?)

Yeah, people are really gonna change the way they feel about you now.





Right.



Go play conspiracy theatre somewhere else...

Too Exclusive is a moron wrapped inside of a turd

Too Exclusive- Did you ever stop to think that people might feel the way about the 9/11 tragedy the way you feel and reacted to the Holocust-another horrible tragedy? think about that the next time you post.

you're comparing two completely different things here... i got offended because they thought i believed that the holocaust was a hoax... putting fuckin words in my mouth without knowing what they're talking about... all i did was point out that ppl who believe holocaust was a hoax are neo nazis and are completely opposite of my group. i got offended because of that person's ignorance. if you're going to criticize me, LEARN something about me first.

I know all I need to know about you-- you're a fraud screaming for attention with no humanity

I hadn't thought about it before, TE, but UV is right. There are MANY people out there that have "evidence" and "proof" that the holocaust never happened. They say the rest of us just believe what we are told and that it is part of a larger conspiracy. And quite frankly, these two conspiracy intersect in Israel. So for you to get outrageously offended at one idea, but still think we are ignorant for not believing in your "conspiracy" is really just narrow mindedness on your part. We aren't the problem. People who pick and choose facts to fit their point of view are the problem, and, unfortunately for you, that's where you fit in.

TE I asked a question, I didn't say it was you just stated that the ideas seemed similiar. I don't think you're paranoid because THEY really are out to get you, in fact by posting here you may be allowing the US Govt. to trace you. They may be watching you right now via satellite. I heard that if you line your clothing and your windows with foil that you may be able to hide but I dunno. You are opening many eyes here on the web, so I'm only thinking of your well being when I suggest it may be safer to lay low and stay off the pc for a few weeks.
Good luck

i challenge ANYONE to show me a shred of evidence that the holocaust never existed. saying 9/11 was an inside job is saying there's a differnet murdered to a crime... saying the holocaust never happened is saying that those people NEVER went into those camps, and saying that the survivors got numbers tattooed on their arms after the war... there's a BIG difference in accusing somebody else of a crime than saying a crime never happened. we have a name for ppl who believe the holocaust doesn't exist, and it's NOT conspiracy theorists, it's neo-nazi anti-semetic fucks. and saying that i believe the holocaust doesn't exist is calling me a neo-nazi anti-semetic fuck, and i am in NO way shape or form racist.

Not that I agree with them, they are just rabble rousers, but they are saying a HOLOCAUST didn't happen. They aren't saying people weren't rounded up and put in camps and many even killed. They dispute the numbers since it can't be proved since most corpses were burned leaving only ash. So it's impossible to prove that as many Jews died as is claimed. That's the neo nazi arguement. Now, what you are doing is taking bits of circumstantial coincidences and saying they are fact and evidence of a coverup and conspiracy. The simplest explanation is always the correct explanation. The terrorists learned how to fly planes, but not land them. They were extremist muslims. They hijacked planes and flew them into buildings. Seems pretty straight forward.
Now, here's a conspiracy for you. TWA flight 800 shot down over Long Island Sound because they may have thought it had been hijacked and was going to be flown into a building. Many witnesses say they saw a missle strike it, but the NTSB said "no, just a malfunction." At least that conspiracy makes sense in the post 9/11 world.

now that's pretty much what the official story does... COMPLETELY based off HUGE coincidences... so if u believe the official story u believe a HUGE coincidence.

I remember hearing about TWA 800. Civilians say they saw a rocket, officials say a 'bird" got sucked into the jetengine. (that's the way I heard it)

so what did you guys hear that makes u believe TWA flight 800 was shot down?

800???

its a navy test area near there and multiple vet's saw a missile come from the water and hit the plane, it went up then plumeted into the ocean... defying the laws of aerodynamic flight? there is a photo on the net (google impared) of a cruise missile flying under the wing of a airline over the desert (in the usa)... you could see the warning labels on it.... photo from inside the plane and all the passengers at the windows.... did the gov. shoot down 800? dont know... could it have been a missile from a terrorist???? maybe... they said (a witness) that it came from a smaller boat. that is what I remember about it.... regardless there is a cover up, the gov might not want people knowing that we were that secure, or give credit to them. the other plane after 9-11 that went down in NYC, I think was a little strange as well.... but the NTSB "know's more then GOD..." the people that put 800 back together saw many holes (like buckshot) in the area of the explosion. (this is what I remember, go ahead TE... school us....

Ask yourself this, why would the goverment spend thousands of dollars to shoot down one commercial airliner that is of no strategic importance what so ever. I know that conspiracy theorist out there have some fantastic answer for this question. So lets hear it.

heh... to tell you the truth guys, i don't know much about flight 800 at all =X that's y i asked :/

if the us shot it down it was by accident, what I think is a terrorist group shot it down but the ntsb does not want people afraid to fly so they said it was something else, like a fuel line explosion.... a plane with out a nose to break through the air making it aero dynamic would drop like a brick... not fly higher...

its not that i think the dudes a nut job for questioning the governemt...i think hes a nut job for how outrageous his claim is...this guys' a fucktard



V

just remember people, when your house burns down...its not because you left a candle burning all night, or you dropped your cig on the carpet....george bush did it!!! blame him



V

I dont doubt that the navy MAY have accidently shot down an airliner or like 100's of witnesses saw a "flare" reach out from a boat and hit (that point they think it was a missile) TWA FLT 800. it was around 13000 feet above the water 3000 outside of handheld range.... but.... thats really not that far outside the range.... i could see the NTSB not wanting to tell people that a rocket hit the plane. they do it in the east, Iraq, afganistan, isreal etc... the plane had to be flying lower because another plane was going above it. I dont really consider consipracy theories BUT Flight 800 really does make sense. There is a pic on the net (which i cant find now) of a tomahawk cruise missile flying REALLY CLOSE to a airliner in the same direction. if that happens well.... why not consider it? most avation experts (so far as i know) consider the NTSB's version of the impact and the related upword turn then dive to be unreliable and areodynamically not possible. a plane w/o a nose cone let alone without a cabin etc... to be able to fly up gaining speed then dive down and crash into the water... nahhh... make a paper airplane and fly it, crush the end of the plane up then toss it again. it didnt go up.... more like tossing a brick. shit ask behemoth, he flys the lil planes around...

It really doesn't matter who shot it down, if it was shot down at all. It happend years ago and Im sure the families of those who died would like to stop talking about simply because they would like to move on in their lives, instead of constantly talk about the greatest tragedy of their lives.