Ok..

I received this E-mail letter from my girlfriends mom.

Her dad served in the Korean war,remember that one,ya the forgotten one.

Anyway if this is viewed as Right- wing propaganda sorry about that, But if this is true,Well i'll let you be the judge.

Here is some stuff
you don't see to often...
BILL CLINTON's
MILITARY CAREER <<<<<<<<< (Grit your teeth before
you read this!)
Bill Clinton registers for the draft on
September 08, 1964, accepting all contractual conditions of registering for
the draft. Selective Service Number is 3 26 46 228.

Bill Clinton classified 2-S
on November 17, 1964.
Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on March 20,
1968 .
Bill Clinton ordered
to report for induction on July 28, 1969.
Bill Clinton refuses to report and is not inducted
into the milit ary.
Bill
Clinton reclassified 1-D after enlisting in the United States Army Reserves on
August 07, 1969,
under
authority of COL. E. Holmes.
Clinton signs enlistment papers and takes oath of
enlistment. Bill Clinton fails to report to his duty station at the
University of Arkansas ROTC, September 1969.
Bill Clinton reclassified 1- A on October 30, 1969 ,
as enlistment with Army Reserves is revoked by Colonel E. Holmes and
Clinton now AWOL and subject to arrest under Public Law 90-40 (2)(a)
registrant who has failed to report...remain liable for induction.

Bill Clinton's birth date
lottery number is 311, drawn December 1,
1969, but anyone who has already been ordered to
report for induction is INELIGIBLE!
Bill Clinton runs for Congress (1974), while a
fugitive from justice under Public Law 90-40.
Bill Clinton runs for Arkansas Attorney General
(1976), while a fugitive from justice.
Bill Clinton receives pardon on January 21, 1977 ,
from President Carter.
Bill
Clinton becomes the FIRST PARDONED FEDERAL FELON ever to serve as President of
the United States .
All these facts come from Freedom of Information
requests, public laws, and various books that have been published,&nb sp;
and have not been refuted by Clinton .
After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, President
Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and
punished.
After the
1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S.
military personnel, Clinton promised that those
responsible would be hunted down and punished.
After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi
Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 U.S. military personnel, Clinton
promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1998 bombing of
U.S. embassies in Africa, which killed 224 and injured 5,000, Cl inton
promised that those responsible would be hunted down and
punished.
After the
2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured 39 U.S.
sailors, Clinton promised that those responsiblewould be hunted down and
punished.
Maybe if Clinton
had kept those promises, an estimated 3,000 people in New York and Washington,
DC. who are now dead would be alive today.
THINK ABOUT IT! It is a strange turn of
events. Hillary gets $8 Million for her forthcoming memoir. Bill
gets about $12 Million for his memoir yet to be written. This from two
people who spent 8 years being unable to recall anything about past events
while under oath.

Sincerely, Cdr. Hamilton McWhorter USN
(ret)

P.S.
Please forward this to as many people as you can! We don't want this
woman to even
THINK of
running for President!

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If that Women becomes our new "Elpresidente" you Canucksters may very well wake one morning with a new neighbor..His name.. "The Mechanic" And you can take that to the bank.I better start packing just in case..LOL..



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Not so much true. A more clear story here: http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/felon.asp

However, clearly no American Hero like George Bush Sr, Bob Dole, etc.



Slick Willy at his best dodging service.

It's always been my feeling that Clinton needed to be doing more about terrorism and Al Qaeda while he was president. All he did was send an occasional cruise missle into Afghanistan. It definately left us vulnerable and left the door wide open for them to make another attempt on the Twin Towers.
As much as I think Hillary would be awful for this country (as does my ultra-liberal, pro-feminism mother-in-law) I don't think you can hold Bill Clintons actions against her. As a matter of fact, I think she would probably be a stronger president than him. I don't agree with her politics, but I think she would be stronger than Bill, who merely used his power to bang chicks.
Oh, yeah. Clinton should have been impeached for lieing under oath.

Not perfect- but pretty close wasn't he? If seconds were allowed for past prezzies I'd like to see him back- He beats nearly ALL the clowns running now; dems and repubs - only one I really like among the candidates is Biden.

I agree with BG that billyboy is dif. from Hillary [lol- I typed out Nillary by mistake first]- I'd only want her in as a Prez because she's extremely calculating and sure of herself ; as a world leader a good asset -> but could she beat guiliani for prez in terms of popular vote?-Obama could beat the repub nominees but he's not a firm world leader-not for a long while anyway -imo.

Only thing I'd say about Billyboy is that in the climate at the the time, there wasn't an apb out on bin Laden like nowadays -some repubs would like to make it seem so but at that time they were more in hysterics about Monica rather than chasing down bin Laden....
I'd say rather than imply just a 'few' cruise missiles were launched, the actual number of 75 was very significant considering how he knew world public opinion would bash him and the USA since the world public were unaware of the significance of those strikes at Afghanistan and the Sudan.
And that's to his credit that he used his Intel to make strikes in Afghanistan AND the Sudan in appreciating al quaeda were spreading their evil claws broadly.
Sadly Bush jr. took no measures of security like ramping up airport security when reports landed on his desk in the first 8 months of his Presidency regarding airplanes planning to be used by bin ladens thugs to fly into skyscrapers.....

Why even argue this point anymore? Clinton will go down in history as one of the best presidents the US ever had and Georgie the worst (I voted for George Senior in 1992 and Bob Dole 1996 and W in 2000 if you're wondering). If people want to get into arrest records and shady activities then W might have them all beat. Just a few.

* At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas drug conviction has been erased and is not available).

* AWOL from the National Guard and deserted the military during a time of war (sound familiar)?

* Refusal to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.

Do i mind that George was less than angelic as a younger adult (if you can call your mid-30's younger)? No. Just seems weird that people continually bring Bills character into question 7 years after his presidency ended. Especially when it's in reference to Hillary, just in case you're wondering, they are 2 different people you know. The skeletons in W's closet (roughly 600,000 dead Iraqi skeletons) kind outweigh getting a blowjob from a consenting portly young woman. So, continue to cast stones in your glass house.

Is Bill Clinton runnibg for office? It seems unfair to try and smear Hillary for something Bill might or might not have done.

If you want to talk about dodging the draft, Clinton couldn't hold a candle to Bush Jr. The drunken, drug addled idiot that couldn't be bothered to finish his enlistment. What about Mr. Deferment himself Dick(and I do mean dick) Cheney?

What? Clinton dodged service all together. W actaully served as a reserve! How does that make him worse than Bill!?!?! Too funny!



Bill was only in it for personal egoism and self satisfaction. He did not push much of Hillary's or Gore's agenda. Was too afraid people would turn against him and not like him. That is very important to Bill.

However, Hillary has a clear and strong socialist agenda. Remember her govermnet controlled healthcare plan while Bill was President. I agree 100%. She should not be judges by anything her husband did. She can be judged by her reactions to what her husband did though. Regardless, I believe she would push many socialist type programs into this country that I personally do not feel would be healthy for our country and families.



She most likely will win the Dem nomination. But she has a huge probelm in getting the roughly 50% of the population that does not like her, to vote for her. She has an opportunity to turn that aroud in the debates and, unless she's and idiot (I don't believe that) she will practice and practice and practice to keep her temper down and appear likeable.



I take exception to Hellfighter suggesting Obama could beat a Rep. I can't see Obama having enough credibility and experience to beat a Guliani, Thompson, or any of the top Rep. The only reason he is where he is, is because he is a media darling. I don't think that will carry into the polls however.



Because of these reasons the Democratic nominee (Clinton or Obama) would normally be an underdog in the race for Pres. But the war in Iraq has leveled th field. If the war starts to turn around, like it appears to be, then the both Hillary or Obama are holding the short end of the stick again.

This assumes that the Rep nominee can appear somewhat different than W.



Hillary has done a great job straddling the fence and appearing somewhat tough on the war on terror and yet calling Gen. Petreais a flat out liar to his face satisfy her liberal base. I believe she will be somewhat tough on defense issues. She needs to appear strong to get the male/moderate/conservative vote. She would be better than Bill on defense who abhorred it. The funny thing is that she will get many votes because people will think she will pull out of Iraq, I hate to break it to them but whe will stay in Iraq with controled pull-out just like Bush is doing.


So I see the race at this point being about the war. If the surge continues to work as it appears to be, then Democrats need to find another club to carry.

Bush didn't finish his enlistment in the reserve. He is a deserter. The only question is was it becuase he was a coke head, or was it the alcohol problem.

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39ea05224b3e.htm

Olds story. He is not AWOL and earned his discharge. Try visiting other websites and news stations once in a while. He is no hero but he did serve flying F-102's and could have been called up for duty.

Where did Bill Clinton serve again?

He was....

Well as the ole saying goes"Birds of a feather all flock together" www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZUP-jCtsYA

The republicans could put Adolf Hitler on the ballot and I would vote for him before I ever vote to let that power hungry cunt become president. How can any of you say she has experience to be the president. She got her senate seat by cutting a deal with the democratic party. Stay with Bill during the blow job episode, get the seat, leave the moron he gets impeached. Obama isn't a bad guy. I wouldn't want to be him though if he actually won which I doubt he could. I don't think a black, muslim president would be accepted real well in certain parts of this country. I think of that Eddie Murphy skit from SNL when I think of Obama's inauguration speech.

On the other hand, the republican candidates aren't very strong either. Don't know much about them or hear much about them. Personally, I think anyone who gets to that level of politics has had to compromise there moral and ethical base so much that they have no idea what they stand for other than themselves. Whether they have a D or an R before their name, they are all assholes that lie thru their teeth and fuck the American people. When is the last time the American people had a leader that actually inspired them? FDR? Kennedy? Ike? I don't know. Since I have been alive, we have had leaders that I would be afraid to leave in a room with my daughter. I want a candidate who has limited politcal exposure, has run a successful business, and has served in the military ( for real).

Hey there- I'm back in for a bit.....
It was no mere speculation on my part about Obama beating a repub opponent as opposed to Shrillary.
The polls in the USA indicate that as a fact. I'm not a fan of Obama -even though he shows he talks the talk, I doubt he can make a good decision when its crunch time.... this after his famous 'let me scratch that [remark]' he made after he first suggested a direct attack into Pakistan would be an option on the table if a certain opportunity arose.
Search the facts out yourself regarding my observation. It points out that the potential voters though not impressed with the dems, are even less impressed by the pool of repub candidates.

Wow! never seen this side of you before

Let's see.....
Now what happened within less than 15 years of when the Nazis got voted in........

Power hungry or not- what needs to be looked at imo is who will carefully/[slyly more like] put the USA political mechanism back in good graces as the world leader and not end up slogging out police-type wars all alone [just about]. Someone who would not ignore all sensible advice from experts in order to make the smartest decisions at home and on the world stage; someone who doesn't over-ride the 'loyalty to friends' policy and bring in unqualified chums to smack-up the constitution under the cloak of 'presidential privileges'.
I can't see her being too devious under a very public limelight.
I don't really trust anyone else to lead better - I don't like her -obviously less than half of many of you - but apart from Biden -my pref- I can't see anyone else not muddling things up.

Obviously Hitler is an exageration, i just put that name in to emphasize my extreme dislike of Hillary. Satlin, Tito, Mao, Vlad the Impaler, maybe genghis Khan are reasonable, Hitler maybe extreme, but GOD I REALLY HATE THAT BITCH!!!!!!

LOL.... tell us how you really feel!!! ----ya know maybe you're right though- once she's in power, while doing her crazy cackling, she'll be making pyramids out of skulls of her opponents - like one monster not in that list - Temor [edit; Temur / tamerlane ]- -> I'm surprised history books don't dwell on him much - he was like the monster death rider himself wherever he invaded- and he came close to getting into Europe [from the East]

Pretty tough on other politicians when you look at the situation caused by the current knucklehead. Anyone, and I mean that in the most litteral sense, will be an improvement.

oopsy- mispost

LoL. I thought I could lure you out Hellfighter!

The poles you mention are not phrased as Obama running as the Dem. nominee. HUGE difference. I'm right anyway. Even Democrats are not going to vote for OBama. Why would republicans. Watch as Hillary takes the primary. Go Hillary!!!!



The real question is who will she take for a VP. At first glance I'm thinking Bill Richardson. She already has the black vote so Obama is no help there. Edwards does not seem to bridge any gap to the right and his credibility in marginal. Richardson is a respectable guy and has a "likeability" that Hillary does not have. As her well paid adviser, I will tell her to call Richardson in the morning and work a deal.

Well I guess I will just have to throw my Hat in the Ring, KTULU FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!! My credentials:
**No military service
**No Political service
**Successful Manager of 20-350 people
**Tired, Fed up, Middle Income in High Tax Bracket because My wife and I both have decent employment and are just trying to survive.
**Beleive in Hiring people smarter than me to do their jobs (Thats what I pay them for)
**Common sense rules the day, If it doesnt make sense, it is probably the wrong thing to do.

Platform
**China loses most favored nation status
**NAFTA to be re-drafted to really promote free trade of the americas
**Goverment will be told to butt out of your personal lives
**Reform the Tax codes to make things easier to compute Do I hear flat tax anyone!!!
**No government interferance with the internet
**Child Molestors get life in prison or Death by hanging, Ill give em a choice
**Thieves lose a hand for first offense, Second offense see above
**Legalized Marijuanna and Prostitution (Cops have enough to do)
**Government will cease all subsidies for Farmers NOT to grow
**The Government will pay subsidies to Farmers to grow crops to be used as fuel (I dont believe in Global Warming, But I do like to breath)
**Countries and Groups that like to burn the flag and intentionally try to tweak the American tail will be simply be ignored. (No money)
**Will cancel lease to United Nations Building and kick them out of the country. (This organization is as corrupt as any third world county)
**When I go to war I will bring a bazooka to a knife fight
**Pay structure for Politicians will be re-structured. We will use KPI's such as GNP, GDP, inflation, interest rates, Crime statistics, and Unemployment to base your pay off of. The better the numbers look, the healthier the nation and the more $$$ you will make. If the numbers look bad, you make poverty level income.
**Finally, what I do in my bedroom with my wife, her twin sister and a midget is none of your fucking business, Ill admit I did it but it is still none of your business!!

But nooooo, oh crafty Cpt. Rocket.
Read my posts a bit more to see my point of view.
I said Hillary is likely to take the nomination- I always did say that.
I don't like her entirely but I'd go with her calculating scheming mastery as a general leader in the global arena compared to the other noms.
I'm not pro-Obama- I've always said that.
Here's what I'm saying;
The polls show repubs likely to get pummeled in the election...but,
Here's how things can get interesting;
Polls show if -IF- Obama got the dem. nomination he would indeed beat out repubs and Guiliani [?] by his popularity in general alone compared to the repub opponents - remember most folks in US aren't too happy with repub noms. so far -its not a 50/50 split.
HOWEVER- If Hillary who IS widely popular in the dem party gets the nom. -now looks likely- everything changes; all the repubs despise her and any who chose to shift to dems to vote would rather vote Obama to make sure Shrillary doesn't get her likely elected spot as the dem nom.
Guiliani and Romney are currently declaring Clinton as the nom because they know if she gets the nod, she's in big trouble going against them- by popularity; also she has yet to screw up majorly in her campaign- and most likely she will unless she's really on the ball- then things are not so definate for the dems.
ps.One day you'll have to explain the US fascination with generalised 'voter' categories.
ie, the black vote, the woman vote, the nascar dad vote, the soccermom vote, the cod players vo.... oops.
I see it nowhere else in the Western democracies- regarding politicians looking for blobs of voters based on such stereotyping.
It's interesting but a bit cheesy in my books how the catergorization in the US media is misrepresenting and acceptably endorsed stereotyping- there are in reality gay repubs, women-not-voting hillary voters, conservative blacks.

I hope she'd pick Joe Biden for VP- he's savvy and not phoney.... from what I know.





I was ready to get a Ktulu-Girls [ re; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekSxxlj6rGE] campaign going for you but you avoided taking a position on the Health care debate in that list- yer just like all the other politicians

I understand. My point is that Hillary is very well known. Whether one likes her or not, they know of her. The same with Obama being promoted so heavily by the media.

The republicans do not have someone who is so flashy and capturing all the headlines. If the media was not so much liberally biased they would be carrying Guliani on there shoulders, but they have even more liberal people to suppoort than him in Obama and hillary.

So Rep's don't have a flashy kindy of guy. Once the primaries are over it all changes. Then it's all about the 2 people left. That's when the poles strart to count for who would you vote for Pres.

I am suprised you don't have "voter catergories" in Canada. I assumed it was a normal human response.
Of course there are black conservatives, for example. However they only a samal percent of the total black population in the US. And they are called lot's of demeaning names by the ones that aren't.

The "catergories" here are a direct result of the Immagration Melting Pot, strong religious background, Civil War, liberal universities, ethnic issues and more.

6 Pak sent this to me.

Muhahahaaa

Ktulu I would vote for you in heartbeat. You should run because you are the first person I have ever agreed with. please don't take that as an insult.





Ktulu for President!!!!!!!

I'd almost advocate removing all of our current Washington Reps and replacing them with a random lottery of participants. Anything would be better than the people we have as choices to elect. Would be nice to be governed by a random sampling of the population instead of the powerful elite.... no way for Joe Q Public to come from no where and be Pres IMO.

I think this country has had enough of the Clinton/Bush regimes.... It is time for someone new and fresh... KT for Pres.!!!

VOTE ALL INCUMBENTS OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is the man to restore the Republic! www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWfIhFhelm8

who is that- Chewbacca and a blonde Princess Leia? [ I hope that pic was ok for 'public' use ]




Nope- we don't have that- I lived around a few places too-like Europe [all with large ethnic melting pots] and I've seen nothing like that level of promotional hype in Poiliticians/media assuming a group will vote for someone mostly because they look like them - more in place of personal opinions on issues-> if they aren't caucasian males. It's funny but at the same time worrying that those in 'groups' may themselves be voting on that basis of 'similarity'.
Keep in mind I'm not saying that majorities of groups don't tend to one side based on what's being politically offered - ie, Hispanic/immigration issues; but it's very heavily played up openly is what makes it unique to the USA amongst West nations.

EDIT;
However, your assumption would be correct in that this does exist indeed in Quebec on the basis of language. [ bilingualism]