I started this because it is starting to become annoying for Topics to be taken over by other Topics Want to talk about Spawn killing please do it here. I have learned Spawn killing happens and you must learn to live with it . All players at one time or another get spawn killed the more experience you get the more you learn how to get out of it.In OGL matches you learn to exploit the other fellows area while trying to protect yours its all part of the game.The one time I do have trouble with its when in non match play the teams are uneven like it was mentioned before in the other thread . Remagen is a good map for this .There are 8 axis and 4 allies and the germans are doing a job on the allies in the allies spawn area.Now new players come on and go to the german side this pisses me off.I will ask why they did this some switch most do not.They tell you I always play german or some other crap.

As far as maybe losing future good players because of it the jury is out on that.There are plenty of servers out there for people to choose for a game that suits them.MOB servers are not for the beginner.I like everyone else got my ass handed to me when I first started playing but by going to different servers I learned.They must do the same .Lets let them make up their minds on what they want to do.We must be doing something right because our servers are always full.

I feel we at MOB have done everything possible to make the game more fun for everyone else to play the way they want. So I ask again please leave the other threads to their subject matter if you don't see a title for what you want to say Start ONE

Good points old man. I appeared on the MOB servers when the MOB guys were pretty well just starting out, and recruiting. At that time spawn killing was a unresolved issue.I recall MOB fellows were not all for it at that time, but down the road I believe they decided since it goes on it has to be accepted as part of the game, as several said here.

Now someone mentioned they do it for " Stats " well, the high stats seem to go to the players who spend more time in these servers playing I noticed, as a large contribution to stat score more than anything. Anyway, I have received the mellon popper award without spawn kills on several occasions, but only because of my connection(usually weekends), I will go sniper and not move as much.

I can see now that in OGL, matchs etc it's a different situation (had no idea). I only go to public servers. My intent of posting the negatives in spawn killing was taken as complaining which is understandable since it is a "touchy" topic.

However I (myself) move quick to avoid spawn deads most of the time and also If it is repetitive , I stay dead, watch the messages up top left and when the spawn killer is dead I pop back in. That is unless it's past 30-45 seconds, then I take my chances and re-spawn. Anyway this subject after almost 2 years later of being introduced still flares up arguments from both points of view.

Over and out.

Spawn killing = Good times
But so does getting spawn killed and working your way out of it.

Like LOM said, the only time it becomes a problem is when the teams are severely staggered.

My view on spawn killing:

1. It's fun to do
2. It's crappy if you're the one being killed
3. Feels good if you can figure a way out of the spawn killing zone.

For those who don't like spawn killing, I was on a server a while ago that "boots" players for spawn killing. However, I Didn't like their dictatorial approach so I don't play there anymore.

I have 4 words

JUST DEAL WITH IT.


I pritty new at this game, I like it alot. I hate to be spawn killed but when its done i try to seek revenge against the person doing it. or i live with it

Hate getting spawn killed but part of the game like trying to get out of it when it happens ....thinkfast move faster LOL ...like they say deal with it

I'm amazed people still talk about spawnkilling. It's one of the great buzz words along with camping in most FPS.
I have a very simple answer for anyone who has a problem with spawnkilling.
DON'T PLAY TDM.
If someone doesn't like spawnkilling, they should play round based or objective where it's not an issue.

The whole idea of TDM is for your team to have more kills then your opponents,and as stated before as long as teams are even anything goes. As far as Remagen goes I have always wondered why the spawn zones don't switch?

Druid Posted on Dec 14 2003, 01:26 AM

Old man, shame on you for bringing this bad subject up...

Ok a few last points on this subject then we should shut it down for good and get on with game and enjoy. I am assuming that the spawn killing is tolerated, but not encouraged. After all we have the "Stats" laid out as to what types of kills account for what. I see even " bashing " kills are given awards.

So.. why are there no awards for "Spawn Killing?", after all some here are very proud they do it. Some boast here. But I don't see anyone after the game commenting " Hey I just got 18 spawn kills !!! " (because you may as well be saying " Hey I killed off 18 guys before they could move and have a chance to fight")

Some say you have to have the skills to prevent it. Well I have never heard of the guy appearing as a spawn being killed able to get the guy doing it unless he appears elsewhere on the map later. it is usually another team member getting the spawn killer.

In fact when someone accuses someone of spawn killing (which Websters Dictionary calls " Not letting the opposite player appear in the game ") The person accused gets quite upset and tells the other to be quiet (in nice terms) because he does not want the others to know what he is doing no doubt.

The end product is: No one brags about spawn killing, and there are no stats accounting for that type of kill. It would be interesting to see stats minus spawn kills however.

Anyway lets end this thread there Druid. ps: Websters has no defination.

GOOD GOING TO THE AMERICANS FOR CAPTURING SADDAM TODAY !

Intestinal? to kill someone as they appear in game? good point. I will let them keep appearing, I still prefer a " clean kill " I enjoy it more. Panzer I never looked at you as a spawn killer, in fact I can't recall you spawn killing me, unless on rare occasion. I guess I just move too quick for spawn killers :P . TK? well only the one spawn killed would know who your talking too no one else on game. I see your point however it does account for stats page even though its not marked as a spawn kill.

If you dont want to be spawn killed...I would suggest playing OBJ.
In TDM...I look at the battle as companies of soldiers on either side attacking simutaniously at a target...such as the real battle for Stalingrad in WWll .There are points where the fighting is most fierce and the spawning is just the continuation of more and more soldiers coming to the front lines of a seiged area.
The spawn lockdown is effectively a heavily defended area that you must breakthrough.YOU DO have to be patient and fight your way out of those situations, and I agree it does make you a better player. Sometimes it takes only 1 guy in the proper position to hold down a spawn area until his reinforcements come as well, and then really make it tough on you to get out. It is your "teams"job to knock them off and find a way out....or simply die trying. In battle...you cannot say...."hang on a sec while I run over here and get set up to kill you k" and think it will go over well.
Just my 2 bits on Spawn killing...and hey...I think EVERYONE has done it and would do it if they had the chance to LOL .
I dont like waiting for the other guy to kill me.
~WaR~

I agree with Panzer. When people tell me I spawn killed them, I say thank you.
And BTW Kirby - I spawn kill any chance I get, and I am proud of it.




My name is RealDeal.... and I'm a spawn killer.

In case you didn't know....

Saddam is a GD camper.

REAL, those last 2 posts were priceless.

Nice pics Real.... Here is one for all spawn killers, there is your Santa just for you's.

Meow Meow Meow... Merry Xmas

hehe

I'm against spawn killing epacy, where is my 2 faced approach? Are you related to the old Pvt.Ryan? He was a first class idiot with a big yap too, and the same age. Maybe you should read everything before only quoting one part of a comment and trying to turn it around.

You don't post much but when you do you show your ignorance well.

I've learned three things playing this game:

1. Spawn Killing = Strategy
2. Camping = Ambush
3. Cheating = Playing Good

If your the one getting your ass beat like a red headed step-child then the other team must be no good camping, spawn killing cheaters.
But if you are kicking ass then obviously I was using good strategy in order to set an effective ambush.

One mans spawn kill is another mans good strategy.

Spawn Killing? For or Against?

Spawn Killing is a part of the game. From what I understand, even the game designers liked it enough to make it an active part of the game. So I have learned to live with and work around Spawn Killing. In a game you are going to get Spawn Killed several times on a map. You learn to live with it.

Do I like it? Hell NO.

Do I do it? If the opportunity presents itself I will shoot your ass dead, but I don't try to actively spawn kill. I prefer to set up ambushes where the opponent is in the open and leaves his cover to make a kill.

When I get Spawn Killed by someone, I make a mental note of who did the Spawn killing an I go out of my way to track down the player and kill him. If that means jumping off building to get to his position, fighting through players, changing my play to berzerk status, I will not stop until I have been able to payback the spawn kill by at least x3.

There is no right or wrong answer to spawn killing. It's part of the game and everybody has pro and negative views about it.

But remember, it's still a game. Enjoy the playing of it.

I'll be watching.....

Oh, yes. Dont take me to seriously.

See you in the game.

I agree that spawn killing is part of the game. I believe that it is a team effort to make sure the opposite side does not have the chance to set up around your spawn point. If they do, make sure work as a team and end it. That is the whole point of tdm. WORKING AS A TEAM. The good players will not just sit there and spawn kill till they are content. Everyone spawn kills if the opportunity arises, so dont say that u havent done it. This game is based on strategy for the most part, so if that is your strategy, just make sure not to piss off too many ppl. Lt. Stone and LOM have the best strategy of em all. Setting up the good ol' ambush. Now, there is nothing you can do about spawn killing because it is always gonna happen. Just move like a soldier and duck and run till you outta the area and quiet all your bitching and like Lt. Stone said, go kill them!

good points old man. spawn killing has become quite a craft for some. i agree that protecting your rear and advancing an attack on the opposing teams spawn areas optimizes the devastating spawn killing effect. i am guilty of spawn killing, however i use your analogy to justify my actions. its not easy getting into position against you mob guys. when i finally get there, its nice to get a few cursory kills. respect.

Kirby, are you saying you didn't complain about spawn killing in the other thread?
Please say you didn't!

I pointed out the disadvantages of spawn killing Epacy in another thread (if you read my original first post), but this referred to the public MOB servers, not in matches or what they call OGL? I only go to the public servers, so I have no idea what goes on in actual competitions or how they play and I said several times if it is done there go for it of course. I stated I don't intentionally spawn kill in the public servers. The only complaint by me was my post was cut up, quoted and then re-interpret to make it sound like a complaint. So I repeated and argued in vain that is was not. Waste of time for the most part..

Why would I complain after over a year and 1/2 of gameplay on the same server? I pointed out the negatives with regarding other new players popping into the public servers, killed off then leaving. I did not post anything regarding " quit spawn killing me " because It rarely happens to me, I developed ways to avoid it for the most part. But I am guilty once in while of calling someone a spawn killer, and I usually go after the person after they get me.

Since the MOB guys have to practice all techniques on the public servers to prepare themselves for competitions which includes spawning, I can understand why they spawn kill now. I admit I never considered that when first posting the subject. So I can see why some of the players retracted with negative comments to my post. Like I said I only use this game for the fun of it, so I go by my own rules, but some here have no choice, and use the public servers to move around and practice for competitions. Anyway my error for posting anything on the subject to begin with.

Didn't know you were in the Military there Epacy, good job all you fellows did over there. Now that we have a new Prime Minister " Paul Martin " I think relations will go very well between the USA and Canada now that the other is gone.

EP I think you were earlier referring to my post to "Old Man" saying, "Shame on you old man for bringing this subject up "
I have talked to old man on occasions outside of game in the past, and he knows I was kidding him with my Kanuk humor, ( hense the winking icon at end of my comment ). Most know I brought the subject up in the wrong thread, and thats why Old, made this one.
Don't forget the Canadian born like, John Candy, Jim Carey etc have strange sense of humor.

(off topic by the way)

http://www.canadiancelebs.com/act.html

oh yeah that too...

By the way Real, remember when you were on top of the awning in Algiers waiting for enemy to come around corner? I was behind you sniping all your team running from below. You were up there for a bit. I took my time aiming at you helmut. I have to keep up those " melon popper " award shots.

Stats!!!



Kirby

Spawn killing is essentially the same thing as camping, the difference being the probability of success.

I prefer not to spawn kill only because it's boring but if somebody wants to take up a slot on my server and cower behind a door for the duration of a map I will not only spawn camp them but I will tell my team where they are both spawning and camping to effectively remove the element of surprise.

On the flip-side, if somebody insists on spawn-camping me, I will setup just outside the spawn area and pick them off everytime they approach.

These maps are cyclical and finite, using a bit of common sense and deductive reasoning will allow you to kill anybody.

Cypher

Very well put Cy. That is what i was trying to say but the way you put it makes a lot more sense.

Personally...I was never a big spawn killer, not because I have a problem with it, but I was just never any good at it.

The few times that I do acually try and get some spawn killing going, it is usually with a rifle so it never lasts long.....one missed shot and your done.

Damn spawnkilling pussies.

bunch of fing sensitive grandmothers, cant we end this foolery?

Let me say one thing about this so called "touchy" subject.
I look at it this way = Why is it so wrong to.........I call it rewarding yourself, to pop off a few spawn kills when you get to a position to do so. Is it your fault for being where "you" (being the so called "spawn killer") end up in a map.......... Is It? I think not.
I believe the object here is to maybe defend the spawn points if you know you are playing against rewarding players.
My 2cents.

When the teams are somewhat even and you can work your way into someones spawn and reward yourself with a few kills is one of the funnest things you can do IMO. I have gotten a little frustrated when peeps are sniping you on spawn from across the map but MOB has taken measures in several of the maps to prevent this from happening (example Remegen). Keep in mind that you are playing on MOBS dime and therefore by their rules. In other words, if you don't like the game here, then go home, just leave the ball here as the server belongs to MOB. To be honest, I am quite suprised that so many of you have not moved on as you are playing the same 5 maps year after year in a game that little can be done about cheating and the publisher (EA) has offered little to no support or offered the propper tools for the community itself to support the product ,ie SDK. Since playing CoD, I haven't picked up MoH and frankly haven't really missed it too much. I figure CoD will tide me off untill some of the highly anticipated fps of q1 next year come out.

2 cents

-=|DMA|=- AOBTC

My two cents... I love spawn killing. To me this is one of the main reasons this game is so addictive. When you are spawn killing and all the names you kill are popping up on the left side of the screen it just gives me some sort of high. The best way to finish off a good ole spawn session is a few spawn grenades. Ive read various comments of like and dislikes, but the game was made this way to make it so addictive and to keep you coming back for more. MOB servers are set up for spawn killing in a sense. Druids realism mod is set up for ultra realism. It doesnt take many bullets to drop somebody. So this takes spawn killing to a new level. When I first started playing this game I didnt even know what spawn killing was. A few times playing on the MOB servers with Oppresion, Real, Epacy,Clan, Jewkilla, and Maxiumum-V I really found what it was. If I spawn kill you and you dislike it, dont take it personal im just having fun. My wife hates this game and that all that counts!

Zillah

Spawn killing sucks. Its mean and cruel. All it does is hurt the feelings of those getting spawn killed. It makes me cry and not sleep well at night. Its even worse when it happens during a match. Shit....I just got spawn killed.....need kleenex....wha, wha, wha........

Funny RealDeal......lol. ROTFLMAO. Hey R.D. , maybe you should go to S.K.A. meetings, (Spawn Killers Anonymous).........LOL.

LOL, if you give me the chance I will spawn kill tha fuck out of you. It's all part of the game. Like it's been said before, if you don't l;ike it play OBJ.