Look it up!

WTF. Das nasty.

NO kidding it's nasty... and get this the same ACLU that fights to the death to take God out of everything fights like all hell to keep this group functioning. And YOUR TAX DOLLARS PAY FOR THEM TO DEFEND THIS VILE GROUP!!!!!!!!!

Junkie

what in the seven hells of Haiti's!!!!!!!

Are there disgusting people out there in the world? Yes. But what the ACLU does is make sure that Americans keep their civil rights guaranteed by the Constitution. Unfortunately, this means that you have to let the KKK march through black neighborhoods. Yes, the ACLU defends things that most of use find shocking, but they do it so that the rest of us don't wake up one day to find that our rights have slowly been taken away to the point where we can't speak out against the government.

When the ACLU starts defending a terrorists right to bomb us... that's when I'll be motioning to close them down. It sucks, years ago they were a decent organization and nowadays it seems that they protect the freedoms of non-citizens to screw the citizens of the country. Just crazy.

Is nambla only about gai or is it defending pedophilia??

It's defending the right for a man and boy to love each other physically. That SouthPark episode covering NAMBLA was fucking classic!

So it's fuckin pedophilia!!! How come they can promote that??? They should close them down sick bastards!



South park video
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type...a&search=Search

Because if you coudn't talk about pedophilia, how could you complain about these sick people.

The ACLU doesn't endorse the people they defend. I'm sure the people there think members of NAMBLA are disgusting too. But their job is to defend civil rights. So they often will be defending the rights of Minorities, as well as hate groups at the same time. Why? Because of things like Freedom of Speech.

On Howard Stern they used to get a guy from nambla on and berate him.... he was so freakin sick. SOunded like count dracula. Have not heard him on in a few years, but they are still out there. Boy-love? i wanna barf. hang them by thier feet and go at their groins with a two person saw.....

It said NAMBLA, but i still clicked. Why did I click?

YOU GOTTA FIGHT
FOR YOUR RIGHT
TO MAN-BOY LOVE!

A couple of positions defended by the ACLU:

The ACLU's policy guide states that all civil and criminal laws prohibiting polygamy should be done away with. Earlier this year, during a speech at Yale Law School, ACLU President Nadine Strossen said: "We have defended the right for individuals to engage in polygamy. We defend the freedom of choice for mature, consenting individuals."
The ACLU also asserts that the First Amendment, which was NEVER meant by its authors to do so, "protects" child pornography.The ACLU asserts there should be no federal or state governmental restriction on its distribution, reproduction, sale, and use by pedophiles and others.-----And of course no matter how much one is offended by this and other forms of the vilest pornography imaginable, the ACLU say the government cannot take any action that could protect any citizen from unwanted exposure. Ironically, this is the same ACLU which claims that offended persons must be forcefully protected by them in court from the dreaded public display of the Ten Commandments or Christmas.
Basically they are against anything that holds anyone to any standard or holds them to a personal accountability. Heaven forbid you see a cross somewhere or hear the word Christmas uttered during the hollidays. They will go a mile to keep children from being exposed to a prayer but fight to the death to defend pornography. They fight for the rights of murders who rape, torture, and kill children. Keeping them from being executed because the monster might feel pain when they stick him with the needle. For 200 yrs we had these things and no one thought more than 2 seconds about it. Now there is an all out war to remove all these things. We've become so over zealously PC that we will trample the rights and wishes of the majority to save the feelings of the minority. We've had the Constitution twisted to the point that everyone believes that "The Separation of Church and State" is in the Constitution. In fact there is no such amendment. We've changed the freedom OF religion to the freedom FROM religion. These things are not what were intended by the founding fathers.



There's a difference between discussing and promoting.

UMM how did you find that out? Were you looking threw your gay porno files and found something about NAMBLA? naw man im just messing. THAT IS SICK

The ACLU is there to fight for the rights of people. That's what they are there for. Just because they fight for these things doesn't mean change will happen. That's what courts are for. The ACLU just presents the other side of the argument.
And thank God the ACLU is fighting to keep prayer out of public school, and fighting against teaching "Intelligent Design" in school. This is a case of the minority shoving it down the majority's throat. The majority of American citizens are Christian, yet they don't want this. It's the powerful Christian right that is trying to overturn all of this.
The ACLU fights for the rest of us moderate Christians who realize that ID is a bunch of crap.

Cant understand being Christian and calling Intelligent design crap.... that blows me away... I find it difficult to believe we came from a primordial soup of non life that produced life. I'm not saying that species have not evolved I'm saying that there is no chemical process that produces life. Why is it so hard for the left to allow both "theories" to be presented? Neither one can be proven without doubt. What are they scared of? Creation is not a subject singular to one religion. The second law of thermodynamics says that if we leave something alone, the natural tendency is for it to go from a state of order to disorder. How then can a sludge of chemicals develop life and walk out of the oceans? Or how about when we die, all of the same chemical building blocks are there. The only difference is life. What chemical process or evolution accounts for that?

I'm with you on this Bar. NAMBLA is a disgusting organization. But if it has to exist so that I don't have to conform to the regulations set by the majority, then by God I'm going let that shit be.

lol, now don't get me started on I.D and evolution. I will simply say that intellegent design is not backed by the scientific method. Evolution is a theory than has been peer reviewed over the years and was developed by using the scientific method. Therefore, I ask, why teach the kids science if you are going to have a secondary approach that goes against what science is all about.
It's like a teacher asking how clouds are formed. Little timmy will answer: "clouds exist because of crystalized water vapor condesing by cooling". Teacher responds, "yes, and I would also accept because God made them".
Or,
What was the answer to #3 on the Bio exam?
Jesus.

I'm not saying intellgent design doesn't exist. I have my own opinons, and respect those of more religious people. I'm just saying it contradicts the scientific method, the method on which all of our science education is based. Keep it out of my school.

That's ridiculous to say that you would extend "ID" to cover every topic. It is one topic that has a great number of people who believe both. Why would you only teach one side of it? To me it isn't about Christianity, every civilization from begining of time has believed in a creator or creators. You can use Science to prove points in ID just as you can in Evo. There are tons of books on it many of which I've read. Is it any crazier to believe that we have a creator when our planet just happens to be the right size, in the right spot, the right distance from a star, that happens to be the right size, have the right gravity to hold the correct atmosphere, tilted at the correct angle, with the right elements, in the correct combinations, which defy thermodynamics and move from simple to complex, supporting life which has extremely low tolerances for existance, etc. Does it take more faith to believe that these events all happened by chance (the odds of which would be immeasurable) or that there is a creator who did this? It's not for me to say either one (or both)is correct. But why are some so affraid of this?

Junkie

Not to mention that many of the orginizations that back ID often refer to it as "Creationism". Creationism can not be taught in schools. The courts have already decided this. So, with a few subtle changes and calling it ID, it has to go through the whole process again.

Here is my argument against the kind of thinking that says science goes against religion. Now, first off, I believe in GOD. I have many issues with the church as I have gone to christian shools and attended church and read the bible on my own and through education and introspection, I believe much of what the church says is not what the bible says.
What I believe is that God gave man intelligence. He gave man the ability to learn and write and grow smarter. Science is one of God's greatest gifts. It gives an average person the ability to heal, without the need of a miracle from the holy spirit. Why would we throw away this gift from God to go by a book that speaks in stories. It is a guide book that has set us on a path. It is not the end of knowledge, but a place to start. It has also been changed many times throughout history. Parts of it have been purposely left out. So it is also incomplete.

There is a story I was told as a child, and I think it fits this example. An old man turns on his TV and sees a news report that there is going to be a big storm and that there will be flooding. He goes outside where it is getting cloudy. His neighbor tells him they are heading towards higher ground and offers the old man a ride.
"No, thanks", responds the old man. "God will save me".
Later it is pouring down rain. The flood waters are rising. A police man comes to the old man's house and offers to get him out.
"No, thanks. God will save me".
The water continues to rise and and the old man is stranded on his roof. A rescue boat comes by, but the old man sends it away.
"God will save me."
The water continues to rise and the man drowns. When he gets to heaven he asks God, "Why did you let me die? I thought you were going to save me?"
God replied, "I tried to save you 3 times, but you refused my help."

The point is, God is in everything we do. He works through scientists as well as preachers. He works in our neighbors and teachers. So to say that evolution goes against religion is just silly. ID has no legitimate scientific backing. It has very rich and powerful christian backing. These people are working on a revisionist history. ID should not be taught in public schools because it is a christian notion. Public schools are for all people, not just christians. That's why private schools exist. And homeschooling, which is where much of the revisionist history and political/religious agendas are taught (no offense, Lipton).

How did this topic wander from NAMBLA/ACLU to Religion vs Evo/creationism?

Because I didn't feel like talking about the aclu. I've wanted to talk about evo v. ID for a while now, LOL! I did it really well, too, I think.

LMAO Well done bar!

So it's not crazy to think that everything is perfect because of billions of years of adaptation. I'll spare the details of the scientific history of the universe, even though it's cool shit. Chemical reactions create a single cell that is capable of copying itself. This cell copies, but the cell is not going to make a perfect copy everytime. Thus mutation....blah blah blah, do this trillions of times over the course of billions of years. The ones that don't work die, the ones that do live on, only the strong mutations live on.

W00t! We adjust to the planet so that everything seems to work PERFECTLY.

That's what I believe.

And yea, that was quite eloquent there bg

i have a feeling this thread is going into the biological studies of reproduction soon....

Evolution is science, creationism is a rumor. What gets me is a lot of people that don't believe in evolution DO believe in extra-terrestrial being out somewhere. Kind of hipocritical.

Could you please send me the equation for that chemical reaction that creates life? I'd like to whip up one single celled organism (the most simple in the world) in a petry dish.

I just watched that south park episode, hilarious!

"God will save me."
The water continues to rise and the man drowns. When he gets to heaven he asks God, "Why did you let me die? I thought you were going to save me?"


Was not the man saved by being in heaven?

Please tell me, Oh You, that your sig is a lie, and you are NOT a "Proud Supporter" of the Gay Man-Boy Faggot Group.