question is not from me, its from my kid. Both of them started sunday school after church and somehow my youngest started saying God made everything. Its not a question of whether you believe that or not, i told my kid he didn't make everything. So he started arguing with me that he did. So, like the genious that i am, i said, fine, then who made you(he started singing AC/DC then,lol), he said, God, i said, no, me and mom did. Then the big question came out, HOW? i just started at him for about 30 seconds and said, you'll find out when you older, go to bed,lol. this just happend about 10 min ago, i thought it was just too funny.

Funny and cute - not being a dad myself, I like hearing/seeing cute dad/ young son moments.

I said to my son / daughter to ask their mom........( i found that the best way to get out of that one )

He was brainwashed behind your back. Give up and get away while you still can.

How old is he Sam? Depending on his age you may or may not be able to explain things to him with the whole when a man loves a woman thing. I would rather my kids learn about those things from me rather then the back of a school bus. That way you know the have the information important for their health and safety and not some distorted version of reality some 4th grader heard from his big brother. I this day an age I think parents have some reponsibility to explain some things to them to protect them from people who can take advantage of their naivity.

Of course I have all girls so that's my wife's conversation more than I expect it will be mine.

he's only 5, i was going to say go ask your mom but shes sick as a dog so i let it go. the other one is 6 so im not too worried about the older one telling his younger brother what to do, beside i have hbo so they could learn it on there as long as its not shock video or real sex.

That's a little young to try and explain the birds and bees. Maybe they'll forget about it in the morning.

Cero,

I hate to bust your bubble, But your son is right. It was God's will that you and your wife concieved that child. He was there to help plant that seed.

I don't claim to know awhole lot about the bible but I know nothing can or can't happen unless it is God's will.

but it was so cute to of you to put this in the forums, Bless his little heart. Happy to see that the children are in Sunday School. God did make everything.

Ci.Ci.

LOL Cero, now he's going to tell all the other kids in Sunday School...haha

That is one of those precious moments that you should write in a book somewhere, then when he gets older you can tell him.

I remember when DJ was 4 yrs old and was in the tub, he looked up to me and pointed somewhere and said "You got one of these?" I said "no", he followed by "you want one?" Then he asked a few more questions... I was laughing so hard, I yelled to Dave to come take over bath duties.

To this day, we still laugh about it.

it's hard to imagine anything not being created by God somehow. Let's just hope that his Sunday school Teacher doesn't brainwash him too much.

I find it interesting that some of you akin Christianity to brain washing....

Depends on who is delivering the teaching.... like in some religions, some 'teachers' do come across as fanatical-fear mongering; you can see it in a few christian 'student camps' on occasion. You can be religious or not to notice how some things are preached from the pulpit - not to mention how some of the most inspiring 'preachers' /evangelists turn out to be phoneys - so in essence while they reigned, they were in fact brainwashing.


hey Cero, good thing you held back from giving him ice cream to take his mind off it- otherwise you'd get 'tough questions' everyday.

i didn't think about that, ill have to look for a healthy snack they like and try to bribe them with that.

Hellfighter, You are right on the money.

Ci.Ci

If nothing can or cannot happen with out god allowing it, we have no free will and making decisions would be pointless.

heyyy ci ci - long time no ci..... You must be an expert by now in the multiplayer configuring stuff
I'll come in and say 'hi' in the server sooner than l8r

I think you see too much on T.V. that has you brainwashed into thinking this is the norm and not the exception. Having a moral conviction about something does not make you full of hate or fear. It's a shame this has been your experience with what is typically a group that is anything but fearful and hate filled......

Actually I love statements like this - they are begging to be challenged. However I won't.(It could be anothere endless debate) We will never (!) convince eachother anyway. Just have to say this; I strongly disagree. The end from me

ok, whether you believe in god or not or the way of life and so on, i was just telling everyone a moment i had with my kid because i almost pissed myself,period, the end. You want to laugh about it or say that was stupid, fine. Now you want to talk about whether a 5 yr old is correct in what he was saying, then next time im in vent, ask me to get him and you can talk to him about it, besides that, if you want to bitch about the meaning of life or how it got started, start a new thread and do it there, this was a moment in my life which i won't forget and i thought i would share it with everyone, i don't do this that often.

LOL! Cero! Been down that road 3 times and have 1 more to go. Every time it's different.



As a kid, I distinctly remember sitting in the back seat with my little sister, whith my parents in the front when I blurted out "What's a B!0# job?". Should have seen the look on their faces!

I knew instantly that I must be asking about something I shouldn't! LoL!





I think I know what your trying to say here Hellfighter, however, "brainwashing" does not really fit all the cases.

Christinaity teaches that all of us are sinners. Even Billy Graham or Mother Theresa. But because Mother Theresa was a sinner, does not mean she was brainwashing those she cared for. See my point? Because we are not perfect like God, does not mean we can't be very good people that may sin on occasion.

I'll try another analogy. Marian Jones, the American Olympic sprinter, who just admitted to using illegal drugs to win here medals is a lying, cheating, phoney. Nobody would accuse here of brainwashing the audience.

So Rev. Jim Jones of the Jonestown suicide/massacre would be considered brainwasher.
However, televangelist Jim Baker would be a phoney.

Cero,

That's a good one! Once when my daughter was 3, we were swimming in a pool. I kept having to tell her not to drink the water. After repeating myself several times, I finally said. "Do you remember last week when you accidentally peed in the pool?" - "Yes daddy" - "Well other people accidentally pee in the pool too, so when you drink the pool water, you are actually drinking pee! - Do you understand?" She thought for a moment and said "Yes daddy I understand, It's ok to swim in the pee, just don't drink the pee." LOL What do you say to that?



JJ

My fave moment was watching a young youngster being asked to count....
he did well to a point ...
'eight, nine, ten, eleventeen...."

OH MAN, don't get me going on the counting, thats the funniest thing in the world. i love asking my kids to count and they skip about 30 numbers, then you correct them, they say ok, and still miss it.

Also, i love certain words they say, like for instence, my wife's mother(died at 49 of breast cancer) was deaf but could speak a little bit. When she used to say the color " blue", she would roll the "L" with here tounge like a machine gun. Its a sound that my wife and i will never forget. we'll anyway, when my oldest, still to date, say's his colors, his blue sounds just like my motherinlaws blue. my wife and i always smile or laugh when he says it. his yellow used to be "lello", it was just funny watching him try to move his lips but he says it normal now.

When I was nine, and the "baby" of the family, my mother asked me what I would do if I had a little brother or sister. I replied that I'd kill myself. It was definately not the answer my mother wanted.
When she explained that she was pregnant I asked her how a baby would fit through her belly button. She then started explaining the differences between men and women. I remember wishing I hadn't asked.
My 4 year old still pronounces Peanuts as Penis. I laugh every single time.

Now, for the off topic.
In my experience there are many (not a majority or anything, but many) Christians that don't bother to try to understand the bible, but instead let others tell them what it means. This is a big mistake, in my oppinion.
At my old job, every weekend a Christian group gathers at an intersection. On the weekends the streets are blocked so it's all pedestrian. Anyway, one person stands on a soapbox and preaches. Generally they focus on greed, for some reason. Anyway, their method is quite well planned. They don't all stand right in front of the preacher. They scatter themselves around and place themselves where they will impede the progress of others. This not only keeps people in the preachers earshot longer, it gives the next level of members a chance to pounce with their fake $1,000,000 bill that tells you how you will burn in hell. They then ask you if you believe Jesus is the saviour, etc.
One night, on my way into work a girl stopped me and started into her evangelism. I told her I was in a hurry and had to get to work.
"Greed is a deadly sin and you will burn in hell. Stop making money more important than God!"
I had never done this before, but I decided that somebody needed to explain God's ways to her.
Trying to keep calm I told her that "God has blessed me with a job and has given me an opportunity to provide for my family. To neglect the job would be an insult to God."
I then asked her if she had a job. "No, I'm in college".
"Is the college free?"
"No, my father pays the tuition."
"And he has a job..."
"That's different."
"No, it's not different. Read the bible and pray and ask God what he means and what you should believe. Don't let other people tell you what it means. You have to do the work yourself."

I have since done this a handfull of times. I no longer work there, so it probably won't happen again. I've come to call it Devangelizing, though.

I agree with the basic premise here, which is why I am not a Calvinist! Calvinism holds to a predetermined election of the saints, which I don't buy. It is actually funny that at the seminary I attend the philosophy students are all Arminians who adhere to libertarian freedom, while most of the theology students hold to Calvinism and compatiblist views of will.



Anyway, this is actually a reason I believe in God. Metaphysical naturalism doesn't allow for free will because our bodies, in this view, are highly complicated machines. Our "will" is simply chemical reactions that we have no control over. In fact, it also seems reasonable to me that if we are just complicated machines and our bodies are only developed for survival, then there isn't much good reason to believe that what anyone has to say about anything. We would be unable to verify truths because we can't know if our bodies are actually verifying truth, or what is helpful for survival.

I would argue that organisms are to well designed to have been a product of natural selection.

Though I believe genetic mutation plays a part.

I have been through too many close scrapes. I know there is a force there.

We don't have the science yet, or the enlightenment to see the whole picture. It is coming.

I have a hard time believing that we came from some primordial soup. As far as I know there is no chemical reaction that produces life. No matter how many amino acids you throw in a dish there still is something missing.

Agree. The statistical chance of any given number of amino acids spontaneiously forming any type of genome is ridiculous even in the billion's of years by any sceinetists calculations.

Scientist can't even answer the easy questions like: How are new species created? How did the eyeball form?

What was the original post about? LoL

me not telling my kid that i was drunk off my ass and don't remember conceiving him but it was probably fun.

So maybee we should throw evolution into the discussion...or scientology.....or maybee we're really just living in locker number 4683 at the MIB headquarters.....all this from Sam's funny post about his son. I could start a post about worms and by page 2 you people would be talking about 18 wheel semi trucks or some shit.

That's not where I'd go with that discussion at all. I'd probably go to why cheap liquor is better than expensive liquor.
But that's just me.