Not to take anything away from the MOD weapons Barb (and other maps on that server). I sure do miss regular sniper rilfes and just getting smoked by Abuse by a bolt action. So, is it just me? Ok, let me have it, i can take the abuse.

Shazbot

Yeah I miss playing on Barbarossa

No, not really.

I miss playing Tuc,barb and even stock maps anything is better than modern weapon mods.By the way had a great time on stock maps last night lotta fun good games.

Lol Shazbot, I have been Smoked by you plenty of times on Barb and the forest as well. I think when the new wears off of modern weapons Barb the old Barb will be rocking again. The modern weapons base server is really cool and Steel has done a tremendous job bringing it to us. Thank you Steel. It will not be long before the regular Barb and the Forest is kicking again............Atleast until MOHAA Airbourne comes out in August.........

Don't get me wrong, the server totally kick ass. It's the first "new" server besides Tuch, Barb and Stocks that is always populated (completely full i might add). Steel has done an amazing job, guess I'm just being nostalgic - sob - weep - sob!

It's a very different style game. Much faster, requires more "skills" and less hard work/dedication. I am afraid we will lose some Regs of Barb, but such is life I suppose.

It would really hurt the higher ping players (or slower reflex crowd) who used to make up for it by mostly staying in tanks and/or mastering pak shots. Also, the WW2 buffs miss it too I'm sure.

Personally, I like both. It will be interesting to see if original Barb makes a comeback over time.

Stocks is a great place to come by and get a flavor for the old weapons. Plus the maps rotate so you won't feel like a gerbil running in a cage.

i wish the forest was still alive. as for mod sever its ok if your a unreal torment player. stocks is always good to start the day on. i guess alota people enjoy that super fast game play so it just might kill off barb for awhile or for good.

You're not the only one Shaz. I miss it a great deal. I miss stock maps as well. Up until last night stocks has been a ghost town since modern weapons took over. I play 90% on CSA stocks anymore. Almost the same as our stocks except some maps only go one round and I think Ponyri is in the rotation twice. Some very good players there too.



-Pain

Yeah, I miss old-school Barb. But I enjoy the fast paced action provided by the Modern Weapons BAS mod - although it's just mindless killing, not as much strategy involved.

Oh, I also like the fact that tank and pak whores arent as prevalent!

I miss the old Barb. It would be better if the mod was on a 24/7 Barb for me anyways.

I miss NOT being shot from half way across the map.

....Talking about Dragunov, Mule?

I've been watching Barb ever since this thread started, and I just don't understand something. Everyday, I see 3-7 players in Barb, trying to get a game going. I don't see one {MOB} tag among them. I look up the names in the stats, not one {MOB} smurf from what I can tell.

So, what is it you are really missing? You can obviously play Barb, there are players in the server wanting to play.

And even if there weren't players in there exactly when you wanted to play, all you'd have to do is camp the server for 10 minutes or so and players would come in.

I dont know about everyone, but usually when I play, I check all our servers. I usually hop into which ever one has more players. I hate waiting for players in an empty server if I could be playing with others in another server. Plus, I do like your new mod. My perfect world would be a 24/7 server of Barb with the new mod in it. Im sure not everyone would agree with what my tastes are, but thats just my opinion.

Ah, so you miss having a group of players there at your convenience. Got it, LOL!

As for running my mods with only Barb, it will not work. That's the first experiment we tried. Sorry.

Hey, no need to be sorry. Im glad that you made it in the first place. Its awesome. Thanks for your hard work and efforts for the clan! I dont know what works and dont, so please dont mind my asking for the world!! lol.

Testing the theory now. Will camp Barb, prime time. See what happens. Report back soon!

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OK. 40 minutes later, basically maxed out at 3 players. Me, Thiafighter, and Pain. Most of the time just Pain and me. We played one game before giving up. So yeah, it's hard to get it going.

Like I say, I like the new, and I like the old, but there's no doubt this competes with ourselves. This mod is definately drawing new people, but of course, we are going to lose some of the "old school" types.

If I was to suggest a major tweak to the MW BAS server, it would be to jack up the tanks so they can compete better with the modern hand weapons. Faster turning turrents, increase the speed a little, bump up the armour, shorten the re-fire length, etc. Don't know how easy or possible this is, but it might help the tank lovers appreciate MW more. As it stands now, getting in a tank is not much better than suicide.

People will play wherever MOB guys play, cause we are the shit.

If a bunch of us decide to got to MW BAS, then everything else will be empty.

If we got to Stocks. Everything else will be empty.

If we go to Tuchola, Everything else will be empty.

Lets not dwell on this too much.

MOB friggin rules.

I beg to differ. There's very little "skill" involved in the MW Barbarossa. Not with those weapons...the Noobanov (the weapon of choice for about 90% of the players) requires little skill from its user. It has a powerful scope, no recoil and it can be switch to fully auto fire. How hard is it to kill someone with that? Not very.

And, as far as hard work goes, there are still some players who understand that this is still Base Assault and not TDM. We MFD guys are constantly trying to blow up the bases; obviously there are some MOB and other regulars doing the same.

However, I've noticed that, particularly on the German team (but also somewhat on the Russian team), players seem content to do nothing but sit at the top of the hill at R2 or the forward mid-Russian artillery piece and snipe away without even entertaining the thought of blowing up a base.

Funny thing is we (the Russian team) made these lazy Germans pay the other night by sneaking through and blowing up G2 and G3 simultaneously while they did very little to help their team. They didn't even try to run back and defuse. Nothing more satisfying than abusing a bunch of lazy Germs.

So, in conclusion, I REALLY like the server but let's not pretend it's about skill.

Well, people say the Draganov is not a skill weapon, but I disagree. You see, it shoots where you point it. Unlike the PPSH, where it shoots all over the place. Even the MP44 has a wide range. Noobanov, it goes where you point it, almost everyone has one, so whoever is faster on the draw and points directly at their target quicker, wins. You can say it is overpowered and unrealistic, but in the end very skilled people are going to be devastating with it, much more than slow reflex, shaky-trigger finger types. Guns like the PPSH and MP44 had a higher "fluke" ratio than the Dragunov. (or however you spell it). I think this argument is a matter of perspective, but that is mine. I mean, people used to call the PPSH a "noob" weapon because it threw out a huge spray of bullets (spray and pray). Now the Draganov is a noob weapon because it shoots straight as an arrow? WTF? How can 2 opposite weapons both be derided as nooby weapons? LOL

Anyway, I can agree with the rest. I'm like a human shooting gallery out there, almost always lead my team in deaths because I'm trying to charge through the carnage. Surprised no one came back in the game you mentioned though. That's the worst thing about planting now. People can get back from ANYWHERE. Hold you're rocket and you can sprint from across the map and defuse in time. I once ran all the way back from R2 to G2, killed the planter, and defused. Trying to defend a plant singlehandedly is near impossible now I find.

I have to agree with havoc...a lot of fun yes, if you can stay alive longer than 30 seconds after coming into an already started game. From the start there's always the chance of trying different strategies to keep it UO, but once it's rolling it really IS just deathmatch for most players.



-Pain

You need more team work now to plant and defuse b/c of the firepower one person can wield.

Use smoke to neutralize the range and effectiveness of the Drag, etc.

I have to agree with everything you said majorhavoc.

I've seen it many times myself.

The problem is that the team that works together is rare on this server. If I'm not on with 6FootUnder, IPFreely, Fresh-Jive-Five and ssgtfazz (or some combination of them), I'm screwed. In fact, I played at 5:30 PM Eastern yesterday (without other MFD) for about 20 minutes. I was THE ONLY player on the Russian team to set a base during that round. I set G2 twice and G3 once and was killed all three times before the bases blew. Want to know why? Because there was not a single green triangle on my compass within 10 miles of the base I was setting. They were all busy sniping at Germans at the sandbags, or hiding in the cornfield sniping, or sitting in the Russian village sniping, etc.

Again, I really LOVE this server and will continue to play it (and score damn well without using the Noobanov, if I must say), but skilled players are becoming much more rare. And I mean skilled as in players who get to bases and set them as well as assist in covering the plant. This, after all, is Modern Weapons BASE ASSAULT.

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I must clear the air. Firstly, Steel this is a great mod and has really breathed life into MOB servers, Hope you didn't take my comments as criticism, just waxing nostalgic i guess.

Good players are good players, no matter the weapons. The same people kick ass on this version of the map as do and did on the "stock weapons" maps. The only frustrating thing is getting worked over by people you know you would be owning on "stock" weapons map. But hey, it's only a game and COD still occupies my thoughts every second of the day - HOW SAD IS THAT?!

That's all.

Shazbot (King of the Pings)

I understand what you are saying Havoc.

These people should learn that base blows, plants and defuses get you points quickly which leads to more nades and arty more quickly.

1) either these people will learn
2) maybe they like the maps on BAS vs the ones on the TDM server b/c of their size and less chance of a spawn rape which happens quite frequently on MWTDM.

I do know it is much harder to get any plants successfully. Part of the problem is plantable grenades. You can't just sprint into a base anymore, you got to look around, clear them out, while people are typically sniping at you. If you get in alive your artillery won't protect you nearly as well anymore as all the world champion sprinters seem to be able to race through it half the time. Covering pak fire is more useless because of the super sprint too, and the pakkers are being sniped off the pak so easily as well. Finally, satchels seems to have a smaller kill zone. So, so many tactics to defend a plant have been weakened by the new play style. Throw in the fact more guys can race back to defend using the super sprint, and you have a tough situation for 1-2 guys to successfully plant, and that's normally all you get to a base because many are, as you say, either mid-map sniping or being snipped.

Barb was always a hard map to win outright because of it's size and the clear cut "two-sides" to the map. Now it is harder. Will people learn better ways to play? Dunno. I'd personally like to see the time to set the plant shortened, or something to that effect. It's a real killer that so many people can get back so easily. I've defended a base against 4-5 attackers, only to see 3 more storm in. Many, many times I can't even complete a plant and get my gun back up and ready before I'm being overwhelmed, even though no one was really close when I started planting. It's tough.

I feel that reading MOD's Posts are like hearing my thoughts exactly. While I do think the Noobanov has increased some of the noobish players skills a little, it has a tremendous increase on the already great players. Yes, there is skill required when using this gun just as with any other gun. Especially since everyone runs almost twice as fast as before. No matter what you do with any mod or any map, there will always be those that think certain parts of the game are cheap or noobish. Shit, I tought camping with a kar was noobish for a long time. Now with the faster running, its a little less as noobish. Either way, everyone needs to accept what we are running. If anyone has any suggestions, offer them. If enough people have a valid point, im sure Steel or any other MOD makers here will look into those possiblilties. But like I say, it needs to be a large majority. In my opinion, I dont think a large majority believe the "Noobanov" needs to be tweaked down.

I do think making the tanks faster and more powerful can help the server a bit. Anyone else?

Guys, I suggest that any of these types of discussions move to inside of the mob-only or mob-regs-only forums. I know there is at least one clan reading our forums and laughing at us .... I know because one clan has been sending me screen-shots of our forums and making fun of what seems like infighting to them.

You all have valid points. It was a simple vent chat among mccoy, 6pak, and cudadad, when they were testing my latest mod, that birthed the MWBA server.

My mods have always been geared towards making MWCM TDM more fun, that's all. I never intended them to be used on a base assault server.

But as it turns out, these three individuals came up with a great idea. MWBA is climbing in the server rankings like crazy. It's gone from down in 2,000th place, zooming upwards like a rocket, and right now, it's 113th of all coduo servers worldwide and still zooming upwards. I predict it will be ranked in the top 10 by the end of July. On its current trajectory, it will overtake MWCM and all other servers running my mods too very shortly.

So, yes, things could be better/different. And I am digesting all of these suggestions and will no doubt come out with a tailored base assault mod shortly. But for now, think about how it could be better, yes, but sit back and drink in your success here, yeah?

Other clans are "laughing at us" ? What's wrong with a little friendly discussion about the merits of the weapons and the various strategies needed to win? I think anyone who's interested should be able to read this thread, and participate if they choose (MOB or not). I was actually just about to comment about how nice it was to see a reasonable discussion...


But a couple points on the topic at hand:

1. Those who excel on regular Barb or Stocks are also pretty good on the MWBA server, so I don't believe the argument that the MWBA server requires less skill. Skill, is skill - regardless of weapons.

2. You're all right about the lack of teamwork so far. As mentioned, I'm sure it has a lot to do with the server attracting 'MW players', rather than 'BA players.' Hopefully more people will begin to understand the basic concepts involved in playing Base Assault.

3. The server rocks.

My thoughts too. This is a good discussion about some of the challenges of finding balance with the MW and the AWE mod on a BAS server. IMO, lots of good points/thoughts being shared. This is one of the more interesting topics I've seen in a long time that has given me (and others) lots to think about. If anyone is making fun of that, they need to get a life.

I love both servers. The new one gives a better satisfaction of being successful, but in turn, it facilitates MANY players treating it as a point whoring situation. I have specced alot of people to gain skill in my own play, and in regular barb, you can see who infiltrates the best, and learn from them. This server promotes those high scores by enabling the dozens of flat out camping points. One, like behind G1, facing the G1 pak is a turkey shoot. I specced a guy who just sat there all game. BUT Steel gave us a fresh breath of air for our servers and should be thanked by all because of it. When I can get on to play, it is fun, more haphazard, and loose. I get all stressed on the regular Barb. But I enjoy that rush as well. Literally to each his own.

as far as other clan sending screenies. A great quote I once heard was, "the eagle does not hunt flies" It is difficult for some people to deal with being second rate. Let them laugh at our "quarrels." Differences of opinion can and will happen when there are hundreds of people playing on our servers and suggestions are welcomed.

Great work Steel. It is a shame that some people have enough time to sit and pick our forums. Sad.

Now, drinks. To alcohol, the cause of and solution to all of lifes problems.

You kind of hit on my point about the skill part of Base Assault. I'm sometimes left wondering if some of the players understand the goal and what constitutes a "win" on MW BAS. I guess I'm old school BAS (Barbarossa, especially) in that if I lose a two-round while scoring 120 points, I'm unhappy. I don't get that impression yet from some players on MW BAS...my guess is that it will change at some point.

And as far as other clans "laughing" at this discussion, I'm a little surprised. Seems like this has turned into a pretty even-handed discussion over the pros and cons of the server. I think every post on this thread has been respectful and well thought out. There are hundreds of clans that would die to have such discussions.

I say kudos to {MOB}! You've been excellent hosts for my two years or so here...so, to the other clans:

Bottom line - this server is always PACKED! It is a great server, there is no question about that. It has brought out a new breed of player though, only interested in points. Saw some players last night just going around and trying to heal people to pad their scores.

Steel will make the changes that are possible and it'll be even better than it is now - thanks in advance Steel.

Very constructive conversation in my opinion.

I miss regular Barb.

You gets point for healing? LOL! Never knew. I will note one person came in and asked if they could be the "medic". Sometimes people just want to play that way, they think it is "cool". Like people who want to load up the turnip truck for a run. It is pointless and almost always fails, but people just like driving that thing sometimes. Hey, once in a while I've jumped in it and driven across the map honking the horn on a suicide run just for kicks and to see if I could do it! Made it once on a packed map, and got German 2! No, not on MW, I'd have been sniped out in 3 seconds or less!

OK, the big question is, are things like some have suggested, tweaks to tanks, or base planting, even possible and doable without much fuss? If so, maybe we start another thread about that in the next while, get some opinions, take a vote. Personally, I like the idea of "modernizing" the tanks. That'd be a nice surprise for people, and more effective tanks would dial down the camping snipers.

Also, I used to enjoy going on jeep runs, but now I can run almost as fast as a jeep. Wouldn't it be cool if we could modernize jeeps by making them go way faster?

Actually, I have lots of ideas for balancing the MW with the BASE ASSAULT gameplay. That's what is new here. These new, super strong MW is combining with vehicles and a new style play, so it is unique. It'd be fun to discuss IMO, but obviously only is Steel is interested. I don't think anyone would know how to make the changes besides her. What do you think Steel?

Anyway, as for the MW themselves, well, these are Steel's weapons, she has the right to make them however she wishes, and if she wishes to have feedback on them, I'll sure she'll let people know!

Believe it or not I have almost stopped playing COD2 to come and play the MOW server. I was getting soooooo sick of the same old Barb. I love the modern weapons it makes for faster gameplay and makes it more exciting.

I prob wouldn't be back into our uo server if this wasn't here!!!

It is like Carentan, I got so sick of playing it on COD:UO and they went and put it on COD2
You can only play the same thing over and over again so many times with mostly the same outcome.

WW

I have to say the modern weapons twist to Barb is absolute genius. It completely changes the strategy and tactics used on the map. It is unfortunate that the accuracy and speed of the weapons force some into camping a little more than they should. Just forces us to use a little more patience and take a look in certain locations, travel in a spread out formation to insure that we dont get snipped.

That being said it would be great to get back on a few of the original weapons maps for a few rounds in between.

I miss barb, i was just getting into it too. So I started playing cod2 rifles this week and found that i seriously need some practice. i die ALOT.

If it makes you feel any better, I die alot more.

What's this? I go for a month vacation to Poland and something happened to good old barbarossa? And tuchola too?! can't you make a classic old tuchola/barbarossa rotation server and a MW tuchola/barbarossa rotation server?



Or like back whan smolansk was being the shit, we would have conquest on tuesdays, thursdays and saturdays... maybe similar thing can be applied here... I haven't played on the new barbarossa mw server(since only yesturday i have gotten internet) so i can't say anthing about it, but I know what old classical barbarossa will always be in our hearts... to me it was the first Base assault map and i gotten hooked on BA ever since... really sad to see that something has been done to upset this balance, for every warrior must learn the way of barbarossa old skool style. I trust that the mod is great, but somethings simply good as it is, and alought a bit of new stuff never hurts, sometimes we need to go back to the old stuff, that we remember and love...



BRING OLD BARBAROSSA BACK!!! Then again there is a month before i come back to USA and play, so you contemplate and come to the best conclusion... and hopefully one part of it will include the old barbarossa back...

Nobody has taken the stock Barbarossa or Tuchola Forest servers down. They are there whenever you want to play them. Frag on!

well u see this is what happens when I don't pay attention, in that case i have no complaints, and wehn I'll be back in USA I'll play on the new barbarossa and see what's what... cause from reading this thread i tought ppl were sad cause that server was replaced, but since it wasent everything's cool...

Nobody plays it anymore though. Sorry ATP, stock Barb is practically dead.

Has anyone tried the Remington 700 instead of the Dragunov?

That gun is badass. It has a greater zoom than the Dragunov (use the "m" key) and packs a hell of a punch.

Blam !

you mean theres a bigger noob gun then the Dragunov?

Nope, it's a single shot rifle, not auto like the Noobanov..........