I am completely at a loss to understand how anyone could be this much of a

http://www.forsakethetroops.net

For a bit more information, including a link to an interview with the guy, swing by the BoM forums.

oh God please tell me this guy lives near me.....

Defiance found an addy on the guy.... don't know if it's real or fake though.

The Addy is bogus as well as the number.
Address is a shoping mall.

plz tell me its in driving distance......there has to be a way to find this guy.....hopefully he lives in buffalo.

lmao, who really cares?

There's a lot of people that believe like this. They just need to be found and dealt with.

i do. i care, i care about what my kids have to deal with in the future. will they have to worry about some nut job blowing up a school my grandkids will be in. how about gettinng coffee with a friend and the coffee shop blows up like in israel? how long do you think it will be? think shit (it is shit) like what this tard is saying dont seep into the minds of the stupid? look at the 14 pg post about what "really" happened. and sad thing is theres 10,000 others like that. these guys are getting killed and mamed to stop this kinda stuff from happening. to keep these nuts off our soil. think about it, what do you think the first reaction is going to be (the first hour) when some terrorist cell (assume arab / muslim) sneaks into a mall and detonates? the first american beheading on US soil? the nice arab guy that lives around the corner is going to die you will see mass panic and rioting. guilty by association of race or religion. would you feel safe if the guy next door was from Iran and on the net is live web feed of an american middle class family, mom dad, kids getting beheaded? and on CNN is live feed from Iran and iraq and egypt of thousands rejoycing in the streets? still feel safe? these guys are doing there best keeping shit from hitting american streets. they deserve better then that. a scam to get money, by playing on the american public's sense of morality. shit aint right and he deserves to get popped for it.

I am with POB on this topic!

thought i would post on this while i was waiting for diesel to post

i couldn't believe that...ya guys like that should be found and just shot right there. what idiots! if anything we aren't being mean enough over there because they have no hearts in killing our civilians and to beat them we need to be heartless also. we hear to much about our men dieing now but do you guys still remember the feeling we all got when you watched us dropping bombs on them. that feeling was GREAT! if our soldiers need an extra billion dollars im glad to pay for it with my tax dollars!

If you believe this than you're just about as bright as the moron who is running that website. Do you honestly think that there is a large percentage of the population that would ever support that platform? As for the website itself, it's tragic that people feel compelled to act and feel that way, and to me it was way off base and ignorant. The fact that someone would be so divisive is also very alarming. To voice concern and reasonably protest is necessary, but that website is a disgrace.

You have to meet too exclusive. he will introduce you to all of them....

If I had even the slightest clue what you posted Silver, I might just be able to respond. Unfortunately I do not, and I still stand by what I said.

Too Exclusive is the guy who posted all the 9-11 stuff here.

hummm sorry cupcake (excuse my keyboard some buttons are acting up) wasnt refering to anything you said just making a mention to a guy who posts here Too Exclusive. he has posted such things as.... click here
OR HERE
and here

that should help.... I hope he visits your forum next....

anyone who doesnt support our troops (i think) they should be fuckin sent to iraq we give them sorry bastards nothing and let them fend for themselves. I will PERSONALLY kill anyone who say something bad about our troops who are defending the freedom of this country. I say we do what we did in WWII, round up all the fuckin towel heads, and stick them in freakin detention camps. better yet why dont we just deport them mofos? BECAUSE THIS COUNTRY WONT DO WHAT IS NEEDED BECAUSE OF ALL THE FUCKIN LIBERAL TOUCHY-FEELY, PUSSY ASS, PANTYWAISTS WHO SAY "YOU CANT DO THAT! THATS INHUMANE". . Honestly. While our soldiers are being brutally maimed and beheaded, the damned democrats wont let this country do what it needs to do. We need to be 10x as brutal as them bastards but all the fuckin pussies in this country make a stink about it. Fuck 'em dems dont like it then they can kiss my ass and go live in fuckin iraq and we'll see how long it takes them to cry back to W, and plead for us to rescue their sorry asses.


well, thats my arguement for the morning.

So, I'm not sure, but are you saying that you don't like democrats? lol

yup hate them touchy-feely bastards

Silver, I have to respond here to your heavy incite into humanity because I think RD locked the thread. I do not pretend to understand humanity; it was just a joke. Don't be one of those people who take himself so seriously, like ML.


BB

Jak, I'm having a hard time understanding what you are saying. This man with this website needs to be dealt with, not the people that don't support the platform. This man has gone way over than just nonsupport.

damn right YOU GO POB!

You're confused, as I was referring to the "lot of people" terminology used in your first post. That there is, as I put it, "a large percentage of the population," or, in other words, a substantial amount of citizens, that support the foolish and ignorant ideas posted on that website is just not true. Silver I do know Too Exclusive, at the time I just couldn't figure out what you meant.

And to TheGhost, you certainly had some interesting thoughts, most alarming of which was this line: I say we do what we did in WWII, round up all the fuckin towel heads, and stick them in freakin detention camps. better yet why dont we just deport them mofos?.

Well, first of all, during World War II, we were not at war with, as you say, any "towel heads." By towel heads I'll assume you mean Arab Muslims, but you could also be referring to Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Afghanis, or any other number of Asian ethnicities. Those interned were Japanese and German citizens, mainly Japanese in the West. Secondly, although the use of detention camps was upheld in Korematsu vs. U.S. (1944), it is simply unconstutional and UNAMERICAN because the vast majority of those interned were merely of Japanese descent and had committed no crime.

Furthermore, we cannot simply deport someone because they look different. If you want to live in another century, build a time machine. Otherwise, give those of different ethnicities and religions the respect they deserve.

Moving on, your comments on the war were certainly interesting. If our armed forces acted in a manner in which you wish they would, how much respect do you think they, or the country in general, would garner? The Geneva Convention Standards are in place for a reason. And, unfortunately for your proposition, the United States cannot live in a bubble. For one, we are WAY too dependent on foreign oil for that.

I'm also not sure as to why you stated all "dems," presumably Democrats, but I think you intended liberals who don't support the war, should go live in Iraq and then have the President save them. Why should people who don't think we should be there in the first place go to Iraq. This is the current administration's doing, not any raging liberals, and as such, the President should be responsible.

It's also nice to know that you would kill anyone who did not support the troops. Well goddamn, slap my ass and call me billy! What the fuck does "Support the Troops" mean exactly anyways. I'd be interested to know what you or anyone else on this forum has done to support the troops. Putting a bumper sticker on your SUV alonside your American flag and W2004 sticker doesn't seem to cut it to me. Do you even know anyone serving in Iraq? I do.

everyone has the right to their own opinion, guess i look at it this way....
i can embrace all sorts of diffrent cultures and idea's. my worry is this, they are bringing gorrilla warfare to the streets of USA. this is my worry that they are (and have been) using the freedom afforded to us by the constitution against us. (kinda fucked up) now i believe in racial profiling, i believe it works. i live in a safe town, the police use racial profiling here (not publicly but you see them pulling over alot of minorities). why.... i assume thats what they are doing. do i care...yes and no. it aint right but it keeps the thugs away and sad to say that it causes problems for people that didnt do shit (me being one of them). i have been harrassed by the police since i moved in and no one in this town give a rats ass. i dont think we should lock up unconvicted people and toss away the key. we need to round up all these illegal aliens and such and get rid of them. we need to protect the us from mexico. build a large wall and if they come over shoot them. also going about half a mile in the ground would be nice so they stop digging under it. lets put the war on drugs on hold and fight the war on terror and secure our country. up here (buffalo ny) we border canada and we have a fair amount of people being snuck across the border but the border patrol is doing so much better now that they have better funding, and better equipment. we need this in place all over the US borders. there are terrorists in this country right now and anyone that thinks otherwise is an optimist. i support the troops in my own way. just remembering that what they are doing might just be keeping suicide bombers and large infulx of muslim extremists off our soil. (not that we dont have a training camp on best street in buffalo) but if they didnt go into afganistan then we might not be in the same place as we are now. as for iraq we had to do it. if it wasnt us then it would have been someone else. there was no wapons of mass distruction but there were thousands being killed at random by saddam. he had to go!
the sticker on the back of the SUV serves as a reminder, you dont want to put money in someones pocket, paint it on the car. well i dont know but i know one thing we treated the german prisioners during WWII great. the ones that came back to the us like our own soldiers. that worked out good. gitmo i would like to see a little better reason why we are keeping some (just to help it out with the mental picture, i know we are doing bad stuff, but so are the terrorists)

speaking of terrorists- the word terrorist should mean an (fill in the blank) extremist that wants to do harm to and or cause panic to civilans. i was less upset that the pentagon was hit then i was about the WTC. the pentagon is our war machine so its open to attack.

who are we fighting a war with screwball? Iraqis knucklehead.

Fuck them. They kill our troops we kill them motherfuckers. And plus just them BEING here poses a threat because of the widespread hatred against Americans that comes with their religion.


Do you see any other fuckin army following that Geneva Convention bullshit?? No ya don't. Fuck the Geneva Convention.



Yeah I DO happen to know someone in the Armed Forces serving in Iraq. Lets see now: My uncle is currently over there for his 2nd time, two of my cousins are over there, my friends dad is, and my dad was over there and now hes back. So shut the fuck up asshole until you know about something like that.

Oh and by the way... my dad lost his left hand, and one of my cousins lost both his legs. So SHUT THE FUCK UP SHITHEAD.

Ghost I'll be honest and tell you that I got quite a kick out of your last post. Silver, at least your's was somewhat reasonable. Unfortunately I just have not seen any guerilla warfare here on the streets of Atlanta, maybe I'm missing something? Anyways, I really just want to reply to Ghost.

Firstly, I as pointing out your reference to WWII concentration camps for those of Japanese and German heritage to illustrate it's irrelevance to today's world. Back then, we knew who our enemy was. Now, it can be anybody who dislikes America or deems there is cause to attack America, what it stands for, and how it functions as part of the world. Think of how many places Al Queda operates in the world, the FBI and CIA have confirmed this numerous times. And yet we are to assume that all of those people who are members of Al Queda, associate with it, or simply support their 'cause' are all the same? Furthermore, the term "towel heads" is so vague and racist in iteslf that I still don't know who you are talking about.

Moving on to #2: Your use of the word "them" is examplary here. So good in fact, that one might be tempted to use it as a perfect example of how NOT to write. Anyways, my point centered around the fact that all Muslims, Arabs, or otherwise Asians as you would like to believe are not terrorists or insurgents. I also don't understand how people that are here, in America, are also simultaneously halfway around the world killing our troops.

And now to #3: The insurgents fighting in Iraq are not an organ of any state, nor a regular army, and as such are terrorists. They should be dealt with as such. In addition, there are numerous countries that abide by the Geneva Convention: Great Britain, France, Germany, Austria, Holland, Belgium, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Italy, Spain, South Africa...the list goes on. I'd hate to see the shape of the world were countries not obligated by basic human decency to abide by the Geneva Convention. You should read John Keegan's "War and our World." It's nice and short, just a compilation of essays. It might broaden your horizons and change how you think of war. Has anyone else read this book (Druid, RD?), I thought it was fascinating.

And don't get all emotional about someone serving in Iraq. My cousin's husband, a Marine, has had 4 surgeries on the left side of his face after he was hit by shrapnel on his 2nd tour. It makes me sad beyond all measure to see him in the condition he's in now, but that doesn't mean I'll lose my convictions, opinions, or ideals. Give it a rest, and don't tell me to shut the fuck up please.

I'm just trying to say that Americans should have learned from the Vietnam War how NOT to treat our sevicemen. This person running this website is another Jane Fucking Fonda.(Sorry to be so blunt). You didn't buy her book did you?

Jane who...ahaha, jk. No, I'm not that liberal, nor that old lol.

blak,
no i was being very extreme when i said that. i mean we would have to have a total social and govermential break down before something that scale ever happened. but i guess what i mean is that the actions of one person and one race has a direct effect and action on the rest of their culture and race. there are americans (WASP) that have relations with terrorist orgs. reciently there was evidence that Timmy Mcveigh (excuse my ignorance as to the spelling of his name...well spelling in general) that peaked my intrest a lil. no this guy should be beaten for his own monetary gains. 4500 to shut down the site. asshole....
i just think that untill we take srious what is going to happen in america when they do get us (its a matter of time) i fear for all the people that have escaped that life to live free. they win when we take the freedom afforded to us by the fore fathers. thats what they want. FEMA and the Patroit act (some of it) seems to be a crock of shit. i dont mind the intrusion to protect the american public on a large scale butthey need to stay out of the personal life of people that dont fit a terrorist profile.
example, an american family that has been here for more then one generation and has not visited with or made transactions with a unknowen foreign trade. the guy at the corner that has been here for a few years and has pics of his kids holding ak-47's and rocket launchers in iraq should be investigated. the muslim assylum(?) on best st. in buffalo click here
im a weird person blak and im not posting this for anyother reason, this has been on local news and is talked about around here. people are afraid, the area it is in is not a good neighborhood (i wouldnt walk through it...i would run very fast) and the people i know down there say the samething...they watch this joint a lot. now to make seriously bad dudes worry is not something to take lightly. if something does happen the uneducated (armed) population might react and it will not be plesant.

i really want this topic locked. its really starting to piss me off in general.i really dont see why people actually support that site that this topic started for.

Blakjak im sick and tired of you so just drop it.

End of disscussion. Period.

lol...
Ghost this topic has to deal with more then you. im sorry you got upset with it but just because people see things diffrently then you dont mean they will go away.
and blak is just putting up very well thought out disscussion.

Is my higher reasoning or educated analysis aggravating you. I would like to agree with Silver, but yes Real, please lock this thread before numbnut's head explodes. Silly bullshit posts that do little but reveal how ignorant the poster is are a waste of everyone's time. Don't blab; no one, least of all me, will take you seriously. If you want to debate, please make some reasonable, thought-out posts. As Benny would say, Goddamn!

THAT WILL BE THE DAY!!!!

lol indeed silver haha

Wow, I really didn't mean to spawn such an argument here. But I think we all agree that this guy is wacko, and that no matter how you feel about our situation in the War on Terror, his position is unacceptable. When people at home stop supporting the troops, wars are lost. Someone mentioned Viet Nam. Perfect example.

During and immediately after the Tet Offensive of 1968, the U.S. military had scored huge victories. The Viet Cong were never again able to field full battalions, and this put the bulk of the fighting duties on the North Vietnamese army. However, the U.S. media portrayed the offensive as a defeat on our part, and a lot on the U.S. population lost faith in the military's claims that we were about to win the war. With the opposition to the war dramatically incresing after Tet '68, political pressure was applied to Johnson and leter Nixon, which led to the strategy of Vietnamization (training the Vietnamese to fight instead of us). This would have been fine, except that the South Vietnamese had nothing to fight for. The government established in Saigon by the U.S. was horribly corrupt, and no ARVN (Army of the Republic of Viet Nam) soldier wanted to fight for it. So ,after we pulled out and left the war in their hands, the NVA (North Vietnamese Army) made quick work of them.

The key point here is that the major turning point in the "war" (I put that in quotes because war was never formally declared) occurred when the average U.S. citizen lost faith in the military, and a small percentage (Jane Fonda and the extremists within the Antiwar Movement) deprecated our troops. It scares me that someone out there is seeming to do the same thing, and I truly hope that this opinion does not spread. I am at a loss as to how anyone can have such hatred for the men and women who secure our liberties and attempt to share them with the rest of the world.

I don't care who you are, what your political background is, how much you dislike our government, or even how much you dislike the military in general, you've got to have support for the soldiers themselves. Without that, we will not win in any war, and we will soon lose the freedoms that these soldiers are trying to uphold.

Blackjak brings up a very interesting point with the "support the troops" flag pasted on everyones car. To me thats nothing more than a fad for most people, go back 20 years and the same people would have the stupid "baby on board" type of things in their window. ( I wonder how many people are old enough to remember that ).
I'll check out the book you mentioned.

Two things stand out in my mind when I think about people in the military.
1st would be a book called Starship Troopers written by Robert Heinlein.
If your thinking the bug movie you would be right but the movie tossed out everything worthwhile in the book and what it was really about, positive aspects of military service. The book was really about the idea only people who volunteered for federal service (in the military or otherwise) are permitted to vote and hold political office. Everyone was the same except the right to vote. People still serving couldn't vote but veterans could. The reason being, they have shown that they could "place the welfare of the group ahead of personal advantage."
The second would be a trip to D.C. in 1984, we were doing all the normal sight-seeing stuff. Happen to hear that Ronald Reagan was going to give a public speech so we went to see it. The speech happen to be at Arlington National Cemetery. The reason, which I didn't know at the time was the interment of the last of the 4 unknown soldiers.
I remember walking through the cemetery towards the Memorial Amphitheater where the speech was going to be held. On the way to the Amphitheater we crossed probably the biggest hill there, happen to turn to take a look around to see rolling hills and perfect rows of tombstones as far as you could see in every direction. It was a very sobering experience.
After the speech we went to visit the tomb, the side facing the Amphitheater has an inscription which reads.
HERE RESTS IN
HONORED GLORY
AN AMERICAN
SOLDIER
KNOWN BUT TO GOD
I still remember it 20+ years later because I almost broke into tears when I read it.

As sickening as I find the website you pointed to, truth is that's the dark side of free speech and you can't have one without the other.

This topic is old but...

Druid and Blakjak speak reason. my 2c.

And the whole uproar over this website.. I mean, seriously, I just don't understand the fervor which this country feels it owes to its troops, as if somehow putting on that uniform makes you untouchable. No, honor and character are things which you still have to earn.

And let's not forget. This is a volunteer army, and like any volunteer army, it deserves extra commendation when its volunteers make the CHOICE to put their lives on the line for a worthy cause like WWII, and it deserves some shame when its volunteers make the CHOICE to put their lives on the line for something so ridiculously political and greedy like, oh, the Spanish-American War. For some of you out there, DO NOT THINK I AM DENIGRATING THE CURRENT TROOPS, I am merely saying that putting on the uniform, in and of itself, doesn't make you suddenly venerable and sacred.

Those guys who signed up because of 9-11, they deserve credit. Those guys who signed up because of IRaq, well, that's their choice. But that doesn't make them automatically MY hero, nor should my opinion suddenly make me the most liberal america-hating communist to ever disgrace this side of the continental divide.

And c'mon, let's not be so naive to think that lost the Vietnam War (or 'military action') because american public opinion turned, although that didn't help. How about... Vietnamese public opinion turning against us, or the ridiculous rules of engagement imposed by the Johnson and Nixon administrations, how about our fear that China would get involved? As some presidents have shown, and continue to show, war can be waged with or without public consent.

anyone who doesnt support our troops,, shoud watch "The true story of black hawk down" so the understand what some of our troops have to deal with to live or protect others.

how about just watchng black hawk down. the reports of that incident were never investigated by the govt. and was investigated by a phily reporter and that investigation was accepted by the army. the book leaves out very little from the movie (they are very alike)

wearing the unifrom dont make you a hero, being in the service and letting your life be put on the line does. they are hero's... from the guy sitting in a pushing a pencil in alaska to the guy on the 50 cal a top the humv.

america needs to make a stand and stop the terrorist acts around the world. ignoring a bees nest wont make it go away.

The black hawk down story is an incredible read.
Here is a very in depth review of it done by the Philly Inquirer.
http://inquirer.philly.com/packages/somalia/sitemap.asp

If anyone doesn't know what a hero is, well here is a story of 2 heroes.
Mike Durant's copter was the 2nd one to go down.
The only available rescue team had already roped down to the 1st crash site, leaving no one to protect Durant's crash site.
There where two Delta team snipers providing over-watch strapped to outside benches mounted on a little M-6 helicopter. They requested and were given permission to go in to try and defend Durant's downed helicoper until a rescue team could arrive. 2 men armed with only sniper rifles go in to defend Durant and his crew agaisnt a 100+ mob. Both men died defending the helicopter crew.
Hero's in my book

im not sure if any of you seen this link.
http://michaelcrooktalks.com/node/203

On forsakethetroops.net it says that Michael Crook owns the site but i guess the who thing is a hoax.

this is what people need to see. these men gave their live ON PURPOSE to try and save the piolts life. basically they knew they were gonna die but they wanted the mob to get through them first no matter what.

Yep Opeth this guy is bringing trolling to a new level and format.

our soldiers were vastly out numbered...by some estimates thousands... and they survived!

we are asome bad ass mother fu@kers!

now for of all im not going to comment on the site, because i have no clue what it's about because apparently at the time of my posting it, it's shut down. so if someone can explain what it's about i can comment. I defend the right of free speech to the fullest no matter what you say. should people that burn the american flags on american streets be arrested? no. should they be ridiculed by others? in my opinion, yes. but they hsouldnt be arrested because that's their right to free speech.

now going way back to wat ghost said about them hating america being part of their religion, that shows how little you actually know. NOWHWERE IN THE KORAN does it say anything about hating freedom. the MEDIA portrays it to be part of their religion, but dont forget, islam is 1000's of years old, america is 230 years old. nowhere in their religion does it talk about blowing themselves up or hating freedom. trust me on that one.

now it's your right to free speech whether you support the troops or not. i definitely support my troops. i have talked to about 10 different families of people who have lost loved ones in Iraq. one of them, a woman whose name i wont mentioned, opposed the UN resolution to go to Iraq, and basically ever since, has had government monitoring up her ass, phones tapped, e-mails read, cameras placed in her house, people do searches of her house... and this is an innocent old woman who did absolutely nothing and lost her son in Iraq. that type of shit is un called of and evidence that they really dont care about "terrorists", but rather terrorizing innocent people like her.

I believe it was druid who spoke of arlington cemetery. i was there on april 14th of this year and i did go to the tomb of the unknown soldier (that hill is a pain in the ass to climb isnt it? ). it was very touching seeing that, although the changing of the guard ceremony was boring :/ while i was there (unfortunately i was already at the tomb when this happened) there was a howitzer salute for some foreign general. I heard the howitzers loud and clear, but didn't know they were howitzers at first. it was sobering, i agree druid.

the troops i spoke to there that were in uniform all seemed to disagree with the war. although whenever i see a troop, veteran or still serving, i always salute them. so i guess i support my troops but that depends on what you mean by supporting the troops. i admire the troops, i dont support the war. i would fight if it was a war i agreed with, not some war that was planned in the 90's by Paul Wolfowitz and Dick Cheney :/

Well, basically it had a bunch of pictures of troops with captions like "More trained baby-killers" etc. And then it had this guy's opinion that the troops should havbe to pay for their own housing, weapons, and stuff. Then he had news clips about soldiers dying with titles like "Nine more stupid Marine fuckers have their careers blow up in their faces"

well, he does reserve the right to free speech... unfortunately... but i reserve the right to beat the shit outta him =)

actually no i dont have that right... but im giving it to myself anyway