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This is also begining to happen in Australia. http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read....7-2AD9C7BED66B}

Where groups of Muslim men rome the streets and gang rape women white women because they deserve it because of the way they dress.The Australian Sun-Herald reports that police data show that some 70 racially motivated rapes of young white girls, one as young as 13, by Middle Eastern immigrants have taken place in the last two years.

Muslim gang rape epidemics are also sweeping Sweden, Germany, Norway and Denmark.
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Years ago I worked as a prisonguard. And of course our many muslim friends were overrepresented in this prison. Their common attitude toward "westsernized" women is that they are hookers (sorry to any muslim friends here but that's a fact.). I had a long debate with one of these nutcases. He told me that the way they dress - kissing in public - holding hands public....they have to be hookers. There was nothing I could do or say to switch his mind. And also (beside subject) any muslim could smuggle heroin to the western world with Allah as their cheerleader. Cause this is a way to "poison and plague" (in lack of a better word) the western world who is living the wrong way of life...

However I haven't registrated any organized gangrape in Norway yet.....but unorganized...yes!

What does this -the work of opportunist packs of young savage terrorizers- have to do with 'War on Terror' -ie, the fight against terrorists.
You're a indeed fear-mongeror Mr.Rocket; and only because you are you and I'm somewhat acquainted with you do I not go heavy-handed on more choice words that your tactic deserves - it reflects poorly on you that you'd stoop to Cheney-neo con tactics of 'look out- they are coming!!! Piss your pants-shoot them on sight- Don't let them rOAm our streets!"
I mean if this is your idea of what a typical Muslim really is, why don't you have a thread calling for the immediate withdrawal of troops from Iraq since no law-abiding democracy is possible with 'their attitude', by your thinking.

Really-What is your problem?! Do you not see what divisive spitefulness you're stirring up.
Kleerance said it correctly -though not intentionally - this is the work NOT of terrorists or jihadists, nor our 'muslim friends' THIS is the work of NUTCASES.....
[and Mr.Kleerance I'll assume you're not implying a criminal is representative of a whole segment of people who have the same faith - but not the same self-ego-filling perverted extremes they warp that religion towards]

Might I point out to you what gangs of thugs and nutcases who are not 'our muslim friends'/but born non-muslim do also... take your pick- soccer fan 'crews' in south america and Europe killing and vandalizing; street gangs all over the world running rampant killing for NO reason innocent pedestrians, serial thrill-killers who would love to rOAm and create mayhem-and then we could bring up a small list of home-grown fascists-dementedly calling themselves hardcore 'christian avengers of sorts'. As far as I'm concerned hang every such creep on the spot-but I suppose the justice system 'supposedly' is needed to make sure we do acknowledge guilt for the record.

I hope Mr.Rocket, you get some 'real' normal muslim interaction to develope a less phobia'd frame of mind. I'm not Muslim or arab but I grew up with that 'fear-mongered' climate created by dimwits. You do absolutely no-one any favours Rocket by these sleazy charades -except set up walls and rally formerly-non bigotted people into hating a whole segment of people in which the majority are living a normal life.... and on that don't spew out crap about 'how they live' when I know otherwise and not picking out extremes from 'buying into the neo-con's train of thought'. The War on Terror is about the fight for Freedom vs. terrorist organizations and their cronies it seems to me. The police and our politicians and the people's outrage are what will take out savages who rOAm the streets no matter who they are/where they're from/what their upbringing is.

Thankfully you're in the minority judging by the mini-historical moment in Iowa last week that put America shining in the front of the WORLD displaying the strength of diversity standing shoulder to shoulder. Those neo-con outbursts of a few years ago stirring up 'crusader rants' are now mere pathetic squeaks that the majority are fed up off.

Anyway, why don't you stay on topic- unless you add your facts that these terrorizing savages have claimed themselves to be Terrorists .
You should know well enough these are criminal acts by pack-mentality thugs -not 'Islamists'- who are exploiting a phenomenom not yet encountered; one not yet known how to crack down on -much like bands of roving street-gangs commonly mobbing pedestrians in daylight in the 90's-> and soon enough a 'system' will be in place to lay the smack of law on them in a big way. This is a law and order issue.

Hellfighter, All I did was post the news stories! Maybe you aren't, but I am very concerned about my daughters and my country and do not want this to happen in the USA. You think this is some sort of game?!?! Just a few naughty teenages running around soaping windows, steeling cigarette's and gang raping women. All harmless fun, huh?

You call it fearmongering, I call it a warning. I bet all those communities that are now dealing with this would have liked to have a little F&^%ing "fear-mongering" given to them when these immigrants moved in!

I don't really give a shit whether you think this post belong in the "War on Terror" section or not. Who the f%$# made you king? Certain ethnic people roaming the streets and gang raping women who they don't like is f$%ing terrifying!!!

The news stories are quite clear. These a gang rapes are being commited by immigrant Muslim men who are using their faith as a crutch to commit these crimes. The reason is because in their former countries of Pakistan, Aghanistan, Saudia Arabia, etc., this is accetable and standard practice. They are now exporting their standards to our neighborhoods.

Many of the news stories will purposely evade describing the perpatrators as Muslim to avoid a conflict and reprocustions from the Muslim community. Not to mention it is politically incorrect to criticize any religious group in the news, unles they are Christian.

Just the facts:
A) Do some historically Muslim countries allow gand rape of women as punishment for their behavior or dress? YES..They also keep women as slaves and mutilae their genitals.
B ) Are Muslim immigrant communites in other countries in practicing their same "standard" activites? YES
C) Are gang rapes being reported at a surging rate in these communities: YES
D) Are the perpatrators of the gang rapes Muslim men? YES
E) Do all Muslim men participate in this practice? NO. Not at all.
F) Is the media covering the fact that these are Muslim men commiting the crimes? YES.

Muslims appear to use the Koran, socio-religious teachings, and by led by examples of Mohamed to justify this. Quran 4:24 "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess."
It is well know that Mohamed kept women slaves as concubines. Is was also common practice among Mohamed's followers to rape young boys. There are news stories about how captive women are being airlifted from Darfur to Muslim countries for the purpose of slavery and rape.

"We have prepared for the unbeliever, whips and chains and blazing fires!" Koran 76:4 vs "But I tell you, Love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you" Matthew 5:44

Do you read and comprehend my post... where did I mention kids prancing around ?!!!
I referred to anyone wreaking mayhem in this thuggish fashion specifically as savages and should be hanged on the spot !!!!
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'HUH!' that in your pipe and with due respect, be kind enough to ensure you refer properly to my remarks and not distort them so wildly. geezus......

So why not throw this thread in the Sports forum.... because you have an agenda -even though you say you 'don't care'. If you're going to throw around out of place bigoted idiocy, be prepared to be called up on it. It'sa simply-phrased enquiry -so why you want to twist it into me acting like an ' f-ing king' is your own introverted-fear minded problem.

Once again I want to know how this thread is a 'War on Terror' related 'idea'. My point is you bring this up here as a war/fear mongering ploy.... deliberately slanting a war against self-destruct jihadists as instead a Crusade on the horizon against the enemy muslim population who have a mass agenda to wreak chaos.

You're referring to gang-swine who are looking for any excuse to blindside their true savage desire to rape as a pack- it's not a war on terror issue -it's a law and order issue in which these racist, bigoted savages need to be put down- Now you can spew out all the koran references you want but you're in tantrum mode....according to the bible, Jesus says pluck out 'thine offending eyes' and 'cutting off one's own offending hands' to ensure getting into Heaven -are you saying the only 'real' Christians are the ones who carry out that literally..... And before you say figure of speech- someone like you on the Muslim side of your hysteria could be writing in a similar forum saying this idea must be literal since Jesus had such high standards of self-sacrifice and immaterial living.
That quote is
"If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away ... (30) And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away...
oh look- it's from Matthew also -> Mt 5:29-30)

Only difference between our society and those you think you're enlightening me about is that we have police and laws protecting the people and don't stand for those disgusting acts as in nations in which their justice system treats such criminals so lightly if at all. You can think no-other societies in the world has a segment of criminals who wish to get away with barbaric crimes of this nature, but you know that's not true.

You splatter hideous pictures up to rally non-thinkers into your own frame of mind -much like Goebbels propoganda machine riling up common German folk into believing Jews were evil incarnate by the shapes of their head profiles / lke the Japanese fascists convinced their soldiers to be beasts slaughtering Chinese peasants, like African tribal leaders convincing their followers to slaughter rival tribes when opportunity knocks, like Bum Laden used Abu Ghareb photos to get his biggest recruitment drive going -this from Senator McCain's personal interview with a captured al quaeda operative in Iraq.

Please don't bother to 'facts' me about Muslims if you have no interaction with real Muslims in real life.
You make it seem as if abused women's shelters only have muslim women / that no other community around the world perpetrates gang rapes / if the media is covering up something-where are you getting your information from??? Oh - 'Daily Mail' ............. / standard activities-> what's standard in your opinion; what you buy into from neo-con blogs is not the reality... come visit me and I'll take you around to my 'standard' muslim chums of various 'levels', then you can judge and make credible opinionated judgements on them.

If you're really worried in general about crimes against your 'daughters' why haven't you started up any other thread relating to spousal-abuse / vicious convicted assailants of women being paroled / weakness of court-orders keeping violent men away from gfs and ex-wives etc.,

I do know a couple of muslims. Nice guys actually. We get along great. BUT that has nothing to do with nothing. Do I need to have personal friends who are pedophiles in order to state my opinion that pedophiles are serious trouble for a community and should be locked up forever? Hell no! You don't even know President Bush and yet you rail against him constantly! Whre do you get off coming at me? You should change your name to Hypocrite.

Let me get to the meat of the problem. On my original post, I posted links to a couple of news stories, a picture from those stories and wrote a bit of data from the Sun-Herald. That's it!!! The only "comment" I put in there was the heading of "Muslim gang rape coming to a neighborhood near you". Which in fact is obviuosly true in many communities. So it's not even much of an opinion.
So you quite obviuosly do not have a problem with anything I wrote. You have a problem with the world media reporting these issues. Maybe you agree that these stories should be buried and people should never be told the truth. But maybe the biggest problem you have is me posting these stories here so others can read them.

What do have against the freedom of speech? Why aren't you concerned about innocent women and children in these communities?

Posting links to news stories does not make me a propagandist! Once again your hypocracy shows because it is you who is demonizing me, by reffering to me as nazi propagandist, facist, bigot, and what-all.

I advocated no such violence or even an opinion about these gang rape atrocities in my post! I only posted links to news stories. And yet YOU attack me as if I made this all up and want to use it to justify the murder all Muslims!?!? How in the hell do your reason that?!?!?

In fact, YOU, the hypocrite, are the only one advocating violence in this post: "hang every such creep on the spot"!

The reason I posted these stories is I was shocked at how rampant this problem is. I hae heard about the issue in Australia and thought it waws isolated their. Then I stumbled on stories about the same thing happening all around Europe. Of course the media in the US, much to your liking, fails to report any of these stories.

So you don't want facts? All I can say is don't read my posts anymore then.

What amazes me is that you spend all this effort personally attacking me and yet you didn't post a single link to show these gang rapes stories are not true. Obviously you do have a problem with the facts and would rather base your entire collective knowledge about the Islamic World from your relationship with a handfull of Muslim friends. I'll remember that from now on.

I love reading your posts.... and sorry but I'lll keep reading them and giving my opinion -why wouldn't you expect that in a forum?
Why are you missing my simple point about suggesting that link to terrorists?
Where am I saying the gang-rapes are lies - exactly where have I tried to say that?
I watch/read many various international medias not only to my liking as I'm sure you do too. Yes I do know Bush from what his friends have said about him growing up and in various detailed articles about him and from what his parents and children say about him. I rail against him for his horrid policies- I said it a zillion times before here that as a person Bushactually seems like a very nice neighbour I'd like to have next door.
Apart from both of us not liking coffee, we have the same attitude to stringing up street thugs from other threads we've 'interacted in' -or no [re:some recent crime thread] also, I said justice is something that should take precedence though in case the innocent are accused- I said THAT in this thread.... anyway it's not clear to me why you think I'm a softy with vermin preying in our society.....
If you're missing my point as to how I've seen fear-mongering spurring weak minds into acting out hatred -directly verbally and physically against innocent people in a 'group' they've deemed as evil that is entirely your problem. I'm not being cheesy and telling you not to read posts nor stop writing, but if you bring up controversial issues in a forum be prepared for responses you may get crabby with. Is that so difficult?

Can you imagine us as brothers growing up together- for the sake of quiet, our parents would have no problem sending us away to seperate military schools......

To Hellfighter.

I'm sorry that I offended you about my post. I can assure you that I don't take a criminals opinions as representative of a whole segment of people who have the same faith. I'm sorry if thats the impression you received. I've worked with the complete other side as well. A serious macro-economic guy (muslim) with great theoretical skills and a stand-up-guy in every matter. He had his ramadan and was actually joking about it... and imo that's a way to loosen up a the fortified skeptical attitude (me included sorry) western people have towards muslims. But I guess when 80% of all prisoners if serious crime(more than 4 years in prison) in Norway are foreigners one get sort of paranoid! However this prisoners attitudes towards the western society is for real and he had his cheer muslim audience in the background when we had this conversation.

Anyway my original post was posted in a wrong context. I'm sorry I posted it at all. Brings no good.

I am of the opinion that the gang rape mentality comes from a socio-religious setting that is fueled by the Q'uran and given shape by examples of Mohamed and his followers. They could be called extremists.
I believe that the "terrorists" are built from the exact same system. They are often called extremists.
The "terrorists" are trying to violently force the world to conform to Islam. This is their belief.
The gang rapists are acting out their religious belief.

Here's the question I grapple with. Are the extremists the true Muslims, or are the quite, non-violent friendly Muslims, the true Muslims?

When I study the Koran, I am repelled by the numerous passages advocating violence against the infidels (non-Muslims). When I say numerous, what I really mean is: a whole gigantic pile of verses! It is truly scary.

So then I say: What about Mohamed? What was he like? Well at first he was very open to "firm persuassion". But, as his power grew he wrote more and more aggresively about the conversion of the non-Muslim world. It was convert or die. He also enslaved men and women and raped the women at will. So it is very clear that Mohamed would certainly be considered a terrorist if he were alive today. Therefore, the extremists of today are the true Muslims of yesterday.
So that is why I listed the topic here. Because I consider these thugs to be of the same ilk.


LOL! Actually, I don't want to think about that!

I love watching these two go at it.

I must agree with landser.

Nooo, I wasn't offended.... I just want to see where everyone's coming from in these debates and bounce my views/experiences at others - then I see if I get some intel that enlightens me or as you see I do alot- beat the subject to death when I don't get another's perspective I don't seek apologies in these debates; everyone has their views; all I'm doing is throwing fresh viewpoints to see things from -not changing people-lol when does that really happen. Just imagine HF as Crusty the Clown sitting behind the pc [I'm sure Mr.Rocket thinks that already ] typing out his charaded rants and you won't take me too seriously......

My biggest probs with neo-muslims [hahaha I coined a new phrase] is with nation of islam panderers [yes up here too I encounter on the street-and I give them grief.... the pamphlets [well the last one I saw several years ago]are the worst racist crappola possible-from the other side so to speak.

Are you in Norway?

In my opinion extremists being religious-definately not/perverting a religion -yes [no comparison to extremism intended but look at the rich evangelists preaching in Jesus name although Jesus made his point clearly rich people don't get into heaven....] I think today's extremists are ballistic and they are clutching at straws. Their world of power by inherited tradition is on the road to being doomed. The ways of the West appeal to the typical Muslim who immigrate to the West in large numbers, and with that melding into a new society is the sharing of ideas and adapting former traditional ways to 'progressive' ideals to various degrees. Bum Ladenand his thugs seek being top dogs in my view by being 'champions' of maintaining that old world of extremist religious doctrine which enslaves all the unfortunates beneath them.

Anyone who went to Catholic schools in the old days [me] probably had nuns running around like firebreathers and in jackboots [figure of speech]- obviously no comparison to how badly of extremist Muslims can get in maintaining power but I'm leading to my point about true religious types from my perspective of seeing loving Muslim families who share things with me.... one young Muslim lady I know for the last few years follows Muslim fasts and is going to pilgrimage this year but she wears no veil and dresses up like a scrumptious hotty. The college age Muslims I know do their daily prayers and outside of that they're freaking hilarious and joking all the time. The one Muslim family I know very well are decently headed by the soft spoken parents who joke around too... their kids are nice ages teens-pre teens.. the eldest daughter is cutely shy but is a sheer brainbox in her university science/lab studies.... I could go on with my other Muslim friends but I think my point is made.... they're practising Muslims and love nothing better than getting along with everyone else.
Here's food for thought... look at how destructive to mankind [floods/wars/wraths from heaven] in the first portion of the Bible started - then it tames down thereafter... Perhaps we can look at Muslim progression being that way too - from its warring start back many 00s of years ago to now a more globally inclusive segment of society outside of their own borders.

Maybe we should examine the 'whys' of how Bum Laden is a 'champion' for too many impressionable minds willing to blast themselves to bits for no winning purpose... his message of divisiveness is appealing. My opinion is we need to do as the US troops are doing in Iraq - opening up their hearts and ideas of inclusiveness to those like Sunni tribes formerly not familiar with interacting with foreigners, and showing them sacrifices for a real purpose of bettering the world as opposed to the enslaved world Bum Laden+Talibums wants in their own sandbox.

So my opinion is Extremists in the name of any religion are as religious as Satanists.... Any religious minds of peace are the real thing.

You can't offend Hellfighter, I already tried. LoL.

Anyway, why are you apologizing? You posted your experience with a Muslim, just the same as Hellfighter did. Please don't by into the the politically correct philosophy that no-one can say anything bad about Muslims. This is exactly what many of them want. Our obedience to their brand of Islam. The goverment of France is nearly held captive by violent Muslim immigrants rallying in their country. You want yours to be next?

geezus now we're posting at the same time too - will we start having vulcan mind-melding next?!!!
Anyway I just replied to your post before last posted one minute before your last reply -now I'm confused-goodnight