I would love to see the press do their job on every government official -senators reps and all the way down ,strip clubs ,hookers ,drugs, and their fucked up kids. Seriously.am i the only one that notices our press does their job ONLY around election time?
kids travelling?
Full Version: Find it funny theyre grilling Palin
QUOTE(Blitz @ 10/23/08 6:45am) 
Wow, I found so much sour grapes in that link its not funny.
That guy right away jumps on the bandwagon that its 'especially' minority groups getting loans for houses that he assumes they can't pay being the cause of the economic mess.
He also babbles about eveyone picking on poor Mr.Bush and McCain, and even going further to say they tried to stop the downfall.
Poor helpless Mr.Bush who masterfully and infamously weasled everything he wanted from the Congress and the Senate throughout the past years of his reign [even extra funding to continue the surge from the Dems]. But now the commenter casts Mr.Bush as the bullied figure!
Then McCain in his own words this past Spring annointed himself as 'fundamentally a deregulator'.
Then he gets into defending the Congress Repubs as riteously not voting early on the bailout vote in its 1st calling because their feelings were hurt by Pelosi's unwise snipe at them. In his mind taking offence takes precedence over making a prompt decision to save the global economy -we'll never know if they had voted yes at that time if the huge losses in the global markets would've been averted. I'm not saying the Dems who voted 'no' aren't scuzzy either though.
I find it funny he's getting riled up about journalists - he likely had no problem that the journalists saturated the Rev.Wright story all over the news for months while other issues needed to be focussed on too.
From what I recall about Palin's daughter, there was a day or two of attacks on her by a minority of irresponsible journalists- the notion there was a long term widespread 'attack' is a fantasy in his mind.
The media loves attacking ANY human who can be caricaturized. Obama is a dullard for mocking - he simply has nothing 'over-the-top' about him for the new media to exploit in drumming up an audience. In my opinion that's all its about. McCain and Palin would've done better to fire their campaign strategists and just be their normal likeable selves and be viewed as popular; instead of sinking into rabid attack hounds -its this that the media is pouncing on from what I see -a very easy target that the common person pays attention to. Couple that with the hypocracy coming out of the McCain/Palin ticket when they scream out loudly about issues but in turn make fools of themselves when it hits them back in the face;
ie, Joe /sam the unlicensed plumber who owes $1200 in taxes since Jan.2007
Palin's $150,000 makeup/clothing tab in 3 months -her supposedly being a mere hockey/walmart mom
Obama Socialist accusation+ Profit wealth being distributed to 'everyone'; when the media has not hounded Palin as a Socialist governor in the fact that she distributes Alaskan 'Oil Profits' amongst her Alaskan citizens....
Commenter should wonder why journalists don't point out more often that 'Joe the Plumber' would have benefitted better under Obama's plan. That commenter's write up is just him being bitter from what I see -if Obama/Biden were being disproportionately slammed that commenter would be instead praising the media and announcing them as being patriotic.
I think the point was that the media is so far in the tank for Obama that they are growing gills.
The fact that they have already done a rectal exam on a person who mistakenly asked Obama a question that made him look bad and then they poured thru his past is the point.
What do you know about Obama's past?
Where are his writing's from harvard?
how did he get accepted?
What was his role with acorn?
the woods foundation?
the annonberg foundation?
What about Bernardine Dohrn and Obama's wife working together?
Ayers hosting Obama's political coming out party?
....... on and on it could go these would seem like stories...except he's a democrat.
How is it that he his "mis-spoken" about his ties to Ayers numerous times yet there is no investigation about their past history?
Here are some classics quotes
He was just a guy who lived in my neighborhood.
I was only eight years old when he was throwing bombs.
I didn't know about his history when we started working together
I thought he had been rehabilitated.
The fact that he could not even get secret service clearance to be the president's bodygaurd yet no-one investigates his past?
Yea the Rev Wright thing blew up a little, if it was a republican it would have been a HUGE never ending story.
Look at the difference between the larry craig scandle coverage vs john edwards?
Look at the donations from the media to Dem's...
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.a...301702713742569
Look at the coverage by the media.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail...ccain_much.html
Yes, there is talk radio and the internet to help balance this out, and people like myself can research some facts on both sides, but the average person that turns on their local news in the AM over coffee, or to catch the evening news for the weather are swamped with left leaning bias on a daily basis.
So for these people their opinion can be swayed by the bias of the media.
The point of journalism is to give un-biased facts and present the story. The press today is writing op-ed pieces and claiming they are journalists.
Yes the person had an axe to grind in their article, that was the point.
Nancy Pelosi comes out and claims the dem's had no role in the mortgage crisis? Ummm Okay I guess here at the Dem's press operation center we will bury it on page 9 or run it on non prime time news, and get onto slamming McCain on how he said the fundamentals of our economy are strong.
The fact that they have already done a rectal exam on a person who mistakenly asked Obama a question that made him look bad and then they poured thru his past is the point.
What do you know about Obama's past?
Where are his writing's from harvard?
how did he get accepted?
What was his role with acorn?
the woods foundation?
the annonberg foundation?
What about Bernardine Dohrn and Obama's wife working together?
Ayers hosting Obama's political coming out party?
....... on and on it could go these would seem like stories...except he's a democrat.
How is it that he his "mis-spoken" about his ties to Ayers numerous times yet there is no investigation about their past history?
Here are some classics quotes
He was just a guy who lived in my neighborhood.
I was only eight years old when he was throwing bombs.
I didn't know about his history when we started working together
I thought he had been rehabilitated.
The fact that he could not even get secret service clearance to be the president's bodygaurd yet no-one investigates his past?
Yea the Rev Wright thing blew up a little, if it was a republican it would have been a HUGE never ending story.
Look at the difference between the larry craig scandle coverage vs john edwards?
Look at the donations from the media to Dem's...
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.a...301702713742569
Look at the coverage by the media.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail...ccain_much.html
Yes, there is talk radio and the internet to help balance this out, and people like myself can research some facts on both sides, but the average person that turns on their local news in the AM over coffee, or to catch the evening news for the weather are swamped with left leaning bias on a daily basis.
So for these people their opinion can be swayed by the bias of the media.
The point of journalism is to give un-biased facts and present the story. The press today is writing op-ed pieces and claiming they are journalists.
Yes the person had an axe to grind in their article, that was the point.
Nancy Pelosi comes out and claims the dem's had no role in the mortgage crisis? Ummm Okay I guess here at the Dem's press operation center we will bury it on page 9 or run it on non prime time news, and get onto slamming McCain on how he said the fundamentals of our economy are strong.
Frickin Nancy Pelosi.
There's nothing wrong with Nancy Pelosi that a big, stiff.......drink wouldn't fix.
Psycho bitch.
There's nothing wrong with Nancy Pelosi that a big, stiff.......drink wouldn't fix.
Psycho bitch.
i can promise,on any given day you follow a politician and take pics,within a week youll have a folders worth of wrong doings.
QUOTE(Blitz @ 10/23/08 7:10pm)
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Yes the person had an axe to grind in their article, that was the point.
Nancy Pelosi comes out and claims the dem's had no role in the mortgage crisis? Ummm Okay I guess here at the Dem's press operation center we will bury it on page 9 or run it on non prime time news, and get onto slamming McCain on how he said the fundamentals of our economy are strong.
Yes the person had an axe to grind in their article, that was the point.
Nancy Pelosi comes out and claims the dem's had no role in the mortgage crisis? Ummm Okay I guess here at the Dem's press operation center we will bury it on page 9 or run it on non prime time news, and get onto slamming McCain on how he said the fundamentals of our economy are strong.
Why is Obama's past considered a mystery to the point of excessively dragging it out?
Everything there is to know about his past has been uncovered -he simply has not much of a past -is that his crime !
It's as simple as that - how much pummelling does the media need to do with it- they drew out the Rev.Wright issue extensively! It's amazing people think Obama got a free pass on that - he got slaughtered with it for months and prevailed!
Regarding Ayers -WE KNOW all the facts! How much time does the media need to keep repounding the issue when there's an economic horror story in progress!
The McCanists are only upset they cannot nail Obama as an actual terrorist- their issue is not to claim Obama as not trustworthy by the friends he chose -they simply want to paint him as an unamerican terrorist in waiting -like a sleep cell agent.... its a strategy that's been pounded away with -along with much media coverage -why is there the crybaby thought that the Ayers episode is being ignored..... it's simply that the dirt with that topic is not sticking to Obama -simply because its only a case of Obama not caring about Ayers anti- American establishment opinions -he has no affiliation with Ayers views - the mCainists want to give that impression but it's a big scam - and the media is seeing that there is NO story with it.
Obama worked his ass off as a student - his mom drilled into him the need to be educated and disciplined- it's no mystery - Obama has stated how his mom worked him over on doing his homework- you can laugh, but parents putting in that kind of input make all the difference in their child's future life.
If you want to get into pointless sideline issues, why doesn't the media cover Palin's husbands affiliation with the Alaskan Inependance Party.
or Palin's blessings for the socialist program in her State regarding her endorsing "spreading the wealth/profits" of oil companies drilling there, with the Alaskan citizen - ie, dividend checks.
or- McCain and the Keating 5,
or McCain and association with Gordon Liddy
or the numerous flip flops mcCain has prescribed to now as a pseudo-right Conservative as opposed to his former Maverick centro-Republican self.
or- the McCain answer to the Acorn episode -regarding connections with the Lincoln Strategies Group and the YPM.
or why doesn't the Media pound McCain with the fact that Sam/Joe the unlicensed plumber would benefit under the Obama plan - contrary to what McCain is still rambling on in current speeches about after bring nation wide attention to a man who owes $1200 in taxes since Jan.2007
or why doesn't the media fully cover the serious rift amongst Repubs - being pro/con McCain in nature.
Pelosi made a dumb statement as do many McCain / Repub officials+ politicians -> getting equal minimal coverage time as befitting what else important is going on -> what makes more news- the stock market crashing or Pelosi's blame game occurring at the same time.
Did the media pound McCain for saying he was suspending his campaign prior to the first debte when he in actuality did not! -answer- a crisis was at hand AND coverage of the debate took prority.
What the point of journalists do in the media is far different from the roles played by editorial icons and late night show hosts do in picking sides. Journalists do in fact cover stories in a non-biased manner in the campaign. They cover the screw-ups of politicians to find out why they did those things - Obama gets coverage when he screws up- the fact is McCain and Palin and his campaign strategists are making more foul-ups lately and thus get more coverage from journalists to analyze. The rest of the media are picking sides favouring the Dems -possibly as payback for the way neo-cons and those in the Bush admin for 8 years chuckled while pounding the rightfully suspecting media as being un-American and unpatriotic for questioning the ludicrous Authorative-like stunts Cheney,Bush and cronies pulled on Americans.
Blitz, anyone who thinks the Obama/Ayers connection hasn't been THOROUGHLY investigated by the media, well, they simply haven't been paying attention.
It is pretty easy to get to the bottom of their relationship. One of the best sources for information will always be the local paper of record. If you hop on over to the Chicago Sun Times website, you can quickly find this story:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obam...ayers12.article
The key points that are worth thinking about comes from a timeline that can be constructed of the Ayers/Obama relationship.
Ayers and his wife were on the lam for 10 years. TWENTY-EIGHT years ago, they turned themselves in. She did some time. His trial ended due to misconduct at the highest levels of our government.
Look at how some of his co-conspirators have been treated, some have even been elected to public office! Now that's redemption.
By 1997, Ayers had reformed his ways to the point that he was honored at CHICAGO CITIZEN OF THE YEAR.
I don't know about you, but I certainly haven't contributed to society enough to garner anything near that kind of award. The best I ever did was employee of the month.
So, Obama meets a guy who is well known in the highest political circles in Chicago. The guy was a personal friend of the mayor for crying out loud. He was an education professor and they sat on boards together. The Woods Foundation only met FOUR times per year.
In 2001, Ayers publishes his book and now the nation reconnects with his past. You are hard pressed to find a much of an association between Ayers and Obama after 9/11. Whether you believe in redemption or not, this is a significant point in the timeline.
As for the other stuff you mentioned, I'm puzzled. Again, these stories have been covered. Once again, go to the local paper of record. In this case, it is the Boston Globe. It'll take you about two seconds to come up with this piece on Obama's time at Harvard:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/...unifying_voice/
When you read that story, pay attention to the number of people interviewed for the piece. The two reporters covered incredible ground, even interviewing Obama's former landlord. Hell, they even list the parking tickets he got during his time at Harvard!
Read about how he was selected to be president of the Law Review. When I was in college I ran for an editorship of our daily student newspaper. It wasn't nearly as intense as what he had to go through. In the end he had to convince 61 of his fellow editors to pick him out of a field of 19 candidates. I've heard an awful lot about the "favoritism" that must have been shown to Obama for him to succeed at Harvard. This story provides full evidence that that argument is BULLSHIT.
People who whine that the media doesn't do enough reporting on Obama are just plain wrong. It is a lot easier to sit back and complain than it is to go do your own research. If you actually look, you'll find that this guy has been thoroughly vetted.
It is pretty easy to get to the bottom of their relationship. One of the best sources for information will always be the local paper of record. If you hop on over to the Chicago Sun Times website, you can quickly find this story:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obam...ayers12.article
The key points that are worth thinking about comes from a timeline that can be constructed of the Ayers/Obama relationship.
Ayers and his wife were on the lam for 10 years. TWENTY-EIGHT years ago, they turned themselves in. She did some time. His trial ended due to misconduct at the highest levels of our government.
Look at how some of his co-conspirators have been treated, some have even been elected to public office! Now that's redemption.
By 1997, Ayers had reformed his ways to the point that he was honored at CHICAGO CITIZEN OF THE YEAR.
I don't know about you, but I certainly haven't contributed to society enough to garner anything near that kind of award. The best I ever did was employee of the month.
So, Obama meets a guy who is well known in the highest political circles in Chicago. The guy was a personal friend of the mayor for crying out loud. He was an education professor and they sat on boards together. The Woods Foundation only met FOUR times per year.
In 2001, Ayers publishes his book and now the nation reconnects with his past. You are hard pressed to find a much of an association between Ayers and Obama after 9/11. Whether you believe in redemption or not, this is a significant point in the timeline.
As for the other stuff you mentioned, I'm puzzled. Again, these stories have been covered. Once again, go to the local paper of record. In this case, it is the Boston Globe. It'll take you about two seconds to come up with this piece on Obama's time at Harvard:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/...unifying_voice/
When you read that story, pay attention to the number of people interviewed for the piece. The two reporters covered incredible ground, even interviewing Obama's former landlord. Hell, they even list the parking tickets he got during his time at Harvard!
Read about how he was selected to be president of the Law Review. When I was in college I ran for an editorship of our daily student newspaper. It wasn't nearly as intense as what he had to go through. In the end he had to convince 61 of his fellow editors to pick him out of a field of 19 candidates. I've heard an awful lot about the "favoritism" that must have been shown to Obama for him to succeed at Harvard. This story provides full evidence that that argument is BULLSHIT.
People who whine that the media doesn't do enough reporting on Obama are just plain wrong. It is a lot easier to sit back and complain than it is to go do your own research. If you actually look, you'll find that this guy has been thoroughly vetted.
I'll add more later.... Going out tonight....
Good posts as always (although with liberal blinders on
) by Hamma and Hellfighter!
At least you guys do research.... most lib's I usually talk to get all of their info from the daily Kos or Move on and cannot back up an argument at all.
P.S.
Yes I do know there are a lot of Limbaugh (man I can't stand that blowhard) and Hannity robots out there as well.
Take care and have a good one..... more to come...
Good posts as always (although with liberal blinders on
) by Hamma and Hellfighter!At least you guys do research.... most lib's I usually talk to get all of their info from the daily Kos or Move on and cannot back up an argument at all.
P.S.
Yes I do know there are a lot of Limbaugh (man I can't stand that blowhard) and Hannity robots out there as well.
Take care and have a good one..... more to come...
Have fun tonight. I'm heavy into the rum 'n coke at the moment and probably shouldn't even try to post ... but I just noticed a story that the NYTimes printed that is an interesting contrast to the Boston Globe's piece on Obama's experience at college. This details Palin's experience at college. What struck me was these reporters have contacted 60 of the 80 something students in her class. Man, I'd hate to have drawn that duty!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/24/us/politics/24palin.html
back to the rum ... ah fuck it, who needs the coke!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/24/us/politics/24palin.html
back to the rum ... ah fuck it, who needs the coke!
Let’s try to get this back on track…. The discussion was about the negative press coverage that Palin gets (republicans as a whole) versus Democrat’s.
I brought up links showing press coverage is strongly negative towards the republicans + Money donations from media both show a strong bias towards democratic candidates and views.
I threw out a couple of examples of issues that the media would be hounding republicans on, but alas they are democratic issues so they were characterized as…
Ayers is and old topic and there is no dirt.
A link showing how great Ayers is now, and there was no relationship (more on that later)
A link with people in liberal Harvard that love Obama… (Shocking revelation there)
I was hoping for was a reply showing that the coverage is balanced, that the money was not actually all on the democratic side from the media or something along those lines.
Yes there are republican scandals, but that is another debate… To deflect the question at hand (democratic press bias) and start another debate is an old time honored tactic.
The reason I used Ayers as an example was because it was an easy target, I could have used any one of the following.
Occidental schools records
Columbia school records (where is that thesis on soviet disarmament?)
Harvard school records (why no law review writings / transcripts?)
University of Illinois Annenberg Challenge records sealed (no record of Ayers here.)
Hawaii seals birth certificate… (Why not just show it instead of fighting a lawsuit?)
Rezko
Raines
Johnson
Raila Odinga
Rhashid Khalidi
Etc…Etc.. Etc…
So lets move on to Ayers, the point of all of the links below is to show that he has changed from a bomb throwing anarchist to a person using his academic stature to destroy America, just like he always has.
That Obama has know him for a long time contrary to his ever changing story, and that Ayers is as Marxist / communist as they come.
If Barack did not know who he was he should have because his views had not changed, just his methods. If this was the only person of questionable association, or a small link that would be one thing but that is just not the case.
Why Ayers matters.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/10/post_128.html
Foul Weather
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/oba...er_friends.html
We did not want to hurt anyone….early video BB (Before Barack)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJn5b8_weUY
Bill Ayers... Prairie Fire (read Ayers forgotten anarchist book with video)
http://www.zombietime.com/prairie_fire/
From 1998....I’d do More
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQsYzBlXK6M...feature=related
Ayers in 2002.... Teach your children well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xBlTdsnOh8...feature=related
IMO drug use should be treated as a health / addiction problem… This piece is only shown in the context of demonstrating that Ayers is not the model citizen as some say.
Ties back to high school?
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/0...to-high-school/
Ayers writes Obama’s book?
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/evi...rs_cowrote.html
Obama – Ayers Annenberg Challenge records Sealed.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/0...blocked_at.html
Ayers the teacher
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/04/bil...bversion_1.html
Ayers the teacher2
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/0..._radicaliz.html
Terrorist U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eDNHZyMfUM&NR=1
A history of radicalism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKSq2oJ0W1c...feature=related
In short I’m rambling this is a lot to pour through, Ayers in my opinion is and always will be dangerous. The fact that he is teaching teachers is a sad statement on the government indoctrination centers that we call schools. And an even sadder statement on who Obama calls friends.
I brought up links showing press coverage is strongly negative towards the republicans + Money donations from media both show a strong bias towards democratic candidates and views.
I threw out a couple of examples of issues that the media would be hounding republicans on, but alas they are democratic issues so they were characterized as…
Ayers is and old topic and there is no dirt.
A link showing how great Ayers is now, and there was no relationship (more on that later)
A link with people in liberal Harvard that love Obama… (Shocking revelation there)
I was hoping for was a reply showing that the coverage is balanced, that the money was not actually all on the democratic side from the media or something along those lines.
Yes there are republican scandals, but that is another debate… To deflect the question at hand (democratic press bias) and start another debate is an old time honored tactic.
The reason I used Ayers as an example was because it was an easy target, I could have used any one of the following.
Occidental schools records
Columbia school records (where is that thesis on soviet disarmament?)
Harvard school records (why no law review writings / transcripts?)
University of Illinois Annenberg Challenge records sealed (no record of Ayers here.)
Hawaii seals birth certificate… (Why not just show it instead of fighting a lawsuit?)
Rezko
Raines
Johnson
Raila Odinga
Rhashid Khalidi
Etc…Etc.. Etc…
So lets move on to Ayers, the point of all of the links below is to show that he has changed from a bomb throwing anarchist to a person using his academic stature to destroy America, just like he always has.
That Obama has know him for a long time contrary to his ever changing story, and that Ayers is as Marxist / communist as they come.
If Barack did not know who he was he should have because his views had not changed, just his methods. If this was the only person of questionable association, or a small link that would be one thing but that is just not the case.
Why Ayers matters.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/10/post_128.html
Foul Weather
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/oba...er_friends.html
We did not want to hurt anyone….early video BB (Before Barack)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJn5b8_weUY
Bill Ayers... Prairie Fire (read Ayers forgotten anarchist book with video)
http://www.zombietime.com/prairie_fire/
From 1998....I’d do More
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQsYzBlXK6M...feature=related
Ayers in 2002.... Teach your children well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xBlTdsnOh8...feature=related
IMO drug use should be treated as a health / addiction problem… This piece is only shown in the context of demonstrating that Ayers is not the model citizen as some say.
Ties back to high school?
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/0...to-high-school/
Ayers writes Obama’s book?
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/evi...rs_cowrote.html
Obama – Ayers Annenberg Challenge records Sealed.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/0...blocked_at.html
Ayers the teacher
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/04/bil...bversion_1.html
Ayers the teacher2
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/0..._radicaliz.html
Terrorist U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eDNHZyMfUM&NR=1
A history of radicalism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKSq2oJ0W1c...feature=related
In short I’m rambling this is a lot to pour through, Ayers in my opinion is and always will be dangerous. The fact that he is teaching teachers is a sad statement on the government indoctrination centers that we call schools. And an even sadder statement on who Obama calls friends.
I think the main issue is regarding how far can the media exploit Ayers over and over and over and nothing of it sticks with any significance to Obama.
On the otherhand, the McCain campaign are revelling in a cavalcade/circus [internal campaign/Party problems] and a huge assortment of controversies and screw-ups ... this is what the media can feast on.... to say they are siding seems a bit too simple as to the reality.
Why doesn't the media exploit Socialist Governor Palin's spreading the wealth [her words too] of Oil company profit's in Alaska to the tune of $3269 per Alaskan..... why isn't that an issue that's made into headlines to counter the McCain's current griping that Obama is a socialist.
A few weeks before she was nominated for Vice-President, she told a visiting journalist—Philip Gourevitch, of the New Yorker,
"we're set up, unlike other states in the union, where it's collectively Alaskans own the resources.
Furthermore they haven't smeared her with her and her husband's relationship to the Alaskan Independance Party - seccessionists in waiting? much like Quebec seperatists waiting for the right time.....
On the otherhand, the McCain campaign are revelling in a cavalcade/circus [internal campaign/Party problems] and a huge assortment of controversies and screw-ups ... this is what the media can feast on.... to say they are siding seems a bit too simple as to the reality.
Why doesn't the media exploit Socialist Governor Palin's spreading the wealth [her words too] of Oil company profit's in Alaska to the tune of $3269 per Alaskan..... why isn't that an issue that's made into headlines to counter the McCain's current griping that Obama is a socialist.
A few weeks before she was nominated for Vice-President, she told a visiting journalist—Philip Gourevitch, of the New Yorker,
"we're set up, unlike other states in the union, where it's collectively Alaskans own the resources.
Furthermore they haven't smeared her with her and her husband's relationship to the Alaskan Independance Party - seccessionists in waiting? much like Quebec seperatists waiting for the right time.....
Sorry I've been away for so long. I'm not quite sure what happened. I've been very busy, etc.
Anyway, I've been busy on a different forum debating politics when this morning I said to myself, "Oh, Jeebuz! I'm missing all the hot political debate action over at mobclan!"
Luckily I see Hell and Hamm are doing a fine job keeping it real. I'm running into the classic right wing tactic of ask a question/make an accusation - answer question/counter allegation - ignore answer and counter allegation/demand to know truth cycle on the other forum. It's fun.
Why won't McCain release his full service record or his medical records? What's he hiding?!!!?! \
I demand the truth!!!
Anyway, I've been busy on a different forum debating politics when this morning I said to myself, "Oh, Jeebuz! I'm missing all the hot political debate action over at mobclan!"
Luckily I see Hell and Hamm are doing a fine job keeping it real. I'm running into the classic right wing tactic of ask a question/make an accusation - answer question/counter allegation - ignore answer and counter allegation/demand to know truth cycle on the other forum. It's fun.
Why won't McCain release his full service record or his medical records? What's he hiding?!!!?! \
I demand the truth!!!
That's funny, because I've been saying "Jeebuz, where the hell is Chris!" Nice to have you back.
Seems we've all been busy lately. I haven't had as much time as I'd like, but I still manage to poke my nose in the door here to see what's happening. Unlike some other places where it seems like the discussions rapidly get out of hand, I've enjoyed the tone of the conversation that has taken place on this forum.
Joe the Plumber said in Ohio today, “The only thing I’ve been saying is just get out and get informed. I mean, really know what you’re talking about when you’re talking about it. Don’t take everyone’s opinions. I came to my own opinions by research." So, I guess we've now got Joe the Non-Plumber Researcher.
All kidding aside, the pursuit of truth is never a waste. I actually salute efforts to uncover as much information about any of Obama's relationships with whomever you wish to investigate. I'm sick and tired of having folks in government who feel it is proper to out and out lie to the people who put them in office. That said, I'd caution those who seem to be building their concern about Obama into a fever pitch. It gets awfully easy to see the bogeyman behind every bush, but when the light comes on and there is nothing much of substance there, you'll end up feeling pretty foolish.
One such bogeyman who is being hoisted by the Republicans this week is Rashid Khalidi. How easy is it to throw the name Obama, Khalidi and the PLO into one sentence and incite your crowd into a rage? Pretty damn easy. Unfortunately, when you are willing to pull back the curtain, it suddenly becomes all too obvious that your candidate has just accused Obama of an offense not nearly as eggregious as your very own candidate's offense.
As it turns out, for those willing to do their own research, Khalidi is an American born Yale graduate who also was a professor at the University of Chicago. The Washington Post ran an editorial titled "An Idiot Wind," which was a direct quote from Khalidi referencing these last minute attempts by the McCain campaign to slime. Needless to say, they weren't impressed with McCain's latest gambit.
A diary posting on OpEd News cuts right to the point that makes this just one more hollow controversy: "While he served as chairman of the International Republican Institute (IRI) during the 1990s, McCain distributed several grants to the Palestinian research center co-founded by Khalidi, including one worth nearly half a million dollars. A 1998 tax filing for the IRI shows a $448,873 grant to Khalidi's Center for Palestine Research and Studies for work in the West Bank (see grant number 5180, "West Bank: CPRS," on page 14 of this PDF.) The relationship between McCain and Khalidi extends back as far as 1993, when McCain joined the IRI as chairman in January."
Reached for comment by the Washington Post, Khalidi refused to respond, writing in an email, "I will stick to my policy of letting this idiot wind blow over."
The Post ended their editorial with an amazing statement of support, "That's good advice for anyone still listening to the McCain campaign's increasingly reckless ad hominem attacks."
What amazes me is that after all this time, so many people still seem willing to allow leaders out and out lie to them. I just don't get it. We need to concentrate less on the bogeymen and more on simply demanding honesty and transparency from our elected leaders.
Seems we've all been busy lately. I haven't had as much time as I'd like, but I still manage to poke my nose in the door here to see what's happening. Unlike some other places where it seems like the discussions rapidly get out of hand, I've enjoyed the tone of the conversation that has taken place on this forum.
Joe the Plumber said in Ohio today, “The only thing I’ve been saying is just get out and get informed. I mean, really know what you’re talking about when you’re talking about it. Don’t take everyone’s opinions. I came to my own opinions by research." So, I guess we've now got Joe the Non-Plumber Researcher.
All kidding aside, the pursuit of truth is never a waste. I actually salute efforts to uncover as much information about any of Obama's relationships with whomever you wish to investigate. I'm sick and tired of having folks in government who feel it is proper to out and out lie to the people who put them in office. That said, I'd caution those who seem to be building their concern about Obama into a fever pitch. It gets awfully easy to see the bogeyman behind every bush, but when the light comes on and there is nothing much of substance there, you'll end up feeling pretty foolish.
One such bogeyman who is being hoisted by the Republicans this week is Rashid Khalidi. How easy is it to throw the name Obama, Khalidi and the PLO into one sentence and incite your crowd into a rage? Pretty damn easy. Unfortunately, when you are willing to pull back the curtain, it suddenly becomes all too obvious that your candidate has just accused Obama of an offense not nearly as eggregious as your very own candidate's offense.
As it turns out, for those willing to do their own research, Khalidi is an American born Yale graduate who also was a professor at the University of Chicago. The Washington Post ran an editorial titled "An Idiot Wind," which was a direct quote from Khalidi referencing these last minute attempts by the McCain campaign to slime. Needless to say, they weren't impressed with McCain's latest gambit.
A diary posting on OpEd News cuts right to the point that makes this just one more hollow controversy: "While he served as chairman of the International Republican Institute (IRI) during the 1990s, McCain distributed several grants to the Palestinian research center co-founded by Khalidi, including one worth nearly half a million dollars. A 1998 tax filing for the IRI shows a $448,873 grant to Khalidi's Center for Palestine Research and Studies for work in the West Bank (see grant number 5180, "West Bank: CPRS," on page 14 of this PDF.) The relationship between McCain and Khalidi extends back as far as 1993, when McCain joined the IRI as chairman in January."
Reached for comment by the Washington Post, Khalidi refused to respond, writing in an email, "I will stick to my policy of letting this idiot wind blow over."
The Post ended their editorial with an amazing statement of support, "That's good advice for anyone still listening to the McCain campaign's increasingly reckless ad hominem attacks."
What amazes me is that after all this time, so many people still seem willing to allow leaders out and out lie to them. I just don't get it. We need to concentrate less on the bogeymen and more on simply demanding honesty and transparency from our elected leaders.
Frankly I'm very proud of my quote (from the New Yorker, yes) from the 'Wealth of Nations' that essentially says the same thing that Obama said to "Joe the Tax Evader" about how capitalism works. It's about how those who are doing well can give just a little more and how it improves the nationl
Oh, it would have been so much easier for me to just go Libertarian again, but this time I hade to vote for change...
And to keep our country from becoming Fascist.
Just throwing that out there.
Oh, and by the way, anyone see that the Fed is about to go to 0% interest rate? That's really interesting seeing as we shouldn't be paying them anything for our money as it's unconstitutional for them to be making money for our country and the idea that they make our money and then charge an interest rate for it is enough to make me want to **************************
I've done way too much political reading lately.
Oh, it would have been so much easier for me to just go Libertarian again, but this time I hade to vote for change...
And to keep our country from becoming Fascist.
Just throwing that out there.
Oh, and by the way, anyone see that the Fed is about to go to 0% interest rate? That's really interesting seeing as we shouldn't be paying them anything for our money as it's unconstitutional for them to be making money for our country and the idea that they make our money and then charge an interest rate for it is enough to make me want to **************************
I've done way too much political reading lately.
Alas I too have been busy. Although my input isn't exactly as well prepared as you guys I do enjoy being involved. Since I've gone back to school I'm finding it hard to find time to do much else. So what little time I've had I've spent gaming instead of forum trolling. Hope to see some of you guys on cod5.
QUOTE(Genocide Junkie @ 11/02/08 4:02pm)
Hope to see some of you guys on cod5.
Yes, it will be good to leave politics behind for awhile and get back to wanton killing!
Hey, did you guys hear how Hellfighter spoofed Sarah Palin by pretending to be the President of France? Hilarious!
QUOTE(HammaTime @ 11/02/08 4:51pm)
QUOTE(Genocide Junkie @ 11/02/08 4:02pm)
Hope to see some of you guys on cod5.
Yes, it will be good to leave politics behind for awhile and get back to wanton killing!
Hey, did you guys hear how Hellfighter spoofed Sarah Palin by pretending to be the President of France? Hilarious!
Oh mon dieu monsyeeur 'Amma you airrr 'ow youuu seh ' ah cheekeh minkeh ... oow can youuuu zay zis tsing about yourrr beloveeed 'Ellfartairrr. I 'op youuuu arre puroowd of yurrzelf. I 'ave neveairrr beeen zooh insuylted in meh ehhhntiyair life. We shall meet at dawn wiss zee swords mon ami..... Aftair zat I shyall eat a freedhom burgair in honair of youur arrogansse muhsiyerrrr. Vive le Mob!
Haha- good luck in the lineups and voting American chums.
We had our election here a month ago.
Our choices-
Conservatives
Liberals
NDP [socialists]
Green Party
Quebec Nationalists
Marxists
Communists
I kid you not on the last two.... Anyway- please tell your chums, Canada is not communist. Marxists and Communists never amount to much in the voting.
my Libs won- a sort of prelude to the Dem outcome on your side of the Great Lakes perhaps.
Whatever happens, your nation shows itself at the forefront of free and liberal thinking - that Obama is where he is shows your nation does not BS about everyone having an equal opportunity to succeed with hard work. Alot of other nations may express favour for such free thinking and diversity, but looking at their Parliaments and political structures, they in actuality don't show such diversity representative of their citizens - that includes Canada -alot of visible minorities, but you're very unlikely to see them reflected accurately in numbers in the media and politics in spite of our grandstanding about diversity.
So to all of you in the USA,
As the Ozzies would say....
"Good on yah mates!"
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