For those that don't know, ex-senator Mitchell spent months compiling evidence against players that used steroids in the past years and the report was released at 2 pm est today. Complete list of names as far as I could tell (haha Clemens):

Lenny Dykstra
David Segui
Larry Bigbie
Brian Roberts
Jack Cust
Tim Laker
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Hundley
Mark Carreon
Hal Morris
Matt Franco
Rondell White
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Chuck Knoblauch
Jason Grimsley
Gregg Zaun
David Justice
F.P. Santangelo
Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle
Ron Villone
Ryan Franklin
Chris Donnels
Todd Williams
Phil Hiatt
Todd Pratt
Kevin Young
Mike Lansing
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Adam Piatt
Miguel Tejada
Jason Christansen
Mike Stanton
Stephen Randolph
Joey Hairston Jr.
Paul Lo Duca
Adam Riggs
Bart Miadich
Fernando Vina
Kevin Brown
Eric Gagne
Mike Bell
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett Jr.
Jim Parque
Brendan Donnelly
Chad Allen
Jeff Williams
Howie Clark
Nook Logan

The entire 300+ page report is available on www.espn.com

Such a sad day, Paul Lo Duca was my favorite player last year... Well, just another reason why the NHL is the best.

Wow, the list would have been shorter if they just wrote who didn't use them. As far as I am concerned, if you get caught then take the punishment... but don't start to dig up old history. I think most people are really not shocked, at least I'm not. Thought the list would be longer.

The distributor is the rat: "many of the names in the report are directly tied to information provided to Mitchell’s investigators by Kirk Radomski, a former bat boy and clubhouse attendant for the Mets who pleaded guilty to steroid distribution in April."



I'm sure Mitchell has no skeleton's in his closet.

i assure you saucy,steroid use is worse in hockey than baseball,hockey hasnt had that one all star player become vocal yet ,it will happen though .one thing mitchell had described early in his report that alot of these guys were told when they would be tested days and sometimes weeks before test day. this is happening with all sports,especially the NFL .i ,being an orioles fan since i was 7 ,knew most of that list - anderson ,segui and tejada but was amazed to see brian roberts name.these names stem from the grimsley report and basicly from a few trainors etc...,could you imagine how many players who go to mexico or get them from friends? ill bet %50 of the league is on some sort of steroid or hgh.



was amazed at the amount of current and previous boston red sox players named as well. just glad ,NOT to see Cal Ripkens name,he roomed with brady when in spring training.

MLB actively promoted drug use by:
1) Notifying players when the test would accur
2) Relaxed rules if caught (Selig's new "tougher" rules called for a ban only if caught for the 7th time)
3) Covered up some of the cases
4) MLB knew of the drug use and did absolutely nothing but coddle the players

I stopped following MLB about 7 years ago because of the continious breach of ethics on players, teams and especially the administration.

Oh of course, these names are just the tip of the iceberg.

To me though, the most troubling part of all this is how it is being revealed more and more that the teams just didn't care about what was going on. Some of the packages would be delivered right to the clubhouse... everyone must have known what was going on, it's ridiculous. It's a shamockery.

yeah, i agree. for the record,this is all sports -NOT JUST MLB . theres steroids people never heard of before so how are they going to test for them properly ?hgh ,you need a blood test .

I stopped watching baseball when the Jays last won,

So dont know what goes on in baseball land that much and dont care much.

what about hockey then .

The whole thing is a farce to me. The Players Association didn't let any of the players talk and all we have are two guys from New York who squealed like the stuck pigs they are. I'd bet my left big toe that there's a guy like this on EVERY team that they just haven't had their claws into yet. So to plaster these guys up for the world when they are barely a start is crazy. At this point who cares? We know they were dirty. Why did he need to name anyone? It's obvious that everyone from the Commish down to the bat boy in the farm leagues was involved. Until the PA will agree to blood testing (random) then the whole thing is going to be garbage. It will never happen because of "privacy". Which is a load of crap.

I think that NOW is when congress needs to get involved. They have supena (sp?) power and could force everyone to tell what they know. And from that mandate that they clean up their act with legislation. As it is nothing is going to happen and we'll still be wondering who is using what.

i love to play hockey, but i dont watch it anymore not since the early 80s and 90s

hockey change too much for me.

With the amount of money these guys make, they should be forced to take random blood tests. If caught with a drug that was in a over the counter drug that had a small amount of something not clear on the label of something, then it would be a small suspension. But if it is clear that it was these hybred steriods or HGH drugs, then its an automatic ban.

Its disgusting that it was allowed to get this far. If congress did not get involved, it would still be going on. I really love baseball. I go to the White Sox games about 10 to 15 times a year. I watch them almost every game on TV unless im working or out of town. It does hurt to know this is going on, but when the money gets as high as it does like today, its bound to happen. We just need there to be strict rules in place for it. Not only a ban, but fines that take away these guys fortunes also. I mean, some of these guys great, great, great, great grandkids, dont need to worry about ever holding a job.

If you were into sports, and someone told you that you would make 300 million over your span in the majors if you took this drug, would you? Its very tempting to many. Unless there is really harsh penalties, it will always keep occuring.

I think that a great deal of these names are put on because of he said, she said... instead of real proof like blood testing. At the end of the day anyone can make an statement about other person... but let me see the facts... they speak for themselves.

Allot of the facts in the report are actual checks that these people paid to their provider. You can see copies of the checks on espn.

That's the problem. They never tested for this stuff before...

he did a thorough report but the funny thing is it involved 2 trainors ,a bat boy and the federal grimsly report.baseball fans knew this investigation was happening but know one knew it would be this many big name players.if you read the end of the report its got all the copies of checks etc...

I'm very disappointed in some of these players, especially Pudge Rodriguez and Chuck Knoblauch. I didn't see Pudge Rodriguez on Saucy's list, but I think I saw his name on ESPN today. I was a huge fan of his when he was with the Rangers. And Knoblauch played at my alma mater, A&M.

Besides the diappointment, I'm happy all of this is coming out. It makes me angry that people "break records" by doping (as we call it in cycling). Furthermore, people give me a hard time for being a cycling fan because "everyone dopes." Clearly this is not a problem exclusive to any one sport.

theres no way to know what the checks are for. Its easy to assume that its steroids but this guy was a trainer for top athletes. $1500 may not be that much for a training w/ him. Petite spent ten days with the guy. Thats only aout $75k-$100k a year for a top of the line pro trainer. To me that's not out of line for what they would be paying a guy that was their trainer... but who knows.

I dont really give a damn, they want smaller testicles and back hair so they can hit a ball with their stick so be it. What pisses me off is the fact that the Government is wasting and has wasted so much friggen time on this crap. How many tax dollars do we need to spend on something so stupid. If this was going on at Microsoft, their would be a POLICE investigation and the people would be charged and tried. But in this case we have to stop the government for days on end for hearings and grandstanding when these fuckers should be behind closed doors trying to figure out ways to get our troops in Afganistan and Iraq the equipment they need to do the job. as Forrest Gump would say "Thats all I got to say about that"

Great Point KT!!!

There have been a great deal of debates on this issue and at the end of the day it comes down to certain players having an advantage over other players due to the fact that they did roids. This effects pay, who makes the cut, etc. At the end of the day it goes towards the intergrity of the person and what they are willing to do to make that extra dollar and the the intergrity of the league as a whole.

We all know what happened after the stike, they lost a great deal of money. The stands were empty for a long time. They finally get the fans back and this... wow.

Hmmm, wonder what would happen if they tested the NFL players.... drum roll please.

How much did this inquiry cost the USA? If they would have had the proper test in place from the beginning this would never have happened.. at least not to this extent.

thats all fine and good but its effecting more than just MLB players. you have kids in 10th grade who aspire to be in the MLB using steroids .hell i see it in my gym every day.horrible,these guys any way you look at it are roll models.no one gives a damn when a wrestler kills his kids and wife,except the fact hes been roided out his whole life and just went nuts ,the kids see this crap wether its baseball ,ping pong or wrestling .

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Noooo not Nook Logan too!

You are right Undead, it is a disgrace that these kids look up to the players as role models instead of their parents. I see every day the effects of parents who let their kids lead their own lives.....Parents need to regain control of the kids and return to beating the shit out of them to get their attention. It has worked for centuries but we have evolved to a good old time out, If my Parents had done that to me I would have laughed my ass off while I was peeing in the corner or smearing boogers on the wall.

The left wing PC liberal kooks have made it almost illegal to discipline a child. Not that they try or care but they go so far as to make it almost impossible for the people who actually do. If my mom did what she did to me 25 yrs ago now she'd go to jail. And no my mom didn't abuse me. But I knew right from wrong and if I did wrong she made it completely unworthwhile. I see kids everyday I'd like to grab up by their too low hanging pants and shake the hell out of them. Unfortunately I'd be the one to get in trouble...

Thats all too true Geno.

I think the gouvment took the rights of parents to discipline there own kids.

Im not saying its ok to beat your kids, but when i was a kid i got the belt twice and i can tell you

i never did what i did EVER again.

And i think the law has to be tougther on kids who break the law.

What are you basing your accusations against hockey on???

mod ,its there -trust me . all sports.

i think if the kids know theres a more thorough testing method and harsher penalties ,alot would probably think twice.MLB is a slave to the players union and is going to be the reason for its demise-no salary cap- lame drug testing.heres a question, me as a father ,do i want to take my son to the ball park to see a bunch of millionare drug users and spend $150 for a hot dog and 2 beers?or take him to the zoo?



kt ,i do agree although we do use the timeout method,lol. now that im at the office 5 to 6 days a week i see my wife slowly moving towards throwing that method out the window .

Well, you said that it is worse in hockey than baseball. Frankly, when the rumours have been swirling around baseball for over a decade now and we now have a report that names some of the bigger names, and just those linked to one guy, I think it's some wrong to throw out a blanket accusation at another sport with no evidence. Yes, of course there are atheletes everywhere using steriods, but in baseball it seems like it has gone that extra step to being a part of the culture. One suspects that any player not satisfied with the current state of his game could easily find someone in his clubhouse who could help his start the steriod cycle.

The union in this all has been dispicable. Instead of calling meeting and trying to come up with a plan that would eliminate drug use so ALL their members could compete on an even level, they've done their best to protect the guilty. What must a ball player who hasn't used steriods be thinking? Clemens and Bonds break records and make untold millions, and when it is discovered they cheated to make themselves better at the expense of other players, the union is looking out for THE CHEATERS, and ignores the innocent!

With 25 million dollars contracts to players for 1 year's service, baseball could obviously afford to hire an army of testers to scoure the major and minor league's with surprise tests. If there was any will to fix the problem, they could do it.

However, the first step would be to ban all people listed from any Hall of Fame entry, period. Then launch a fuller investigation and if steriod use can be proven more conclusively, start lifetime bans from baseball. Strike Bonds and Clemens records from the books, etc. Baseball is stained. If they want to remove it, time for some harsh justice. Don't let the league's most successful cheaters dominate the record books or adorn Hall of Fame plaques. Send the message out to kids that baseball doesn't tolerate cheaters anymore, and that steriods isn't one of the paths to the major leagues.

Or ignore it. If they ignore it, I hope baseball fans stop going. If the execs won't send a message, the fans should. Stop cheering exposed and guilty cheaters.

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Mod, does the NHL test for steroids? HGH? every sport is plagued by steroids . you never really heard about NFL players using them until lyle alzado died and was open about overly using them through out his career.then you have Romanowski who said the phili eagles would provide them to the team,he was taking stuff and he didnt have any idea what it was-"they would invent something and i would take it,didnt know what it was" quote. Now the NFL tests (like baseball)but not as tough as the olympics.like i said in a previous post,until you have a hockey player who basicly shrivels up with multiple cancers and spills the beans about his rampant steroid use,like alzado, it will not be an issue.i can tell you that like baseball ,you have a small kid who wants into the NHL -its an easy ticket.im not downing your sport, i simply have never heard of an NHL steroid problem or testing.if theres no problems there,why test right?







a guy posted on my baseball team forums something alot of people havent thought about,the fact steroids have been in use (widely)since 1930 . i believe he posted that they didnt start testing for steroids until the 1950s and it was because of the wide use in the olympics.how can you say none of the baseball ,hockey,basketball and football players (around the world) werent taking them then??whos to say ruth ,maris,aaron or even rose didnt take them??its an issue now because guys are breaking records that were unbreakable and steroid use is out of control all the way down to early high school players,in all sports. the mitchell report is only the tip of the ice berg being most of the info came because of the grimsley arrest ,2 trainers and a bat boy.imagine the guys (like most of the oakland raiders 6 years back) that were getting caught driving to mexico and buying them on their own?most of that team tested positive by the way which drove romanowski into retirement.

I think it's obvious that in physical sports (not baseball, bowling, chess or other mambo-jambo stuff) steroids have an important effect. They are building muscles in faster pace than normal and also (for some drugs) have an effect to increase your natural pain level.. What a baseballplayer can gain of this type of steriods is beyond my belief - but hey -if they tested positive they have. Remeber in sports like cross country skiing, marathon and sports that is not so "explosive" you don't have this need for anabole steroids. In such sports you have a big advantage of drugs that can transport your blood faster/ increase your blood %. Thats why you don't see anabole steriodes in these kind of sports (not because they are more honest), but then again you have this blood doping problem.

But it's obvious that sports like Boxing, hockey, Am football, weightlifting etc.. one have a BIG advantage of anabole steriod towards the clean athletes. So by any logical approach - these kind of sports have a way bigger problem with steroids than for instance baseball.

I disagree Kleerance. The effect steroids and other performance enhancing drugs have on baseball is the speed and power of the bat swing. Not sure if you have ever stood in front of a baseball coming at you at 75 + mph but the speed of the ball is simply "awesome". There is no doubt that many of the HR's we have seen the last 10 years form some people are the direct result of these drugs.

The money to be made is also so "awesome" that wannabee's and veterans are under tremendous pressure to use whatever means possible to get an edge.

Well, maybe Snot. Then golf must have the same big problem. Regular use of anobole steroids creates big muscles (with the right training program). My impression of a baseballplayer, or a golfer for that matter, isn't exactly "Mr. Olympia look-alikes." To me it looks like golf - speed and swing is much more important than pure muscle power..(or?) But I guess they must have some sort of effect anyway since many of those guys has been caught using it...... Anyway my purpose with my post was to make a statment about those sport which really gain advantage on steroids. (MoD wondered how Undead could claim that hockey had a bigger probl. than baseball). And baseball is not one of those sports.

Baseball and Golf are both explosive sports. Although both are more about timing than brute strength. In high school I was a HUGE 140 lbs and 5'9 and regularly hit a golf ball 320 yds. Had little to do with me being strong for sure. I do think that steroids can make someone stronger thus make the ball go farther but I still think it's not the huge advantage that some want to think it is. I'm sure somewhere someone in golf might try steroids but I don't think it's something that will benefit them.

With baseball the thing we don't know is how many of the strike outs came from pitchers who were just as juiced as the batters. So far almost all of the guys caught are pitchers. So are the numbers really that inflated? Or is it just about the same because the pitchers are just as dirty as the hitters? I think they have to take the era for what it is and move on. You can't single out 10-12 players when you know a large percentage are using something. All the Mitchell Report did was find 2 guys who would talk. There's a guy like him in EVERY club house. I'd be willing to bet my rent money on that.

yes, this is another fact.the first person you think about when you say steroids is bonds or mcguire etc -hitters.. more pitchers have come up positive then hitters.pitchers use it for a faster rehab aka mr clemens .