"Don't dream it, be it!" (Dr. Frankenfurter aka Tim Curry, Rocky Horror Picture Show, 1975)

We basically have 4 dead servers, do we want to remodel/revive them? They are:

CODUO:

Frontline
German Front

COD2:
Aim
Mix Maps

What do you think? Change maps? Take volunteers to play/camp them for a week or two? Put in a mod that we know of? Make a mod that's totally our own custom mod?

What would YOU play? If you had your very own coduo or cod2 server, and it would be exactly like what you would want, what would that be, that you would want to play everyday for hours on end? Do you think it would attract others, or be okay to keep coming back to even if you only got maybe 6 players at a time?

Or should we take down the underpopulated servers and put all of our energy into the highly active coduo and cod2 servers?

I've got a few whacky ideas. How about a Modern Weapons BAS server for coduo? How about making one of my Modern Weapons Fly Planes BAS servers (do you know that CKI is using my weapons mod and configs that I made for my experimental modern weapons fly planes server, and it is now the #1 modern weapons server in the world?! Argh!). How about a totally modded-out cod2 server with custom maps, maybe call it Modded Weapons Custom Maps (we can't do modern weapons on cod2 cause the internal code in cod2 was never released for modding, afaik).

I dunno, anyone wanna brainstorm on this? The one thing I don't want to do is put a ton of time into a server that those who had the idea won't faithfully play or camp til it takes off, lol. Been there done that, lol.

But, it seems bad that we leave empty servers hanging out there. We all know we do it cause we have a gigantic server box and can make a bunch of servers. But to me, empty servers give the clan an empty sort of appearance, instead of the vast, vibrant community it really is.

That's all, just thought I'd throw that out.

How about a COD 2 BAS mod? Or is there already one?

Or a MOHAA BAS mod?



-Pain

Aim maps server is fine the way it is, only takes one person in there for a few minutes to get it going.

The Aim server is a very popular COD2 server. It is certainly not dead. Because it is setup for a maximum of 6 players, it shows artificially low when compared to 30+ player servers. One must not make the assumption that a reported low average number which is diluted by an intentional cap makes for a "dead" server. Actually, quite a few of the most recent COD2 MR players were recruited from the Aim server.

A more accurate accessment of a MOB server is how much it is played by MOB players since they are the ones paying for the server. Pull up the VSP 90 day stats, sort on games played to see how much these servers are played by the people that count the most.

Based on the above, COD2 Aim Maps will certainly not be eliminated.

Steel, I did find your stats from an earlier post showing the popularity of counter strike most interesting. I know nothing about the game but it might be worth looking into. I know we have some MOB players familiar with the game. Perhaps they can provide some feeback. Also, MOHAA Airborne is expected to be released sometime this year (the release date keeps getting delayed). I'm sure we will want to look into that.

Old Man Mike

I have noticed that the CuF league servers are always packed with players on UO. Can we copy something from those servers (maps and mods). And then maybe we can attract players from there.

Or is this like stealing?

All's fair in love and war.


" MOHAA Airborne is expected to be released sometime this year (the release date keeps getting delayed). I'm sure we will want to look into that."

This I believe will be the next big game for us hardcore WWII FPS players. Hopefully we can put it on one of our servers when it comes out, I can't wait.

I would be very interested in Counterstrike, I was a counterstrike junkie prior to getting involved with UO. Knowing that the counterstrike community is one of the largest, this might be one way to go. I don't know how many of you's own the game, some might have to dig it up and wipe a little dust off it.

I know we are basically a UO clan, but maybe we could expand a little.

There is also a lot of talk constantly from the barb crowd about opening up the map and adding a couple planes or changing it to capture the flag?



The one server I always enjoy is the COD2 aim maps, it sure gives me a little practice when Mike, Bargod and Gene come on and kill me. LOL



I have no problem camping a server to get it going Steel, just let me know.

T/A6Pak

As much as I LOVE the mix maps on COD2 I wouldnt mind seeing something different there to shake things up. I know we have several who would like to see it CTF. I wouldnt complain if we did this as it seems mix maps only gets played when a few of us get bored with Aim Maps or have too many for Aim to be fun. If you remove my Aim server I'll club a baby seal a day until it's back up. Might even burry a few kittens too.

Junkie

Have you guys thought about doing something similar to your old Cassino 24/7 server? Whenever I'm browsing the servers, the stock 24/7 maps seem to always stand out and they're almost always populated. I'm sure a lot of the people that post here or have joined MOB found their way here via the Cassino server. Maybe a small to medium sized map, Pavlov or Carentan? Bocage?

Just my two cents.

I have an idea for a stock maps server. Make a Toujane 24/7 server. It is one of the most popular maps, and whenever our server is on that map, that's when people seem to start coming in. And if not that, then maybe a Toujane/Matmata/Carrentan rotation, as those three are probably the most popular maps, although I would prefer a Toujane 24/7 server.

I play CS:S its fun and makes your aim so quick on COD2, I know a good number of Regs play CS:S. Or maybe a CTF/SD CoD2 stock server, where it rotates what map and gametype.

The most popular maps (in order) are: Toujane, Carentan, Burgandy and Matmata.

I've noticed that the FH Rifle Carentan 24 server is becoming very popluar so it might be worth considering doing something similar with a Toujane or a Toujane/Carentan 24 hour server. This would also be a good server for members to change to CTF when there are enough players that want it (only when Blk is not around, of course).

Since our Box loading is light these days, we could just make another server without eliminating Mix Maps. I know that several MOB players still like to play that evey now and then.

Old Man Mike

Lets make a mohaa mod for coduo or cod2. I mean the same weapon times, if possible you cant aim down the barrel. Make it so the weapons dont spray or something.

A Toujane 24/7 server or atleast a rotation of the popular maps is what I would like to see.

I think we should go with the most popular maps for a COD2 server (named off by Mike), make it rifles only (make blk and Geno happy...I would camp that server too) and make it able to be converted to CTF easily with the regular CTF maps that the CTF team can play on and maybe we will get more of our COD2 members interested in so said CTF team and finally we might have enough peeps to even compete on the ladder.

Also, I think the return of Cassino would be a good thing...maybe a 2-3 map rotation.

As for other games...I would be up for our own CS:S server and possibly a Unreal Tournament 99 server (24/7 CTF), or MOHAA, or COD 1 even. If we got the box and the bandwidth...lets use it.


Hmmm....we got room for 3 more servers?

I'm all for the Toujane 24/7. Maybe even a Toujane/Matmata 24/7. There are tons of Carentan servers already but I can't think of one good Toujane 24/7 server. If I could I'd probably live on it.

Junkie

Agreed. No sense duplicating what's already out there. There are no good Toujane 24/7 servers anymore.

how bout toujane / matmata / burgundy? so i can lose 2 against blk and junkie then kick their butts in burgundy?

I have an Idea for both German front and the Frontline servers. why not simply combine the two into one. have a German Front : Frontline server? cut two into one? and perhaps rotate some maps on it. Just a thought.

BTW,
don't we have a {MOB} Rifle range? No one goes on that either....

Let's see, reckon I should reply to a couple of questions/suggestions -- can't do BAS in COD2 for a whole lot of reasons. Could do a MOHAA gun mod for COD2, but I'd like to be talked into thinking it would fill-up a server and keep it full. Yes, we could make a uo server as nearly exactly like one of the CUF servers as we wanted to, and no it's not stealing (do you mean their large maps BAS, small maps BAS, or customized TDM server? You do know they use some modern weapons in their servers, yes?). As for the suggestions about putting planes on Barbarossa, I'm not sure it's possible but if it is, it would mean a modding of the Barb map to put the planes in, which would take a lot of time and work, plus Barb needs the azh vehicle mod but the planes don't typically work with it (they need the platinum war mod), so that would have to be modded to make it work..... you tell me if you think such a Barbarossa mod would make and keep a full server?

To summarize server suggestions, based on what is here and what I got in pms -- A server that would be a big hit, get full and stay full, and you would play it or camp it exclusively everytime you sat down at your computer:

For CODUO - Go back to the way we first did the Frontline server, with GFM on it and add a bunch of other popular maps, some stock some custom to it (suggestions were Kursk, Barb, Ponyri, Vitebks, GunAssault, AxFoyNight, Dragoon, Frontline). Emphasis on great weapons sounds and lots of blood spatter.

and/or

Pretty much copy one of the CUF servers. (You tell me which one you meant).

For COD2 - Leave all COD2 servers as-is and make a new one (OMM, you do realize this means not only spawning a new server, but making a new instance of stats generation in all varieties and modifying the webpages to show the stats and the new server?? Are you sure you don't want to simply replace one of the empty servers??). It should be a rifles-only running Toujane/Matmata and possibly Carentan. It should have voting option turned on to make it CTF with choice of all stock maps.

As for putting up a CSS server, I used to play CSS and still have it. I don't know anything about putting up a CSS server, but I can't think it would be that hard. One thing I don't know is if those big numbers of CSS players include server-bots, anyone know?

Did I miss anything, or does that summarize it pretty well?

OMM, do you think we should schedule a meeting in vent for all interested to discuss/decide on the servers? Or just do a bit more forums chatter and then go for it?

Good summary.

I'm not sure about keeping COD2 Mix Maps as it stands since it is the only COD2 server that anyone would call dead. It might be the one we convert to a rifles only Toujane/Carentan with optional access to the some of the custom maps.

Any mod to Barbarossa should not be done without a vote and agreement by Scrapyard Bob. That server is a MOB original and it is just too popular to start changing without careful consderation. I would personally recommend that we don't touch it.

Let's just split up the efforts for this server "refreshing". Steel and TA6pak to determine the pulse of the UO folks and I'll work with the COD2 folks. Steel will make the recommended changes to UO and I will make the recommended changes to COD2.

Everyone OK with that?

Old Man Mike

Hi All,



Counterstrike? Man I haven't played that in 5 years, might be cool to get one of those going. I wouldn't mind seeing a CTF server for UO something like what FKR has going but without their mods maybe modern weapons? BAS modern weapons would also be cool. Might also be nice to have a BAS server that rotated some non-stock maps.



Just a brain dump.

Wino

I would love a Carentan 24/7.
I also woudn't mind that railyard map, or is it called Depot? The one with the tank warehouse.

I would also enjoy a Kursk 24/7 with the Plane Mod. And I like the map that CuF League has with the tunnels that are full of water.

To be honest, I liked the German front boards.I liked the options when it came to being a player, I thought that was really kind of a neat trick, so-to-speak. I'd help revive them if anyone else was interested.







Thats a good idea I think! Like I said a few seconds ago, I'd play this board alot if we could get just a few people to play it regularly....

With the Frontline Server why not just add some maps to it.

1.kharkov_bas_beta

2.smolenskF

3.mp_ex_nihilo_uk

4.mp_uo_ardennes1944

5.vitebsk_F



Why not these maps?

These maps are very good BAS maps.

kharkov, smolensk and ardennes 44 r indeed good maps, and I think that if there was a rotation of these maps, it would attract players. Barbarossa and tuchola were great sucesses cause barb was like the oldest of them all, and tuchola was at the begining always populated by MOB'ers, beacsue it was scrapyardbob who did it and ppl were checking it out, and soon more ppl came and stayed, despite fewer mobsters being there... so if a similar approach was made to these maps(or map) would be worthwile. I loved smolensk, but there were not always full because there needs to be like 5 ppl to make others come, I remember, on weekends whern MOB'sters and reugrals came, and barbarossa was full, they came there and soon more ppl came and it was packed on the weekends, but during the week, mabye like 3 ppl tops. I guess it would need advertising, like I first came to tuchola after seeing console in barb say "see our very own scrapyardbob's map - tuchola", probably otherwise I would not even go there... so these would need something like that, advertisemnt.



And it could be done that its a roation or mabye like everyday a diffrent map, like when smolensk was conquest on tuesdays and saturdays or something. mix it up and stuff.



And one last suggestion... or question is there a place on mobclan.com sie to get the maps to download, cause my friend wanted to play but he said it take a long time to download via callofduty, but he could do it if there it was somewhere on website, like during the night... I think that would let ppl download maps and play, cause on barb and tuchola i see everyday



so-and-so disconnected

download disconnected...



mabye the map obtaination itslef is a problem.

Outstanding idea! To be honest, and not to slag any other clans or servers, I'd much rather play MOB boards, and the addition of these along with the german front mods, would keep me here all the time.

I have been meaning to float some $$ MOB's way, and I think I can safely say I'd do it all the time if this was the case.

I was pondering about it, and came to the conclusion that perhaps another barbarossa server would do it, just like in the old days, it would be with not time limit, or perhaps 2 hours or something, because then ppl would not leave after a game ands(since it might take some time) and more ppl would join, and soon people would get used to that server, and then things could be done to it, like new maps and stuff... because that's what happend to tuchola, and look at it today, always some ppl playing, and often full to capacity...

well I am

maybe some of the regs as well as Mob clan members could get the gfm thing going because it really is the best format out there.....reasons? here are a few

1 classes....very cool
2.new weapons and tanks
3.not as much zoom when you bring up the iron sights

too bad no one plays on it because the only gfm servers out there are too far away and my ping is bogus

love the Rip

Okay ya'll, the server is running and ready for ya. The name of it is {MOB} Best Custom Maps at 8.9.4.78:28960 . I added a couple more maps too that I thought you might enjoy - Foy West Night and Downtown Stalingrad. And I spiced things up with a bit of extra blood and some other goodies. Frag on!!

Wow, is that a wad of dollars on the horizon floating our way?

Someone get the fishnet.

Old Man Mike

COME ON GUYS,steel and omm went to all this trouble ,lets play the server and make suggestions to make it better. in rotation is it possible to add barb and smolensk?

we were in there today less then 40 mins ago,and everyone got kicked out and couldnt reconnect.

PM sent to Steel about it.

I'm looking into it. The vitebsk map seems to be the one causing the trouble.

Played Foy Night with Steel, Shred, Overheated, McCoy and Parts of BC last night. Was good fun until the server crashed while loading Smolensk.

Can I suggest adding Tuchola Forest to the rotation so others who haven't played it and/or don't know about our TF server can see the map?

Will definitely be stopping in there regularly

I think I've got all the bugs out now. But I see now that the reason for the problems will limit the maps we can run on this server. The thing is, some of the custom maps require certain mods running with them, e.g. the azh_vehicles mod. However other of these maps will not run with any mods at all on the server, otherwise it goes over the max_gamestate allotment and crashes the server.

So for now, I've got in there just the maps that do not run with any mods (except I do have my custom compass etc mod in there, but that's okay): Kharkov_bas_beta, mp_foy_west_night, downtown_stalingrad, mp_ex_nihilo_uk.

Later, if you do want Tuchola Forrest and also smolensk, ardennes1944, and vitebsk, I'll have to take off the current maps, put these on, and also the mods it takes to make them run right.

I never knew that BAS maps are so much more finicky and close to being maxed for gamestate as they are. Learn somethin' new everyday!

Thanks to all the guys who played tonight and helped catch the bugs. We'll know more when the server gets even more players.

Great job Steel! Surely a server to visit.

being kharkov is my favorite i hate to say this-we should take it out,it always has problems where ever i play.

when i was in 1stad, one mod if loved playing was a sniper mod with a scope. That was the only gun that you were allowed to use. The thing was the maps were really big and axis had to stay on one side and allies had to stay on the other, you weren't allowed to cross over or you blew up, unless spawned on the other side. The thing about the sniper rifle was that you could zoom in 3 times by hitting the "M" key, is was so funny you could just about see the wrinkles on there face. I would at least like to see that gun in some of the modded servers for people who just like to sit back and snipe. there was also alot of blood with it and it told you were you hit them and how far it was.

i have to agree with you cero,ive been a long time player at red skies tonight which is sniper only with no run and gun ,pistols etc.. i was recently banned from there when a guy came out of a wall and shot me , i typed "wtf" and was banned.i liked how strict they were about language and the run and gun because sniping is about patience not running around like a little kid,but im speechless for being banned for typing wtf.

i miss the sniper server ALOOOT ! they have 10 slots and its full most the time.i would log on every morning at 10am and it would still be full at 3 am . you need one guy to log on and within 5 minutes you got guys coming in .i would suggest checking out what they do , if you can get on , its alot of fun. ps- its under deathmatch.

maps they use-
pavlov-the best
valley day
valley night
hutrgen
ponyri
berlin -by far the best sniper map evr
kahrkov
a few destroyed city maps i cant rememeber the names of but very competitive.i dont think it would be huge for mob but it would fill up. oh and they used tripwires but it was hard to get a second nade and it was the normal cod uo settings for scope ,weapons and firing.

Wow Steel what a great job. Last night we had a packed server..... we brought all the players from the barb server over. The map was Foy( night)... how amazing was that. You should look at the comments in the logs, players stated they felt like they were in a whole new game.. it was so awesome. The one thing that may be a negative at this time is the time length on the games. A bunch of us were talking and someone suggested it be changed to 30 mins per side.

I think right now you have it set to 60 mins per side. If the time limit was lowered people could cycle through the maps a little more. I enjoy Foy, but playing 2 hours was a little much. I love the way you opened some of the closed building and had the availability to get on roof tops. Thank goodness for that, because I needed to get Pain and Krueger off the 88 lol .

Great job Steel

More feedback to come as I continue to try out the maps.

T/A6Pak

You're welcome. I'll set the time to 30 minutes, no problem.... ignore my pm asking what the time should be.

I'll be monkeying with the German Front Mod server next. Gonna make it a rockin' server too in the next day or so. Stay tuned...... :-)

yay! i love the sounds already can yo add blood and some germans bitching when their shot ?

1 question.I thought our uo servers were very popular until the problems that some members created.Maybe I am wrong but that is what I thought.Our CoD2 rifles server is doing well.I say make the stock maps a 3 or 4 map rotation of the most popular and see how it goes.I say drop uo and everyone play CoD2 and our servers would be full all the time.lol

hate to say this but the first ww2 mp with merit that comes along cod2 will be all done. im waiting to see what moh does and when its a hit im sure there will be alot of empty servers for cod2. i like the rifles server but tdm is a ghost town.

Drop UO, when you pry the gun out of my cold dead fingers.

I'm waiting for MOH also and hope it will be a WWII FPS blockbuster.

A bunch of us played on the best custom maps server Saturday after the DLS scrim and had a great time.

The only problem was that when I tried to download the maps I kept getting an invalid file referenced error.

Come to fine out the AHZ vehicle pk3 file was causing the problem.

So FYI, if anyone else has this problem, I fixed it by moving the above file from my UO folder to my desktop, then after the downloads I put it back into my uo folder.