Temporarily, as an experiment, the {MOB} Barbarossa 24 x 7 server is now {MOB} Modern Weapons Barbarossa.

I've made the modern weapons mod for this server a completely different beast, based upon the feedback everyone gave. Thanks for your feedback.

1. The gun selection has been reduced.
2. The Dragunov sniper is semi-auto only (fires one shot at a time), it has no automatic mode.
3. No RPG-7's, just plain bazookas and panzershreks, so tanks can once again own the map, lol.

Also, there is no super-fast sprinting, no satchel charges, no trip-wires.

With this greatly reduced mod, the server can run back-to-back Barbarossa, 24 x7.

If you like it, it stays this way. If you don't like it, I'll put it back to stock weapons.

I'll have to give it a try. Since those are the 2 things I hate about the Mod Weapon Server, But no Satch at all? Or no ability to set it as trip? No satch at all would stink. But, I guess I'll find out, yuppers!

Thanks Steel, Should be a good try.

Oh, yes of course there are satchel charges, sorry. What I meant to say is that you can't plant them and remotely detonate them like in my other mod.

OH excellent. I hope this helps allow the map to come back. Although I'll miss pure classic weapons, it's a dead server, so perhaps this will save it, and allow for a game expereince somewhere in between classic weapons and the original MW mod that changed thew gameplay so much.


Oh, and I'd suggest if someone has the ability to rename this thread a little to something like "Barbarossa 24/7 server with Modern Weapons, VERSION 2.0, ... please give it a try Options". Just because at first I was thinking "we already have a Barb server with MW, why would we need two"!

this sounds awesome

i have to give it the try the next time i get on coduo

u really know how to make a once great server even better!

great work steel

Okay MOD, I changed the topic title just fer u, lol. ;-)

There's always the Barb practice server that can be fired-up when anyone wants to play Barb with stock weapons. Yeah?

Thanks LivetoKill. I've been trying it out since I put it up, and I'm totally not used to the stock game's slow-sprinting, LOL!!

lol steel who is after playing your modern weapons tdm and modern weapons bas

anyway keep it up i hope to see some more

Nice!

Whenever I play on a server with stock sprinting after playing with the Steel Super Sprint®, I always feel like I'm totally out of shape. It's like putting on 20 pounds (9 Kg for you foreigners), eating a turky dinner with mashed potatos and stuffing and then smoking a pack of unfiltered cigarettes before heading out to battle. LOL

It is the biggest complaint. I wouldn't mind if sprinting was tweaked so you could sprint for longer stretches, sort of a cross between stock sprint, and Steel Super Sprint®. However, I realize a tweak like that might not be possible. Personally, I don't mind it, and the lower speeds mean that the usage of jeeps actually has meaning, and even BT-7's get you where you're going faster, but when I play a stock map with people used to playing the MW server, the complaint about speed is always the same. They'd get used to it of course, but it'd take a few days of playing without Super Sprint before it doesn't seem that bad!

Steel, this is more like it !!!! love the weapons in MW but the sprinting and bazookas and tripwires and insanely acurate druganov ......even when fired from the hip can all be shelved for all i care. I've tried to play MW but it really discourages me from even trying it again, but now with the changes you said you made I will definately go and try it out........Thanks very much.

I thought your biggest complaint was that I wouldn't play defense...

Well, I saw you try, but standing beside tanks that blow up doesn't quite cut it! LOL!

I checked the server usage. 24 on MW BAS, none on MW Barb. Of course, MW BAS has all these new maps people are trying, here's hoping after the novlety wears off some will come over the MW Barb 2.0 and give it a try for their Barb fix, and we'll have 2 rocking BAS servers again.

I especially liked being able to do 2 things...

1. Use a tank without it being suicide again
2. Use a gun besides a Draganov and not get murdered. (I used something called an AK-47...ever heard of it? )

If we are going to reality in these maps, I would like to see:

1. SLOW run with MG, RPG or Baz (no matter what you are holding)
2. NO MGs, RPGs or Baz allowed in vehicles whatsoever.
3. Limit anti-tank weapons (it took more than 1 man to operate them)
4. Limit big gun ammo on tanks and PAKs or 88S


JIM

Well, not sure how close to reality it is for Nazis to be running around with A/K-47s as it is.

Otherwise, I like this setup. No sniping noobs with the Dragunov. People actually setting bases. Just like old times.

Well done, Steel!

Personally, I liked it better the other way... if you want classic barb, make it classic barb, but you will lose your stats...

I liked themodern mod 1.0, just the way it was and I think the numbers will prove it out... poor Steel, you will never make everyone happy, but the proof is in the pudding.... I believe the stats will prove that the public liked the 1.0 modern weapons... the only thing I would change is make the noobinoff auto only... I have died many times due to accidentally hitting the fire key and unexpectedly went into single shot...

Otherwise you created a real winner.... it was full all the time... I have been on with 2.0 and not many people on it other than MOB people....

I will be interested in seeing if the public stats hold up with 2.0...

Either way, I personally want to thank you Jan for all the hard work you have put into this project.... It truly is a wonder.....JOE

Yea, but how is the traffic in the server with the changes. I think we had many discussions on this topic before. My point before is actually being proven now. People like the Noobanov, People like the RPG's. The proof is in the pudding.

Yes for some of us the serious gamers, we may not like some of the unreal parts of the mod. But the decision is basically, do we want traffic? or do we want to have servers that have very little traffic but the hard core gamers like to stop by occassionally to play.

I would love to play old barb with actual hard core gamers in scrims with other clans, but when its for our public server, I enjoy playing with a full server, even if it is using a gun that a noob can own me with. I will sacrifice my stats for the fun. I really think it would be much better if allot of the old timers played the 1.0 mod like we used to play old barb and actually use tactics. Actually take the time to explain to the noobs what they are doing wrong. It will catch on and others will actually play with good tactics and there will not be as many stale mates.

My thoughts anyways.

Traffic hasn't changed. The MW weapons BAS server is still full. Barb 24/7 server is still mostly empty, but the change was only 5 days ago or so.

Some might be willing to try Barb MW 2.0 after having given the new maps on the MW BAS server a try. We should wait and see.

I know where you guys are coming from with your points. You all just took me wrong and acted like I was way off. But actually, when the new MOD came up, the traffic on that server went nuts from the start. Earlier today I looked at the servers when I made my previous post and both the TDM and BAS servers had at least 15 people in each, and the Barb server had 0. Now I am looking at all 3 again and see that both the TDM and BAS have 20 and 27 in it while Barb has 0.

My point with all of this is not which is better gameplay for us the experienced players who love playing a team effort game. My point with all of my posts on this topic is that if we had made the changes, the traffic would die down in our servers. And the loyal MOB players and few other followers would come in the servers only at certain times of the day and a 8 vs. 8 would be considered a big game.

So again, which is better? Less in our servers, but better team effort play, or more in the servers but have to deal with the Noobanov and RPG's?

Thats what I said before, and thats why I wanted change so I could prove my point. People just thought I was crazy or something, lol.

Go ahead and give it a week, or a month. The same results will be there. The server will build up when we go there and build it up, but it will never be like the current TDM and BAS servers because of the weapons mod 1.0.

We have 2 MW BAS servers now?

What no more Old Barbarossa? thanks alot.

lol... we made this change several days ago. Where have you been? Guess that proves the point....


I think that the Barb server is essentially dead... not sure what can be done. I'd play, but nearly every time I check-in the server is empty. It's not like everyone who used to play Barb now plays MWBA either tho, so I don't know where everyone has gone...

I like MWBA but I still get pissed off with all the noobs with a complete lack of BA knowledge. Perhaps we could require people to pass some sort of Base Assault for Dummies training before entering the server?!?!?! Argh!

In case you haven't noticed. Steel is not making the changes cause she have sparetime trouble. It's because the server is dead, and she's trying to make everybody happy.

I actually agree with Nothing. In the choice of an empty server(maybe 3 or 4 players) with skilled gamers, or a server packed with noobs. Well I admit that I choose the server with the noobs (despite the lack of gameplay understanding).....

When I first made Modern Weapons Custom Maps, it was empty or poorly populated for weeks, with little old me camping it every night. But once it took off, zingo, I had players anytime of the day.

If you want players to come into an empty server, you have to sit your behind in the server and wait for players. If you see it empty, and don't go in, look in a mirror, 'cause that's who is keeping it empty.

Now, there have been 6-8 non-MOB players in Modern Weapons Barb, nearly every evening. I've even gone over to Modern Weapons BAS and let everyone know there were players there in case anyone wanted to go join them and get the numbers up. Duh?! Let me guess, nobody wants to go in there if there's only 6-8 players, boo-hoo. Give me a break.

As to the comment that now there's no place to play stock Barb, wrong. The practice server is available and empty most nights, so any clan member can turn it on and a bunch go in there and play.

Or, if you'd like, I'll put Modern Weapons Barb back to stock. You will STILL have to go into it empty to get players to come.

Hey Steel,

I was so hooked with old Barb, I rarely went into any of our other servers and did not notice that was happening with the MWCM server. I did notice that when the MWBA server went active, it was hopping very fast. Many people love Barb with those weapons. Its just the right chemistry. But this chemistry is not perfect for all people. Especially the hard core players that love playing with team strategy. I guess you cant have your cake and eat it too is the proper way to describe it.

Basically, we have a choice. Old standard (dead)barb for the occasional game play, or the new one with your mod. The problem is when you tweak your mod, you will lose the traffic. Thats what I believe anyways. Your mod is what brought the traffic up so high to begin with. Weather you add super sprint, take away trips or whatever other things to satisfy the "old school Barb players" if you weaken the Druganov and take away the RPG's, I believe the traffic will not constantly be high in the server. Honestly, I look allot throughout the day at my ASE and see allot of people playing in the servers with your MOD in it through the entire day. There is a reason for it. Its the Druganov and the RPG's with the supersprint. without these, I believe the traffic will be low no matter what maps you run.

I really appreciate all you have done and dont think we all should keep bothering you with all these changes. You should just tinker with the mod and maps how you see fit. at least with 1 or 2 servers. If the popular vote is to keep one server with 24/7 barb, even though its dead, then let them have it. Let them occasionally play in it. I have not had allot of time to play lately, but when I get some time later this week, It will probably be in a server that has people in it. Thats what most do.

Okay, I'll put the barb server back to stock.

Okay, it's back to stock weapons. The experiment has ended, lol.

Steel I loved the MOW BAS server with all the custom maps that was great and always packed, Is there any way we could fit it in to keep it up full time?

Last time i look Barbarossa was pack almost everynight, befor we got a MW BAS server.

Look, I'm not sure anything is proven here. The "new" MW mod was put on a server that was already dead, a lot of people probably aren't even aware of what has happened with it. The MW server OTOH got refreshed with new maps. This isn't exactly comparing apples to apples here. Also, if there is a complaint I've heard a lot about the Barb server now it isn't the lack of a full auto Drag or the RPG missing, it's the slow running. People do miss the fast running which gets them into the action faster, especially since they're used to it.

An apples to apples comparison based on complaints some had with the MW mod would be to leave the mod as it is with only the Draganov and RPG seriously toned down. Run it for a week and compare the popularity to the previous week ON THE SAME SERVER. But what we're doing here is completely differrent and merely an attempt to see if it is possible to ressurect a dead server.

I'm sorry to see the experiment end after only 5-6 days. AFAIK, you might as well turn that server off now and stop paying for it. Experiments to revive are met with derision, yet no one goes in it otherwise. MOB should save it's money and stop paying for dead servers, especially when no one is willing to try something different.

What makes me laugh ,is you guys want Modern weapons ,but dont want to play COD 4 because it is modern weapons.

Hi Steel!

Is it possible to have 2 MW BAS servers with ver. 7 on both. One the way it is now with the new maps and turn the Barb 24/7 into a MW BAS Barb+ server with Italy or Kursk or whatever in addition.

No Barb at all is really sad......

just my 2 cents

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Thanks Steel for your effort in trying to make everybody satisfied and happy!!!
(I guess it is an almost impossible task, and that is without the "almost")

Not sure who this statement applies too.

I think some folks are confused. We have:

Modern Weapons TDM - running a bunch of custom maps. Been running for over 2 years now, still going strong.

Modern Weapons BAS - running a bunch of custom maps. It's still there up and running.

And I temporarily put modern weapons on the empty Barb server and made it Modern Weapons Barbarossa, with a specially tailored scaled back version of my weapons mod and etc, the exact changes everyone had been griping at me to make for months. The server did increase from zero players to 6-8 per night, but this simply isn't a good fit for most {MOB} hard-core Barbarossa players. The only way to get even more players is if I souped it up even more, which would piss off the {MOB} hard core Barb players even more.. a lose-lose situation for everyone. So, I put it back to Barbarossa 24x7 with stock weapons.

I really miss Barb with Modern Weapons

no one is ever happy! lol.

Your right. I just love the map. I am ok with the BAS server that changes maps, I just miss barb. Hopefully someday we will have barb again with Modern Weapons. Without constantly having people asking for all kinds of tweaks. It was fine when Steel first put it up. No changes were necessary. Oh well.

Yeah, but it's nice to have a bit of a change. I'm just as much of a Barb-junkie as the next guy, but I've enjoyed these new maps Steel has put up... unfortunately Barb causes all sorts of conflicts if it were added to the rotation.

That's why we should have 2 MW BAS servers (with version 7 on both) in addition to 1 MW TDM server.
Turn the old Barb 24/7 server into a second MW BAS server with Barb/Italy or Barb/Kursk or Barb/Ponyri.

- my 2 cents

Let me get this straight.



Modern weapons kills Barbarossa. Then Barbarossa is made into another Modern weapons server.



Lol. I just got that. I've been away.

Man I miss Barb.

Can we change the current Old Barb that no one plays on to a Barb / Italy with Steels original mod on it? That is what made the server so popular in the begining. I just really miss playing barb with the modern weapons mod also.

i agree nothign i think we should run a modded bas server with all kinds of maps. and a moded barb/ whatever server. i think this would work out well

....maybe we should make a poll about it?