After 9-11-01 I wanted revenge for the act that were brought to my doorstep.

when we went into afganistan we took control and forced the taliban to the mountians, the people were happy! they flew kites and played music.... happy to be free...

we next go to Iraq, we invade and release the captured troops back into the population, and continue the advance...

the people didnt fly kites....

the people didnt play music...

they DID tear down the statues and celeberate the loss of sadam....

I watch the military channel and I see the towel heads crusing at our troops and wanting them out...

tell me WTF are we doing?

they dont want us there, they dont want our troops, they are killing our troops, and supporting the enemy!

TIME TO PULL OUT!!!

I think the war is getting bullshit...

someone please bring so more sense this for me...

I dont see why we are there, I dont think we should be there....

if the people wanted us there, they would help us out...

why we dont just pull out and leave the mess for the terrorists to clean up.

we should have just carpet bombed the shit out of them...

now I see the Iran process starting...

now were gonna lose more troops to a civilization that dont want our help...

WTF!

all this from a person that really thought that we were doing the right thing...

right thing would be a few nukes.... (and for thoose that thought that nukes would ruin our rep? we lost that with gitmo... and the NSA wire taps...)

feel free to express your thoughts... kinda did this to start something on the forums... its getting boring...

As much as everyone wants to pull out, including myself and all the others that backed Bush in the beginning... we can't. If we pull now, it'll make the 1,000 + troops that have died be lost for no cause. Bush is sticking to his guns. Now, I don't know if you guys watch the Daily Show but they had this Iraqi Air Force general on there a week or so ago. He was under Saddam back in the day and he said that all the WMDs were moved previous to the war into Syria. He testified that he has worked w/the WMDs and they are there. Whether or not Saddam ever planned to use them... eh, no idea. There's no way he could've gotten them into the US, so most likely he would've used them against Israel.

All and all, war = money. All the rich guys like more money so they're not looking to stop any war. Not only are we making money in the war, we'll be making more money after the war. Iraq holds the 2nd most oil in the world. Still confused why I'm paying $3 a gallon for gas though.

the gas is outragous last time this happend i remember that some ppl went on a strike in front of a citgo in front of miami the owner aka asshole was chargin 3.75 9/10 the gallon i think some1 brought a molotov cocktail but he got caught by the riot police. shame no news crews were there.

Why is it right to use nukes to get a few thugs at the top?
Also got to put things in perspective... A top dog today will not remain superior that way forever... when the tables turn, whoever is on top may not be so reluctant to use whatever super weapon is developed in the future with blind discrimination against a nation that freely threw out nukes to lay waste to a large population of innocent families in a nation in order to get at potential/perceived future threat of a few dangerous bullies. Even most of the non-Republican Guard military grunts were drafted under threat of harm to their families... so no, nuking a whole bunch of innocents seems bloodthirsty for me.

I was for the war based on such a perceived threat - highlighted by Iraqi exiles and their now proven phoney stories and saddam's denial of industrial scrutiny by Inspectors..... before anyone says Iraq's invasion was 'revenge against 9-11 terrorists from Iraq', that wasn't why Washington initiated the war. I believe it was the right thing at the time... the troops did their job; but Bush and the fat headed neo-cons let things spiral downhill after Bahgdad fell.

i have actually 3 friends over there and they send me pics of them with kids and hangin out other than patrols. my friend jason said now theyr so frustrated they want to just kill everyone,makes me very nervous.



jasons out fit was the first one to see major action as they were the ones that took ramadi in the beginning.i believe that was one of the worst battles of this conflict-any way he sent me a homemade movie of the actual battle . cant believe it but they video taped it!

you ever want to know what war is like? ill post it but its a little graphic. they put hardcore music to it in the back round.i thought it was pretty cool! VERY UP CLOSE SHOTS !

Hell yeah post it!!!!

ok,but how?i dont have a dvd burner ,any suggestions?

maybe ill use my friends and burn it to some site and add a link? you will like it h8!

this is a different one but not as big -look close at what their firing at its a little hard to see.

this is a different one but not as big -look close at what their firing at its a little hard to see.

this is a different one but not as big -look close at what their firing at its a little hard to see.

this is a different one but not as big -look close at what their firing at its a little hard to see.

this is a different one but not as big -look close at what their firing at its a little hard to see.

this is a different one but not as big -look close at what their firing at its a little hard to see.

you copy and send me the movie and I will post it man.

Hmmmm, I guess you really wanna stir up some sheet lol, so here goes.

Given the past few years, all the continued holy bombers, I honestly think we should just nuke thie entire Middle east. Turn all that sand into glass and afterwards, take over the oil and glass industries.

Ya know, I really do not feel that way, but I too am very tired of all this stupid shit. I think as long as the middle east has nuke capabilities, no one country is safe. These countries have been waring with themselves and surrounding countries for centuries. I hate that the United States goes over and sheds it's own blood for those who do not want it. I think would be very different if 9/11 never happened. I also think the United States needs to quit pussy footing around and start owning this shit. Until then, we will continue to waste lives.

If we do not want to go all the way, get the hell out and let the idiots kill each other as usual.

I know this opinion will not float but who cares.......I too am damn tired of this shit.

SORRY!

I want to say that i am for the war and i always will be. Pres. Bush did exactly what he said he was going to do, he took the war to the Terrorists and thats where the terrorists are. Now the terrorists are fighting the people that are trained to protect this country and not blowing up the people that are trying to build it. Now with that said , i don't know who is getting rich off this war and really don't care. I'm not getting rich and probably never will, but i will still fight for his right to do so and your right to voice your opinon about it. Now i don't know if Sadam was a terrorist or not, i was not in his inner circle, but i do know that he and his followers were very bad people and the world is a safer place now that they are out of power thanks to our brave soldiers. Now the problems in Iraq were not forseen by anyone, and no one can see the future. I am tired of the armchair generals in this country trying to tell everyone what should have happend or what should be happening. The people that know what's going on are the people in the field, it's the people fighting the war, don't cut them short, let them finish the job that they started. Everything will work out in the end, i promise. You can hold me to that!!!!!!!!

I agree that Saddam was/is a bad person, but take a look around at most world leaders. Same old story. When we were looking for WMDs.. actually the UN was looking, China and S. Korea were waving their arms yelling, we have some! we have some! over here, over here... choose me! Oh oh oh, we have some!

Meanwhile, we just looked the other way...as to say, we can deal with Iraq but not China or S. Korea where the shit is even worse. Now it looks like we're heading into Syria and Iran within the next year. I like the idea of taking the war to the terrorists, but really... there would never be war here and we've been disrupting attempts in this country before and since 9/11. Most of Bin Laden's people are against us because of the first Gulf War. We desecrated Holy land... so I'm sure now that we're there again really fucking shit up, it's not going to get much better. We're in a lose/lose situation, but atleast the Iraqi people are getting liberated, LMAO! Let's not worry about domestic problems in the US, let's give Iraqis all our money.

The whole idea of let's just bomb them is silly.
Would you want someone else to apply the same logic to us?
I don't think so.

The idea of trying to instill a small limited democracy in the middele east, to me shows a lot of common sense and the possibility of great rewards, although only in the future.
I think the real problem is no one thought it would be this hard to do.
I'm guessing no one foresaw the difficulties, probably because cultural differences.
1) Even though the West has many strong religious ties to seveal different doctrines , compared to the East we are almost completely secular.
2) Everything about the west is based on personal freedoms, were as the East have little or none.

BTW pezking, your wrong about BinLadin and his followesrs being against us because of the 1st Gulf War.
He helped finance an form Al-Qaeda 3 years before the Gulf War.
A little triva for those who like it
Al-Qaeda in arabic stands for "The Base", as in "base of operations for the JIHAD against the Infidels"

There are plenty of people that predicted how hard it would be to establish a democracy over there. To say that no one thought that it would be that challenging is ridiculous at best. How much money have we spent in Iraq "liberating" these people and how are we going to pay for it? If it is such a great cause, why is our government not raising taxes to pay for this war? We are stockpiling this debt like an irresponsible teenager with a brand new credit card. I have stated here before, many of us might think differently about the war if we had to be financially accountable for it; especially on an annual basis. IMO, the invasion of Iraq was a diversion to get our minds off our inadequatness to capture Osama. It is sad that so many people think we are in Iraq as a direct result of 9/11. I see difficult times ahead for this country and it's people from a financial standpoint.

when I say we should NUKE them its more along the line of what we should have done in afganistan, the mountians are their hiding spots and to even carpet bomb them is a waste of bombs. a few well placed "small" nukes would cause enough damage through land slides... I know bombs do the same but the force of a nukes would shake them more then a few 500 lb bombs.

in Iraq why is that we didnt have a faction fight the war for us?

I think its the oil in bush's pocket and the wepon technology that got usinto this war...

the past few conflicts we have had have over powered their military with our air surperiority... why ground troops? thy wont fight for their own land why shoud we?

Sure the terrorists are in Iraq now, but aren't homegrown there. Even Bush and Cheney said they were NOT going after terrorists in Iraq! It was all about the potential for global WMD chaos that was their SOLE reason for going over there... which I said already I agreed with just not how the neo-con baffoons screwed up the good work the troops/Generals had done in psyching out the enemy forces and knifing through to their objective.

I disagree about unforseen problems too, Cheney and Rumsfeld were far too smug in equating military success with objective success... it was apparent they miscalculated the required post military infrastructure set-up and being prepared for a potential insurgency especially knowing saddam's fedyeenhad gone underground to stir up civil chaos. The foreign terrorists moved into Iraq full force seeing this blunder by the Whitehouse.

It's unforgiveable the troops weren't better equipped as soon as enemy tactics changed to IEDs.... the facts show the Whitehouse dragging their feet for months in not supplying up-armoured equipment to US forces and iraqi policemen! All that while those goons, Cheney and Rumsfeld smirked on camera about how fine and dandy things were going, and even Bush daring the enemy to 'bring it on'!! Come on- isn't that crap!

Why blow up the whole Middle-East; most of the folks there are normal people like you and me... generally the majority of Iraqis and Iranians would prefer a free thinking society - have you met them in person... I'm curious... they often mention how they hate their 'leaders' and feel sorry for their families still living there under those regimes. I believe some folks issues are more with the brutal thugs in power and a slaughter of innocents around them is not humane, and even is at the level of the monsters causing strife in the mid.East. However, I'm all for sending a clear statement of unimaginable consequences the moment a clear threat is perceived, enough to make the commonfolk in those countries think about not sitting on the fence while their leaders smugly go about making plans for a global holocaust.

Anyway so while you may think I'm too libby, keep in mind it twists my guts thinking about the world powers twiddling their thumbs when they ignore events leading to mass destruction and genocides.. ie, Rwanda, Balkans, , pre WW2-->Czechs/Manchuria/Ethiopia/Alscace-Lorraine to name a few.

I'm not dissagreeing at all. I saw this whole thing on the History Channel about Bin Laden, his history and all. They had speeches of him talking about how the infindels invaded the holy land during the Gulf War and then later, post-9/11 talking about how that was a main catalyst of why they planned the attacks in the US. Don't forget that he was working for us in the 80's... on US payroll. Oh wait a second, so was Saddam! LOL... craziness. So 2 guys that we want dead NOW, used to get money from the USA. Goes to show that the old saying, "my enemy's enemy is my ally" is not always correct.

Like my guru Yoda said, [in Emp.Strikes Back?]
"Funny thing the future.... always in motion."

Its funny you say that. Funny because I used to work shipping and receiving for a corporation, & one day we had a foreign truck driver. When I asked where he was from, he said (almost in a whisper) 'Iraq'. So I asked what brought him here. He said that he & his brother defected from his country as they didn't want to follow the Muslim religion. He told me that they were in college and after that they would be forced into the military. So in the two month lay over between college and military they took off to Germany and then came over here. What astounded me was this guy told me the only solution we as Americans have is to nuke the middle east. He said there are so many militant groups over there that it would be hard to get rid of them all. This coming from the mouth of an Iraqi. To say the least I was shocked he thought we should nuke his country.

QUESTION-IM TRYING TO POST THESE VIDEOS! not having any luck,the size is 211mb.



any suggestions,i may need a walk through,lol.

it wont fit into an email.

I've spoken to people like that Undertow and alot of them feel the same way. The problem I find with that is... take a few random Americans and ask them their view on anything and most of them will be different. So now we're asking ex-Iraqis, who defected from their country, what their views on Iraq and the middle east are. I'm sure they'll be skewed, just like any US soldier that defects to Canada. I'm sure some people will preach that we need to impeach Bush while others stand behind him.

I personally don't think bombing the crap out of the middle east solves anything. I also don't think the world will live in harmonious peace either. My opinion, we have one week where everyone in the world converts to the Muslim faith, then everyone in the middle east doesn't have to hate us for being infidels. LMAO!

Well goes to show there are nutjobs in everypart of this world!
We have had whack-jobs like Timothy McVeigh here . [U.S].....
I know alot of Iranians and Iraqis as very good friends, and they don't hold those'final solution' views, and they wish to see normalcy back there... I can see the hurt they have inside them that friends and relatives they have there don't enjoy the freedoms in a democracy.




What's the video format...? maybe it can be changed to a less 'bulky' video format... Also you could maybe then split the movie into parts if possible.... and then just link from this thread to a free hosting site that permits video posting....

It might not solve everything, but it would be a good place to start.

if we were to bomb them we would be like the nazis and the whole world would rally against us because we would be the war murderers. it would be worth their while to take us out !

we can never win in Iraq

YOU ARE CORRECT! i dont think any city siege has been a successfull campaign except berlin!

FEEZY-CHECK MY WORK!

stalingrad all over again? a little different in iraq because theres 3 religious parties trying to take control.i say we release saddam and say -PROMISE NOT TO MAKE NUKES? saddam; YES ,RELEASED! have your country back ,dont attack anyone ! full pull out of am gis and for that matter take the embassey too!

someone tell me how to post this video-very cool! apache shots and bazzooka takes out a sniper in tower!

i need help!

what's the extension on the video? you could always upload and just post the link.

tried i have a video its 211 mb and i cant even put it in an email.tried to post it on the web but that didnt work.give me some ideas!

sorry pez,2 are mpeg ((155 mb) 1 is wmv (55mb)

Try this tool to split up mpeg and wmv movies UNDEAD... it's very easy to use, free for 30 days I believe.
http://www.gold-software.com/FxMovieSplitt...-file10017.html

Then post the clips for free here; actually there maybe a file upload limit- I can't remember. But look around for such sites to link at.
http://www.youtube.com/signup_login?next=my_videos_upload

Good place to start what? WW3?

yes thatll be fun till china jumps in! 4 billion to 1 billion!they are waiting for us to het over extended!

Aren't we already over extended?

Well, I think a pull out would be disaster.I think iraq would definitely go in to all out civil war,it would create a sactuary for terrorist,and a pull out would embolden the terrorist.That would show them that we are weak and all that they would need to do is keep bombing us and we would leave.What about the guys that have already done 1 or 2, even three tours there? What about the soldier that have died and there families? That's like telling them thanks for nothing. Democracy has never been easy to build,just look at hystory.If the iraqis didn't want democracy, they wouldn't have gone out and VOTED.( several times now)

Yes a pull out would be a disaster and no politician in there right mind would do it now.theyll wait till they can PROMISE it to you ! bush is telling iraq to get their shit together and form a govt so we can pull out.this admin is catching alot of flak for this war !

we arent over extended until they start drafting again! the people would probably have a civil war before that would happen.

I thought that you meant financialy.

Yeah,this administration is gettin alot of flack,mostly from deomcrats and the mainsteam media is helping either.If we lose this war,i don't think we'll lose the war over there,but maybe at home.Shameful !

60% of folks in the US aren't happy with the admin's handling of the war.....
Hardly any in that poll are likely doubting the military effort.
People not confident in Bush's handling of things have a right to express concern when their Dads,moms,brothers,sisters,loved ones are fighting in Iraq caught in badly planned conditions.
In my books, it's the administration's overzealousness and earlier buffonery in not supporting the Coalition's lightning military success with an adequate post-conflict Iraqi infrastructure 'phase 2' that will doom the effort, if in fact it is doomed. The fact that clowns like Rumsfeld and Cheney are still onboard with their non-chalant idiocy after Baghdad fell is shameful. Troops not receiving proper armour expressed the same sentiments too.... not to mention Iraqi police bravely taking on scumbag insurgents almost naked in terms of military effectiveness.

iraki training video

http://www.break.com/index/trainingvideo.html

very tactical!!!!!

Dude, I've asked you before to stop demo'ing me in Cassino!

LOLOLOL

ok pez, that sig of yours... is that grinning 'man-toy' - getting smothered in the pic, what you pray to be reincarnated as for the carnal pleasures of a hotty vixen!

that video is some real funny shit lmfao!

The "hot vixen" is Batgirl and the "grinning man toy" is a doll of Harlequin. Get on the Batman wagon, I'll slow down if you need me to.

So you're saying you're Harlequin Pezzy?? Go very slowwwwwwwwwwwww.........

Just heard that those 2 missing soldiers were found dismembered and cut up. That's just awful. Poor families who have to have their loved ones leave this earth in the worst possible way.

And their corpse was set as "booby trap" is that how you write that???

But hey, american soldier cannot beat one of those guys up or he will be judge in martial court!!

i say BS!!