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Last week the world saw the scenes of the Israeli military allowing children to send "with love" wishes - onto artillery shells as they were about to be fired into Lebanese towns. As the world responded with disgust ... Israel said that they regretted such an incident.




Well here we are another week later ... and guess what ???




Now the Israeli settlers are getting in on the act ....

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Oh, better cover our ears ....

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Well it looks like the innocent Lebanese kids received their messages and well wishes ....


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- it's a good thing that the U.S. rushed some more missles to Israel .... we don't want the Lebanese children to go without presents for too long.. </B>


To re-post and show the World how giving Israel is ...

I read the original and tend to disagree, maybe I have a little more insight into the matter since I work at a lebanese restaurant. First and foremost maybe you are unfamiliar with Lebanon and how the got to be where they are. Lebanon is separated by 3 differnt sects. Cristian, Muslim Shites, Muslim some shit. Anyway they were in a civil war for many years. BBC's article on Lebanon from a month ago hints at some of the political problems associated with consolidating different cultural/ethnic/religious groups into a united country. The "confessional distribution" system ensures that there is an equal balance of Christian and Muslim representations, with assembly seats allocated to subgroups based on population. Christian representatives in Muslim dominated districts must find some way to appeal to their Muslim constituents and vice versa. There are various ingenious compromises built into the electoral system to make it work in the real world, and the Lebanese have a lot of practice at making it work. The Muslims previosly in the war systematically killed the cristians. Imagine your parents nameing you John, but you have to use a muslim name or be killed because regardless of your religion its not a muslim name. Most of the people being killed now are muslims because they support hezbolla most of the cristians left because they were inteligent. Ask any lebanese cristian and the will tell you that they are glad israel is attacking. Israel has warned people they are bombing areas. Maybe if some people watched the news instead of just hitting repost like a dum ass they might know a thing or two about what is going on. The hezbolla guerillas are using civilians as shields thats why they are getting hit.
And incase anyone forgot this is what your lovelly muslim friends like to do in there free time.
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Remember that? As a matter of fact I wonder if i can chip in on an israeli missle i'd have a little note of my own.
To all of you muslim sympathesers get the fuck out go live in the shit hole dessert and praise alla with them.

I have to laugh when I think about someone complaining about how terrible it is letting those kids write messages on those rockets. I guess they don't realize the US did much the same thing during WWII.
Then I have to wonder what the same people would think about Palestinians who have bumber sticker & shirts with the motto. "Proud parent of future suicide bomber".

Remember the peace medallions they gave us before Pearl Harbor? They were attatched to one of the atomic bombs.

This is how Terrorist groups work. They say they care about life but don't. They hide in the towns of innocent people and because of that the innocent people have to suffer as well. They use the cover of children and hope that the careing 'enemy' will not shoot. Keep in mind they strap suicide bombs to their own kids and send them off.

Do you make a difference between radical muslim and the others?
Are you going to let Israel bomb everything cause some Hezbollah fighter might have been there?
Do you give a damn about mankind...or do you only care about yourself?

Hezbollah his not right , Israel is not right! But bombing everything just in case there's a muslim in fighter is in a house, school,hospital in that truck on the road or in the port and by the way we don't give a damn about how those people will be able to rebuild their economy.

I'm sorry man but i don't buy that shit!

But most of the places Israel attacked is because Hezbollah had fired rockets from that location or it was known as a Hezbollah area.

Not as you put it because there might be a Hezbollah guy just hanging out.

And I am sick that so few Muslim groups have spoken out against the tactics used by some of these groups.
That's because deep down they see any tactics used against Israel as justifiable

In war, people die.

I think you have the point wrong. It is up to the Muslim community to condemn these acts by radicals. Where are they? They arent yelling from the mountain tops that killing innocent people is wrong. They arent kicking these radicals out of their mosques (sp?) and towns. What are they doing to combat this? I can list it with a short list
1.Not a dang thing

End of list

Until those ppl are willing to man up and take a stand against their "own" we'll do it for them. If you arent with us you're against us. We've made that clear. We WILL NOT WAIT TO BE ATTACKED ANY LONGER!!!

Junkie

When Bush claims God is on his side, is that somehow different from Muslim extremists claiming they are doing Allah's will? These Muslim hating people seem to think so. I can't believe we let Israel do whatever they want and claim that a country has a right to protect itself. Does Iraq have a right to protect itself? Sudan?

Are issues really only seen as Black and White, Good and Evil? Is it impossible to sympatize with all sides?

Here's an outlandish statement: The concept of Jihad is a beautiful thing that all humans can benefit from.

Now don't everyone poop their pants at once. Westernerns only focus on one aspect of the Jihad, the one that the extremists use, that is, the Jihad of the knife/sword, the holy war. There are 4 others aspects, the ones that have the pure focus. For example the Jihad of the mind, a purification process, and the Jihad of peace, an actual struggle to spread peace to the world. Look it up. You may learn something.

Think about Eric Robert Rudolf. He was a devoted Christian. I don't see you all hating on Christianity because of his actions.

The truth is, we took Israel from the Arabs, therefore they are going to hate us and the ones who took their land. We have the resources to keep them at bay, so they are going to kill us the only way they know how. Following teachings of certian scholars of Qu'ran, the wage a Jihad by the sword.

I sympathize for Israel and I sympathize for the Arab world. But remember, don't listen to your leaders. People don't act out of pure hate or pure evil, they act through temptation, ignorance, and aggrevation.

There should be no "if you aren't with us, you are against us". Because then suddenly, everyone is the enemy. Just because I sympathize with the Muslim world, doesn't mean I want to go kill Christians or Jews.

Peace through understanding. It's sounds impossible, but a little education goes a long way. Please think about it.

all i can say is its crazy when somthing bad happens were the first to say its bad and how sad it is and give out that helping hand but when it comes down to it who are we helpin to me is it furter enemy? like there gona help us next time we get in a war yea right but like i said my friend put this on myspace so i just figerd i would show yall so every one could throw in there to cents i dont know and i dont care to know

Did you know?

-- The U.S. sent thousands of RPG's over to Afghanistan to fight against the Soviet Union. Well, now they still have those RPG's and use them against us.

yea just like us helping the Soviet Union in ww2 and then we have the cold war funny aint it

Just like Israeli groups seem to think an Israeli action is justifiable. Nothing new there.

As for the "hide is residental" claim, a point could be made that Hezbollah's most successful rocket attack was killing 12 troops in an Israel town.

Also, we keep hearing that Hezbollah has all these tunnels and bunkers built in one story, then told all their attacks are from towns in another. What is it? Do they have tunnels and bunkers, or are they in towns?

In other words, we are just listening to Israeli propaganda. No problem. Everyone does it. Hezbollah propagands in Lebanaon as well. Fact of war. But lets realize both sides are playing politics with the "truth" of the matter as much as they can.

MoD

War is not about who's right, but who's left!

Haha, Amen.

The single biggest reason we support Israel is because they are a democracy, nothing more nothing less.

Maybe I'm wrong but my personal thoughts about this is,
The real reason is stupidity.
I watched a newscast today from Lebanon. The reporters were free to roam around the town to show the extent of the damage caused by the Israeli rockets. The only rule was they could take any film of Hezbollah gunmen. So every time armed Hezbollah gunmen walked by or a truckload of armed men passed by, the guy running the camera had to point it at the ground. Later the reporter interviewed someone on the street. The guy said
"Yes he supports Hezbollah, because they are the only ones who defends Lebanon from Israel."
Now wait a second, didn't all this start with a illegal border crossing of Hezbollah fighters for the sole purpose of capturing Israeli troops?
That is why I think the real reason for all of this is stupidity.
Same as when a reporter interviewed a Pakistani a few days after we ousted the Taliban.
The reporter asked the same question to a dozen+ people.
90% knew America was the land of infidels.
50% couldn't find America on a globe.
30% didn't know the world was round.
You can't reason with that kind of ignorance.
As much as some people try not to make this into a Muslim issue, you can't help but do so.
When was the last time there was a wide spread terrorist attacks that wasn't done by Muslims.
Is there any other common factor between the wide spread murder & mayhem don in the name of Islam?

I by no means turn a blind eye to the evil done in the name of christianity.
In the 8th century, 4500 people were beheaded in the name of christianity in a single morning.
10,000+ were either killed during the Spanish Inquisition.
In the 12th century 100,000+ were put to death because their christian views didn't agree with the church.
16th century over 100,000 died at the stake for witchcraft.
The difference is we out grew that kind of crazy religious beliefs as we grew more secular, and that's seen as a good thing.
The majority of Muslims want to see the world turned back to how it was a few centuries ago.
The want every aspect of life to be ruled by not just religion but their religion.

Wotan,

What you're seeing or have been exposed to is Hezbollah propoganda. Just like the first and second Gulf war, Saddam would say that we bombed a milk processing plant or a children's nursery. What he failed to mention is that they had missles underneath it. It's the same with Hezbollah. Israel put forth a week's notice that they would be tearing apart anything 25 miles north of the border and to stay up beyond that line to be clear of danger. I personally think that was up and above a fully decent act to do for the Lebanese civilians. If they choose to stay, as far as I'm concerned, they're probably terrorists looking to get some pot shots on Israeli soldiers.

I'm still finding it humorous that Israel is bound to war rules but Hezbollah isn't. Israel must apologize for striking civilians, Hezbollah doesn't. Very similar to the Allied forces in Iraq vs the insurgents. The insurgents will board up in a mosque and blow up parts of it but somehow it's the Allied forces fault. Crazy world.

Did anyone else see 60 Minutes on Sunday. Mike Wallace interviewed Iran's president. Very interesting how he side-stepped almost every question with a question of his own. Seriously, half of his answers were "how would you like me to respond to that?" All and all, a very smart politician. He would not take sides so that the terrorists would think he wasn't with them, yet still being sympathetic wearing his Member's Only jacket to appeal to the US viewers. I love propoganda.

personally, i dont trust muslims....the Koran basically says that anyone who doesn't believe in their interpretation of God and doesnt want to be converted is scum and should be punished for it. Granted we have fundamentalist christians who are just as crazy, but they usually dont strap themselves with explosives and indiscriminately kill people. Some say that this is limited to the middle eastern (fertile crescent) muslims, but i disagree. I think that Israel has shown considerable restraint in recent years considering their stance on aggression directed towards them. Hezbollah is a disease, and Genocide is the cure. Bye Bye.

The Talmud ...the book of law of the jews says the same thing my friend. Stop giving me the propaganda reason, US governement use propaganda Israeli too and Hezbollah every freakin country use propaganda to keep their people in misunderstanding what is really happening to manipulate the people.....what you have to do is listen to propaganda from each side and make your own idea.
And don't think cause you live in the US that the news you hear about the middle east are objective, US government is all with Israel and it's not to "Help" them, it's more of an economic reason like every thing that government do.

And Pez like i said before it's not because Hezbollah hide in certain place that you have the right to blow everybody that is around there! When they blow those place they kill catholic too.If everytime they blow a place they would show proof that hezbollah weapon or fighter were there....it might change my point of view.There's no war rules when you fight a Militia....but Israel are a modern army they should haqve way to attack and kill only Hezbollah fighter instead of going over the land at 30000 feets and blow whatever is a suspicious truck or school!

Druid your country is not with Israel just because they are a democracy in fact i'm not even sure your President know what democracy is, cause he don't give a damn about nothing except himself and his rich friend.From who does Israel buy their weapons??
And ignorance is in every country maybe we know a little bit more about the world cause every family in america have TV.

Jack don't be confuse governement don't do things just to help......$$$$$

That's my thoughts!
cya

But you're still forgetting the fact that Israel called all the houses and dropped leaflets a week before invading Lebanon, not to mention it was all over the news, that they'd be coming into Lebanon and all civilians w/out relation to Hezbollah should move up 25 miles. When an army is fighting a militia or terrorist organization like Hezbollah, most of the fighters are going to be civilians. So how do you weed out the good ones from the bad? I understand there have been child fatalities but is that because they were children of Hezbollah fighters? Why didn't they leave? Do we blame this on the Lebanese government like how the US govt. got blamed for Katrina last year? How many times did the US govt. have to tell people to get the fuck out of New Orleans because of a big ass hurricane?

All and all, it can all be taken back to the Clerks conversation because Dante and Randall. Were the contractors working on the death star innocent victims of war? Probably not, they chose to be there knowing the risk. This is exactly how I view the deaths of innocents in southern Lebanon. I'm not happy that anyone has to die, but that's just what happens in war.

funny thing this all is... America and israel have a not so close bond as presumed.

America has MADE Israel return territory that it gained over the past conflicts that would have benefited them. parts of Egypt, lebanon etc...

America sells them weapons and military goods to keep them from extermination. they are completely surrounded by countries that want them destroyed, only thing holding that off is American diplomatic and military might.

Israel is made up of a good percentage of x-American citizens. after Israel was given land many American Jews went "home" to Israel. so ties to America are a given.

propaganda is a abundant resource, I have watched countless hours of political BS with the war raging on, and CNN clearly supports anti-American sentiment and FOX news can seem to remove President bush's ass from their lips. so were is the truth?

here it is...

they attacked an military outpost and killed 8 soldiers and took captives. that's an act of war.

If canadian army call your home Pezz...telling you that there's a militia in the state you live in and we want you to move down south 25 miles so we can blow your house and everything you get what would you do? People don't leave their house and belongings like that when that's all they got! When Katrina struck New Orleans people stayed there cause some of them have no other place to go, their home are their, you can understand that. That border is along Israeli border how come they did'nt sent on foot troop to shoot and kill Hezbollah fighter,,,,just bomb the shit out of them! And our spirit is clean of any culpabilities cause we called them before and drop pamphlet!!


Yeah Silver i'm sure Bush sell them weapon only so they can protect themselves!!LMAO!!
And what is Anti-american sentiment ?.....do you Mean Anti-Republican or Anti-Bush what do you mean by Anti-American?

This probably sounds like a cop-out, but if a large terrorist organization was operating next to my house and was going to war against Canada, I wouldn't be living here. Exactly what my grandfather did, he grew up in Germany and as Hitler came to power many Germans fled because they didn't agree with the oppressive state. He came to the US and served for the Army during WWII as a tank commander under Patton. 3rdArmy/10th Armored.

I still think the situation over there is different than here, although I appreciate your analogy. Living in a hotbed of the MidEast, people must be used to war and used to moving. If they have issues with what's going on, then maybe they need to stand up to and against Hezbollah oppossed to cheering in the streets for them. Hezbollah is the reason they are being put in harms way. Was Israel attacking Lebanon before Hezbollah kidnapped 2 soldiers and attacked Israel? Nope.

But Israel contines to hold the Sheeba Farms (Lebanon territiory), the Golan Hights (Syria), and of course Palestine. Even after Germany went to war against everyoe in to 40's, today all their land has been returned. Israel would be wise to do the same in return for peace agreements, but instead it seems determined to hold onto "strategic" tracts of land and illegal settlements in violation of UN orders. Israel would have a clear moral highground if these attacks were occuring if land wasn't in dispute and Israel wasn't ignoring UN resolutions that date back 30+ years, but until then their enemies on all sides continue to have legit grievances. Pretending this war was over merely some border incursion several weeks ago ignores the long history of what really is a continuing conflict. In fact, Isreal had been planning this offensive for over a year, and were just waiting for the excuse.

Israel should return the Sheeba (or Cheeba) Farms, move Lebanon prisoners to an International court where they can be tried or released. It is not right to destroy a country because the Israeli border was violated when they continue to hold a piece of the other country against international law.

By the way, I certainly don't expect to change anyone's opinion. I'm sure we've all spent much time developing our own, and hope we can discuss it without it becoming a hatefest, but I just wanted to share some facts as I see them which were being glossed over, or more accurately, not being acknowledged. This war didn' start just several weeks ago. It just got "hot" again.

MoD

Bush's goal is not to kill every Muslim in the world no matter if they are "radical" or not.True ...it's more to use other country to get what he want's for his big pockets friends!

Yeah, all the major players are dying for their piece of the rocks and dirt in Afghanistan. Loads of money to be made there. If we are after a country for it's resources i.e. oil and Bush's friends, wouldnt it make sense that we would attack one of the 13 other countries that produce as much as TEN TIMES the amount of oil that Iraq does? i.e. Mexico, Kuwait, Canada, Saudia Arabia 10x's as much, etc. Or maybe, just maybe, we're there because we're liberating a people who have been oppressed and killed by their leader for 30 yrs. It's not just about Bush. We have a congress that voted to go to war and then voted to fund that war. I'm sick of hearing about how we're evil. We should withdraw from every country on the planet and let them protect themselves. Europe could be speaking German right now. North Korea could destroy South Korea. Kuwait could be ruled by Sadam. Afghanistan would be communist. Forget all these countries we feed, protect, and rescue from debt. They all turn around and hate our guts because we protect our interests. It's ridiculous. We've never occupied a country for the sake of imperialism. Never.

I don't mean to be harsh, but I pity you all who think you can't trust Muslims or believe that they all support terrorism. I said I sympathize with Muslims, not with any extremists of any kind, Christian or otherwise. The truth is, the Muslim community does shun what suicide bombers do. Please, don't confuse a nation with a religion...that is a dangerous thought. I suppose you don't get your information from anything but the news. Don't trust the news. Especially don't trust Fox news.

I live and work around Muslim families. They despise these radicals. Even our dumbass presdient said to respect the nation of Islam after Semptember 11th as to not foster hate (I suppose later he went back on this, as it helped him invade Iraq).

The fact is, Imperialism in the traditional sense is dead or dying. The true way to conquer the world is through economic control. Invade Saudi Arabia? Not a chance. You really think we want a free trade system there? Say goodbye to our oil! China is willing to pay a lot more for their oil than we are. As long as we keep the relationship alive, our leaders with their hands in the big oil business, positive relations with the Saudis, oh man, we got ourselves a sweet deal.

Ever wonder why oil companies recorded record profits?

I myself would like to think that we protect the world. I suppose we do at times, but usually it's at our interest. Darfur region of Sudan anyone? Look it up. And ask, why aren't we stopping that?

I respect your opinions. I however, don't respect religious intolerance. I hope to share for a better understanding.

Choth, I pity you....you are young and naive....there are these nice things that you get taught in school by lefties who want to make you feel like a villain when we talk about our foreign policy and our goals.

We aren't the Federation from Star Trek, we aren't a democracy really, we are a REPUBLIC. We strive for democracy, but it doesnt work: people....i am sorry, sheeeple are swayed by public opinion (the media) and with the exception of Fox, its Left Wing all the way (like Cronkite in Vietnam), and our universities and high schools are full of former radicals who have not only tenure but probably are heads of departments now for at least the social sciences and arts. So thats why Berzerkley and other institutions are making studying the Koran a part of the curiculum. Notice they don't include the Torah or Buddist or Confucious Texts, mind you...

Our interests, our goals are tied with our friends and resources. We don't have a lot of friends in Africa. Logistically, Africa is very difficult to get to (in and out of, really). With the exception of the Mediterranean Africa (north of the Sahara) and South Africa, and to some extent Kenya, Nigeria, Ghana and Ivory Coast, the rest of the countries in Africa have pretty primitive transportation grids. When you throw in the effects of a couple of civil wars and strife, it gets pretty unworkable. Look at the logistical problems with Katrina, and that was in our own frickin country. When you do have reliable roads to transport goods to markets, thats a problem. When you don't have port facilities that can move containers from ships and load them on to non-existent rail or Big Trucks, thats a problem. When you don't have natural gas or Petroleum storage facilities to stockpile energy supplies, thats a problem. The problem in the Sudan is not new, and it really isnt our problem, because they arent our friends, or provide resources to us. But yes, we do provide them food through the Red Cross and the UN, and if we get a Democratic Lefty in the White House, we send Marines over to guard the Grain shipments that we drop by air (very expensive to transport stuff by air and very cost inefficient).

We feed much of the world, and thankfully, most of those supplies actually get where they are supposed to go. For backward (developing....HA HA HA) nations, the stark reality is that they can't figure the "lets stop fighting and build a nice place for our children to grow and thrive in" theory yet.

Leadmagnet


PS. Who do you think drilled those oil wells in the Desert? We did. Standard Oil did. That's our oil....they just control the land....

Your governement just do what is best for him..not for others. The only fact i can talk to you about is the softwood trade dispute..cause i work in the lumber business. Your governement signed the agreement about free trade and opening the frontier ...but guess what Mr.Bush have took the decision to tax Canadian Lumber. He had many rulings against him saying he does'nt have the right to tax that product but he does'nt give a shit even the Us court of international trade gave a judgement against the US...your own court But good Mr. Bush don't give a damn he want's the money of other country to pay for His war and to give back to his friends who own the mills in the north of the states! But guess what it's the people of the US who pay for that tax cause every mills put the price of the duty in their selling price! So your governement is taxing you and you don't even know it.The price of lumber have rised since 2 years of almost 75%, but hey Bush is there for you man!

Do you think when your first soldier got to Afghan, Bush was'nt thinking about Iraq?
They had a good "social" reason to go to Irak ...remember those Weapons of mass destruction?

I'm not saying Americans are evil i don't generalise like some do...saying that all muslim are tickin bomb.I'm talking about the actual US government!

You don't have to occupied a country to get what you want, just put embargo's or a tax on the product you are importating.

You really believe you are in Iraq cause of Saddam!!!
I tell you again everything in there is about the governement, i love americans i talk with americans from CT too FL and TX. And i have always meet great people in the states!

You say US saved country from their debt....do you know what your debt is in the US?
http://www.toptips.com/debtclock.html
C ya!

Leadmagnet:

You are absolutely right. I agree with the majority of what you said. I know I am naive to believe that education is the key to understanding (not neccessarily the education system). Most of my understanding of religion and politics comes from reading different sources. I'd say I have Liberal foreign policy, but am otherwise moderate.

I know how politics work, and my main point is that we are only going to assist those in which we are interested. I simply hope to destroy this idea that we really are the "world police", and reinforce our strive for economic imperalism.

We are making sure we keep the oil out of the hands of China. Standard oil, like you said.

All I want is for people to see both sides of an issue! That's all, and maybe, just maybe they can understand. I just want people to realize that no group of people is pure evil or acts out of unprovoked spite. When you said muslims can't be trusted, it set off an alarm in my head. The old relgious texts, the Bible, the Torah, the Qu'ran, writings by Easter philosphers, are all gifts to the world that strive to teach us of this tolerance. We are all so busy trying to figure out who is right, we forget what they really mean!

Just a general question directed toward everyone: You think this is what Muhammed wanted? You think this is what Jesus wanted?

If you say yes, God have mercy on your soul.

Lead, that's all I want, pity was the wrong word I guess. I just hope that one day you will able to trust the nation of Islam.

PS. I'm young so I'm indestructable

My intolerance is not for any religion. You are free to believe what you like. You can worship the little green men on mars if that's what you want. If you live peacefully I have no problem with you. If there is such outrage in the Muslim community around the world why don't they riot in the streets? We never see that. We see plenty of riots hating us wanting us dead. Why arent these radicals kicked out of mosques? Why don't the others stand up against these people? Why do the countries where this takes place not stand up against this hatred? We in this country now have plenty of reason to "hate" this group of ppl. However, you don't see on the news where "Bubba" suicide bombed a mosque in Denver. Or "Tyrone" hijacked a taxi and crashed it in to a quicky mart. Who said anything about free trade in Saudi Arabia? We just take what we want for our gain. We'll have all the oil we need for our oil companies. Remember Bush and his "deep pocketed friends"? Why do we support Isreal? They don't have any oil. What are we to gain from keeping them safe? Want insight into the way these ppl think read the article by Jill Caroll who was abducted in Iraq. The abductors were teaching their 5 yr old son to be a "Mujahid" or holy warrior. That has nothing to do with oil and everything to do with religion. Where are the outraged muslims in those countries? Where are the governments? Why is this taught in their schools? Our oil companies have record profits because we keep paying for the oil. It's basic economics supply and demand. Quit buying it and they will lower the price. Are they corupt? You betcha. Along with every other entity who has money or wishes to attain it. We can go on forever about this... so everyone go on worship who or what you like. But when someone starts bombing in the name of your god stand up for what is right. Is that unreasonable?



Bush cannot issue a tax. Taxes are issued by congress via laws voted upon by both houses. This is not done by one Mr. Bush.

Price of oil is not set by the offer and the demands anymore.....but by speculation!

I'm saying it's a disguise tax. Us impose Canada to pay duty on the lumber they are selling to the US.But Canadian mills that are selling to American company put the 20% of duty in their selling price....so the lumber that you buy is more expensive by 20% and that 20% more goes into US governement pocket.So you are payin a tax without even knowing it! And as for the softwood dispute it look like the congress don't have nothing much to say!

Yup, every non conventional conflict brings out tit-for-tat to various degrees on both sides. While it appears the IDF is using pinpoint tactics, they do seem to have a 'to hell with it' attitude at times and succumb to using sledgehammer force that takes out large numbers of non-combatants.

In all fairness sometimes people just cannot leave, or they do their best to keep their heads down. That strategy doesn't necessarily mean hezbooblas will stay behind to fight-knowing they have no civilians to hide behind. A similar example happened during the Normandy campaign. The Germans were holding out at the city of Caen in the British/Canadian sector so much so that a huge offensive was put into plan whereby it would be precipitated by a huge bomb strike on the city. Fearing civilian casualties, leaflets were dropped for Caen residents to get the hell out. This warning was largely ignored- result, about 5,000 civilian casualties from the bombing alone.




To me it seems like a desperate act of provocation by a band of well-armed cunniving thugs. I'd guess a good number of Lebanese are not surprised the IDF would return to clean out the provocative hezbooblas, it's just anguishing to them the highly modernised IDF at times seemingly perform beyond what force is necessary.

This is great! Wolk pick up a history book and read something. American planes were sold to the IDF during the 60's in an attempt to equal the sales from Russia to Egypt. you know cold war shit. funny thing is Egypt couldn't fill enough planes with pilots and actually used Russian flyer's to engage IDF forces. Israel piloted their own planes and killed Egyptian forces. Russia screamed that Americans were flying the planes, dues to the heavy losses Egypt encountered. yes we sell them weapons and lots of them. why you may ask? 2 reasons:

1: gives American foothold in middle east, remember peace is preparation for war.

2: Russia has always had a interest in surrounding countries and deals allot of arms to places such as Iran, Syria, Egypt, etc. so to keep an Allie in an area that is?was controlled and influenced by and arch enemy is vital. (enemy of my enemy is my ally)

to say that America is engaged in acts such as propaganda, illegal international arms sales etc... is valid. we may not have our hands in the pots but we pay someone else to do it. same idea that we (America) don't torture prisoners, but we sure as shit send them to places that do!

we are at war for many reasons, not just 9-11.

OIL! Bush has vested interest in oil, Iran Saudi Syria all make some money on oil, they in turn supply Hezbollah ha mas etc with money. were do you think the main customers are? America and Canada. our own money is being used against us at an alarming rate.

nation building, post 9-11... how much money do you think premium companies make that have gov. contracts? how many jobs and economic growth do you think has taken place since 9-11? again not new this was done back in medieval times as well...

preemptive measures of pre-self defense is not really a new policy. we were "helping" Britain, china etc... during WWII. making ships, tanks, guns and "loaning" them to our allies. in a sense we were already at war with them, at that point. we were sending pilots to Brits, china to fight as well.

so what if we tax Canada? your not part of the US. you might be a friend of us, but we have to put up with the BS being you neighbor gives us. such as weak immigration policy, weak border protection, and the never ending harassment that Canadian citizens give American tourists.

what we need to do is STOP IMPORTING CONSUMER GOODS! (not all) but American companies that downsize and open foreign manufacturing or open foreign businesses that take away jobs should be penalized 10x current tariffs and taxes. bringing jobs back to America.



its all perception on the side of the war. hezbollah does ALLOT for the citizens, hospitals, finance, food, loans etc... as a matter of fact they are going to rebuild at NO COST TO THE POPULATION! that's bold, but they get the money from Iran which dictates they destroy Israel. to help the populous they have to fight.

lesson don't bite the hand that feeds you!

That's the economic relations that Canada have with the US:
Merchandise exports (2005, FOB basis)--$364.8 billion: crude petroleum and products, natural gas, motor vehicles and spare parts, lumber, wood pulp and newsprint, crude and fabricated metals, wheat. In 2005, 85% of Canadian exports went to the United States.
Merchandise imports (2005, FOB basis)--$317.7 billion: motor vehicles and parts, industrial machinery, crude petroleum, chemicals, agricultural machinery. In 2005, 59% of Canadian imports came from the United States.

Yes, but then hebooblas seem intent on provoking reactions that end up getting citizens, hospitals, vital bridges blown up not to mention smashing the local economy... and that's a hefty cost to the population. Furthermore speaking with my many Lebanese friends who grew up knowing nothing but war for 3 decades as a general populace, they aren't in the mood for fighting/getting caught in the crossfire- let alone seeking help to fight. Hezbooblas manipulate their minority [but significant] fold of supporters through those 'programs' you mentioned but I'm sure the majority of Lebanese would prefer to see them gone, although admittedly they seem to be grimly satisfied at times when hezbooblas prove to be a tough nut to crack going against the formidable IDF, fighting conventional or not.

never ending what???!!!
Now that's just phoney baloney Mr.Silver lol.... I work in the tourism industry and on the ground level, so I don't have a head-in-the-clouds opinion on this.... I know in Quebec, American tourists come here year after year.... not just once in a lifetime; because they love it here and the people that greet them... even after that crappy episode with the booing the american anthem a few years back at the Habs game. You must be equating anti-bush sentiment with anti-american which is very unfair, seeing as how in the States 60% of Americans think bush's policies are crap. The Democrats aren't to savvy either, but let's see who gets the vote of confidence in this Fall.


Vice versa too chum, lol... in fact don't feel picked on, just about every nation in the world thinks their neighbouring country gives them a hard time to varying degrees!


ps.I screwed up double posting... is there actually a tool in editing that lets you delete a post... like in nearly all other forums!