Hey Guys,

I was on Barb today and the teams were really stacked. I mean we had not even opened one of their bases and they had taked out all of our bases. Our highest score was like 8 and they were in the 50's after the first round. I was complaining about the teams being stacked and was only laughed at. My question is, is team stacking allowed? If yes, I guess I would hop over to the team thats stacked and be an ass. But I would rather it not be allowed because the game is shit if they are stacked. If it is not allowed, should someone be kicked? Who? highest on that team? then when they come back thell them they must be on the other team? Dont quite know what the rules are for this and want to clarify it. I just really hate it when people team stack.

Team stacking isn't allowed on our servers. On occasion, {MOB & [REGS] will TS, just because. Who was on when it happened? Was it our clan or other clans?

haha, i love Tstacking with fellow MOB guys, but i suck at barb so me on their team doesn't matter too much...

i have never seen teams stacked badly. only on cassino and it doesn't matter there.

lol.

Nothing, I assumed all your whining was supposed to be humourous - although it did become somewhat annoying.

Frankly, I dont see how the teams were stacked. I was playing German (Nothing was Russian) and I dont think I recognized more than 1 or 2 names on my team that I'd consider Barb 'regulars.' There were two guys on German from the same clan, but they werent that overpowering.
Yes, we beat up on the Russian side pretty good, but sometimes it's just luck of the draw who you get on your team.

So just suck it up, and enjoy the game!

Hi Nothing,

The Major is correct, as I understand it, team stacking isn't allowed on {MOB} servers. However, it does happen as two or three members start a match then more join in and before you know it there's a whole bunch {MOB} tags on one side or the other. It doesn't happen intentionally I believe, rather just individual team choices and an opportunity to play WITH fellow members. Certainly nothing personal, and of course, I wasn't there, but perhaps the {MOB} folks should have broken it up a little bit.

On the other hand, I have joined games that were heavily populated with {MOB} tags and hopped on board too because they all happend to be playing on the team I prefer. Before the match was over, however, I wished I had joined the other team (LOL) because of the ass kicking the opposing team dealt us. Some days it just happens that way. Sorry you had a bad experience and I'm sure someone with more clout than I can help you, but I thought I'd share what I know on the subject. BTW, it is always a pleasure playing with you in the server, as you are a great team player. CYA in there!

Germans were ahead? Gee, most days it seems like the Germans are always behind. The map allows Russians to get bases breached very easily, while the Germans have a more tricky task to get that done.

As for the score issues... get those bases cracked. Everyone on the team gets a free set of shiny new 4 points for every base breached and another 4 points for a destruction event. Whoever gets the last shot on breaching a particular base gets a bonus 4 points. So at the start of the 2nd round, everyone on the team should have had at least 12 points.

(Boosting your team's individual scores is one of the few reasons as to why it's worthwhile to breach G1 or R2 before the last 10 minutes of a round. If you have half the team at 36-39 points, breaching G1 would push them all into arty rank.)

MOB is against team stacking, but it's hard not to play on the same side as your friends. I totally understand. But we shouldn't let it get too out of hand. If everyone does it for one match, well, they should probably split teams after the 10 minute match is done...LOL!
To keep the map fun for ourselves, tho, we need to keep it fun for everyone. So we shouldn't get too lopsided too often. I know it happens sometimes, but I don't think we get too bad (although I don't play barb much anymore).

Yeah, what's up with that?

Barb blows...

Bobs map = 3133t

First, There was only one MOB member in there and he was on the losing end.

Second, Canuck, It was easy to see the teams were very lopsided. I never complained any other time I have had my ass handed to me. This was just wrong and should not be allowed. It was really a pathetic game and thats what turns people away from the servers.

Seeing as you were the only one talking crap when I mentioned the teams were stacked, you must really like that type of play? Sorry, I like winning against a good team. Not against a bunch of Noobs. When I mentioned the teams were stacked, why not look at the horrible score and agree instead of denying it. Yea there were not allot of regulars, the it seemed like there were way too many noobs on one team. Thats my point in this, if you want to just laugh and say im bitching then

not that im bitchen but i have noticed this especially on stocks! its not just mob at all but there are alot of regulars that play there and wait to see wich CERTAIN player or players join what team.with the exception of certain times ,your either on the good team or the tard team.it teaches the noobs to try and switch or quit! i always auto pick my teams but ive noticed certain people who always take atleast 3 to 5 min to join any map-its llame! i love being able to get inthe games on stocks when the teams are even because there are by far the best players in the game that play here and its very competitive!

havent seen it that much on barb though!

Look, in most situations I switch teams if I think things are WAY too one sided. However, looking at the teams during this game I wasnt familiar with anyone on either side. I didnt know who was a 'noob' and who wasnt. I didnt even know most of the members on my team. Yes, our scores were much better - but I'm not going to punish myself for winning by switching sides all the time. The game ended pretty quick, and in the next round things were redistributed again - which produced a more competitive game.

Perhaps you dont understand the concept of the "Auto-Assign" feature?

Secondly, I wasn't talking crap at all. I was merely 'lol'-ing at your complaints. You guys lost, and lost bad - so what? I really did think your complaining was just humourous bitching... hence the 'lol.'

I really dont understand your argument at all. This is a GAME. I've had my ass kicked many a times, but I dont complain about playing against a stacked team. I dont see many others complaining either. So, yeah, I'll say you're bitching AND I'll keep laughing.

I think if people were good player they would choose auto assign, don't you think?

Yeah, I'm really sorry about that. I didn't make you too depressed, did I?? LMAO

I used to switch when on a team of noobs [ sometimes regulars] kept playing nooby against a better team very very badly in spite of repeated voiced 'advice' on a good way to play a better game even if there was a loss - with this in mind why be surprised if noone cares to play on a side with only 25% of the team doing most of the work while the remainder stubbornly play in tdm camp mode nowhere near a base to defend. I'm sure most of those guys on a team that were just creamed were convinced they just lost a game of tdm!! [well the guys sitting in a tank outside their blown up last base did.]

I like challenges against a formidable team of opponents and I don't mind at all being on a losing team if they are playing the BA mission and make a half decent effort. I've switched often during mid-match to a very badly playing team in lopsided matches to even things up, sometimes it helped, but other times they kept playing over-cautiously and kept getting whoopings despite the seasoned advice given to them the entire battle to play a non-lopsided and better game.... so who can be really blamed for uneveness in some matches?

Bottom line for me is I'll take auto assign when it's a good game and with no friends about that I want to team up with that match, or if I've been working hard on a side I'll rather stay with them, win or lose. I'll switch if its a " trying hard team " having bad luck.

Pathetic games are very rare.

Well I always stack up with people that I like. Blinky, 6pak, silver, lipton etc. And if they arent there, I mainly try to get russian on barb because I like the tt33 more than the luger, I like the mosin and last but not least, the bazooka m1a1

I agree,those of us who tend to go to one side or the other do so more because of weapon choice. Cross and Radiation go into withdrawal if they go too long without getting their hands on their dear MP44s.

With Vent, we've been guilty of a lot of team stacking in Stocks, but that has hardly given us an advantage as the competition is very fierce with plenty of good players on the opposite side.

I have noticed that if MOB members go to German in Italy, the opposite side is usually made up of noobs, or the real hard-core types who just want to kill MOB people!

i only go germans if i'm really desperate to play or if i'm along side with samoan and any other mob. even if most all MOB or the good guys are germand, i would ALWAYS prefer allies. i hate german weapons at barb...the PPSh is so much better at base clearing then the 44

IIRC, the MP44 has more stopping power per round. It's more suited for medium-range combat then CQB. The MP40 is the light machine gun that matches up against the PPsH (designed for closer in combat).

I dislike the german side on Barb because it's too easy to spawn-rape that 3-sided shelter. Which is why I've developed Dolphin Girl Radar™ so that I can hunt her down as she drives through the middle valley in a jeep.

I ALWAYS do Auto Assign. But I prefer the German side. It's definitely more difficult, and the MP44 is my fav. weapon by far. It's deadly accurate even over longer ranges.

Well the only place I prefer Germans over Russians/Americans are mainly the AWE servers, or Foy.

Further I prefer Americans and Russians mainly because the Colt and the T33. MP40 is good at AWE, MP/STG 44 is good at snapshots, mosin is a flawless riffle. BAR is good at Snapshots, so is the M1 Garand, M1(a1) is good for 1 vs midrange, Thompson is just steady, and not that bad a midrange(PPSH is just terible).

I would love german if it had a Tokarev 33 and a bit more powerfull Machine Pistole 40.

canuck i do see that you auto even on kursk! the only chain i see is- noob plyr auto selects ,noob team gets owned,players from german team get switched into noob team and openly bitch about it and then quit!

everyone has there pref on who the play germ or allie-its just the same pussies that wait 3 to 5 min so they can not be on the tard team that piss me off. i love fri nights ,allthough it takes me an hr to get on ,its always even teams until late at nght! awesome games!



also just to add -the stat junkies if on the noob team will switch them selves or quit in the middle of getting raped- they should be made fun of till their no skill ass quits!

I was playing with you that night on Barb on the russian side and I told you then that the Germans were just outplaying us. We got beat bad. I except that and try to love it when I give it out or get it. Now about your avator do you know this lady?

i'd love barb with americans.......can that ever be arranged?

It's historically impossible.

Technically, it's possible... but not historically accurate. (It simply requires a server-side mod file.)

american side- M1a1 all the time or in house to house its te tommy

brit- lee enfield only...

russian- mosin and for spawn killing ppsh

German- Gewer43(?) for over all fighting, m98k for long range or ambush spots, mp44 for house to house (also serves as a great semi auto long range gun!)

mostly used is the gewer43...(?)

BTW scopes are for Pussy noobs that cant shoot.... you wont see me carry a scope unless its one I took off the noob I killed.

above all pistols are american, then brit, then russian... germans luger sux dead hairy sewer rat testicles

I ussally dont team stack I go against the fellow mob ppl...

That's true

I always choose not to german, on every map..........
Krauts!

The-Blind-Norwegian

so?

I often pick the team opposite the Regs folks (which means Germans) if I come in late to a round. That way I can get in my quota of killing off Goosedown, Sgt Thomas and Dolphin Girl for the week.

Besides, it's more challenging (okay... annoying) to have an enemy who can predict your tactics.

Russians have better pak guns.

I like krauts...kraut ladies arent bad

stick to your dutch ladies, feezy.


i don't care if its historically impossible, i think it'd be awesome.

and silver, some guys are really good with the sniper there. like lyonheart. they aren't all noobs. and from my experience 2/3 of the russians take the PPSh not for spawnkilling but because no one can use a rifle like you and i can.(feezy too !) and i love the luger. i'm amazing with it at cassino. i hat the brit pistol, 6 rounds meh.


scrapyardbob after your map is done, you should figure out how to make americans on barb.

Just because your losing and playing with a bunch of Noobs, doesn't mean you have to lose the game. That's when you have to step up, be a leader and give direction to your team. That's what the team needs sometimes to have a great come back.

Being a leader means: telling your team that you need people at Def at a certain base or telling people to cover a certain area. Telling your team to bring more tanks to the base for protection. Sometimes a little direction can go a long way.

From my experience in Barb, most people will step up to the plate. Often I have asked who is D and who is O. You'll see most people on your team typing in the position they will take. You can also have the highest scoring people use there arti to take down the bases while the majority hold D, once you get back to a more equal position with the other team, the game is more challenging.

Often times telling people not to breach a certain base will help as well, most of the time they listen.

Just some food for thought.

I think that for Barb is still one of our most popular servers. I see a lot of regular players who all work together. Most are not mob regs. But it sure is alot of fun when a bunch of us get on. Most of the time we are laughing so hard at the stupid things we do....we end up losing.

When you have a bad day there's nothing better than getting on vent with a bunch of MOB and Regs and having some good laughs....the day seems so much better!:):

P.S. you forgot to sign...... By Health pak

I agree 6 pak. The only problem was that most of my teammates that game seemed like they were 9 years old or something. They all grouped at our base and the Germans were coming at us from every angle. I tried to get out so many times and from different sides, but constantly spawned ot killed within 20 seconds of spawn. When there is that many good players on one side, its really hard to do anything. I could make it easy and just hop over to the other side, but rather have one or two of the better players come over and make it more competitive than the slaughter it was.

IOW, your team failed to understand the importance of controlling the three passes into the Russian area (especially the North pass by R1). As a result, they got slaughtered. My #1 team-chat when I play Russians on Barbarossa? "X flank is weak" (Meaning that someone better get eyes on that flank or the Germans will use it to bottle us into our spawn area.)

(shrugs) That's why we created the Barbarossa Tactics and Strategy thread...

In that massacre situation you can only pray for the end to come quick, even a couple of good players switching at that point won't likely turn the tables. And also the fact is, will the noobs listen to sound advice to play the match better... -> when they do listen, the comeback kicks into gear, if however, they continue camping and playing tdm in useless parts of the map then that's a team not fun to switch over to since it'll be only a few players doing all the real work and getting chopped down halfway due to lack of team support.

keep in mind, DDz we cannot always make the teams the fairest it can be. there WILL be rounds when some teams have more talent then the other. but most of all, barb takes teammwork. and its evident that your team was with people who cared more about themselves then helping their buddies.

don't blame it all just one or two rounds. i've never been on barb with teams too heavily stacked thats its a complete slaughter (and i've probably played twice as much barb as you..)

Scrappy has, as always, a good point here. If the Russians let the Krauts control the area from R1 to the Russian spawn PAK, assuming that the situation is the usual R3 against G2 or G3, they(we) will be hammered to heaven in seconds. Then it is crucial to get out a smoke blanket around the spawn tanks, and regain the control of this important area.

The-Blind-Norwegian

Im glad to see the response to this topic is very good. This must be a topic that many have heard or felt something on both sides of the fence here. Although I dont believe the replies here have really helped me out with determining if a game is stacked or not. Basically from what I read, either teach the retarded how to play in a process of getting whooped, or be superman and do it yourself, lol. No, seriously, it is frustrating when you have allot of noobs on your team. I can not teach barb 101 while im trying to learn it better myself. Im not great at it, but not horrible. I like to have fun and I can see that if the teams are that lopsided I need to either just leave or switch sides and thats that. Its not what I would have liked to have happen, but I see that many feel that if the teams are as bad as I mentioned, Its not teams stacked, its take it and like it.

Going to go for just a second. Correct me IF I'm wrong but does this same thing not happen when the Cassino crowd plays on Cassino??? I believe it does, but I may be wrong...Of corurse it happens, when ppl play with their friends they want to win, ....right? So everyone might join the same team for a round or two. I'm guilty of this on Barb. (yes I finally admited to something) for the simple fact that I play the Russian side much better than I play the German side. In short, being TS'd against does suck, it happens against us but it also happens with us....Take the good with the bad & live with it.

DZ i understand what you are saying. When i'm playing with a bunch of noods i'll play Defense, i know it's boring but atleast i'll have a chance to win. Do what you want, but if no one is watching home, you will not have a home to go back to.

Well guys, I guess this topic really pisses me off so I wanted to share it all over again. I can understand that some guys generally play the same team all the time, or want to be with their friends and so on. But today I blatently seen guys switch teams because we were getting our asses handed to us. Then I hit tab to notice there were like 8 guys in spec. This just really pisses me off when this happens. Once I say something in the game, its "quit crying" "waaaa" or some other comments. This should be a fun game. I wish you had to auto assign to a team or something. These rape sessions are really terrible. I mean the server crashed during the game (thank god) and when it restarted, 2 guys switched teams and the game was much better. We even kicked their ass. The games where they are a decent battle is what I really like coming here for. When a team wins the game without the other team blowing even the one, its just a sad game and I really want no part of it.

Sorry, Nothing, there's really nothing we can do if admins aren't on the server. I know that's not what ya wanted to hear....but, that's all that can be said.

So it's okay for YOU to kick someone's ass, but not for someone to kick YOUR ass?



Sorry Nothing, but you'll get no sympathy from me.

I got in late on the game in question and I spec'd it for a while to see what was happening. I believe I was the only representative member in that game. I saw a few new names, and some familiar names but looking at the board before playing there was no indication of a terrible lopsided "stacking conspiracy" going on. I even spec'd a while before joining in, everyone was playing fairly and the game, while it was no "barn burner" was moving along at a good pace and energy.

Sorry Nothing, but I don't see what you're driving at brother. It was a game like any other and no one was stacking teams. In fact, the people playing this afternoon, (no insult intended) wouldn't know how to stack wood, let alone slam a team together just to piss you off. Second round, more of the same, then server crashed and I went to have dinner. Don't know what happened after that. If what I saw today is, in your opinion, "team stacking", perhaps you need a break from the action for a while, cause it just aint so. I promise you there is no "Team Stack Conspiracy Theory". Just gotta take the good with the bad and have fun with it. Cya on the battlefield.

Canuck, when I said we kicked their ass, It was a competetive game in which we won.


Sabot, The thing that pissed me off was there was many spec-ing and waiting for someone to go Allies so they could go german. That is what pissed me off. I never said there there was a conspiracy. I just wish/want more guys to just hop in without worrying about who is winning the battle. Be a man and step up to the plate even if for a losing effort. You guys are taking it as if I think there are guys out to get me or something. That is not the case at all. Do you all mean to tell me that you dont notice that players are waiting in spec to go to the better team when a spot opens? Really? That is what I mean by stacking.

And that's a good sentiment, Nothing... but I suspect you're preaching to the choir.

There's not really any way to enforce that. People will be people. We could possibly encourage it by kicking players who stay in spectate for more then 5 minutes. (I think that can be configured.)

It is somewhat self-limiting... it's no fun to sit in spectate while waiting for a slot on your favorite team. Plus, if the rounds are too uneven, a lot of the losing team players will bail after the round... which makes it even harder to get onto the "winning" team.