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Druid
People having been talking about MOHAA dying for over a year, for once I think their right. With ASE I've watched the number of servers and people playing dwindle over the last several months. When Pacific Assault comes out, no doubt there will be another large group of people leaving MOHAA. Although I'm sure some of the people who initially leave to play PA will end up coming back. There is just something about MOHAA, which appeals to people that other games have failed to recreate. I know for me part of what I liked so much in MOHAA is the player movements just felt right. The player physics will completely change with PA as it will be using a new game engine. To try and keep mohaa around for the people who want to continue playing, we are going to make a few changes.



Missionary & Cheating

Cheating has been without a doubt one of the biggest reasons why many people have quit playing MOHAA. Now with Missionary we have a working anti-cheat. The only problem is it still lacks the enough players who support it. Sometimes we can successfully switch Goodfellas to Missionary Only, other times it kills the server. So, for those of you who want to play in a missionary only server, we will be running one starting late next week. Once the CTF tournament is finished, we will be switching that server over to a 24/7 missionary only server. Now everyone on Goodfellas will have the choice between playing in a missionary optional server or playing in the missionary only server. For MAC players, once the server is up, you can email me to receive the required password.

The missionary only server will be setup to allow only people to join if they are using missionary or if in the case of MAC players have the password. Goodfellas will remain the same and be used as a way to advertise the new missionary only server.


MOB Regs Clan
Regs clan, what's that?

With the end goal of keeping Mohaa around for those who will continue to enjoy it. We have decided the best way to accomplish that goal is to try and organize the people who have made the MOB servers their home from anywhere from the last few months to the last year.

MOB as a group has discussed this and came up with a list of initial members. We will be contacting each person privately to see if they are interested and to ask for recommendations on how insure this will be fun for those involved.

To get an idea, here is a short list perks.
1) Inter-Clan scrimmages. I know several of you have enjoyed when we have
had scrimmages in the past. This will simply make it easier to set them up.
2) Organized scrimmages with players from other servers. I'm going to try
and setup a schedule of scrimmages with regulars from a few other servers.
3) Password access to Goodfellas, I will be switching a few slots from
public to private.
4) Private forum access as there will be some issues best dealt with privately.
5) Input on future members
6) The Regs clan may also be used as a trial period before MOB membership.

Once the initial members have been contacted and we see who wants to participate, the 1st order of business will be for you guys to decide on a tag. We'll help with a few suggestions or it may be something completely different that one of you suggest but the final say will come down to you.

A misconception I think many people have is clans only exist for ladder competition. If you look down the list of MOHAA servers, you'll see most of the more popular server are ran by clans strictly for people to have play and have fun. ( *RS*, MGX, Loki's, Mech, JFH ) This is what the regs clan will be about.


There are lots of little details to work out, many of which we can't start with until we know if this idea will be supported and by how many people.
During these 1st few days while we work to make this idea a reality. We would appreciate any feedback you would like to offer.
What would you think would be the pros and cons?
Is this even do-able and if so, so you think it would be worth it?


As always thanks for your support and we'll see if we can keep MOHAA going
for another year.
ReckaNize
I agree with you 100% Druid! PA will have its 15 mins of fame but most off the peeps will come back to MOHAA! The Regs Clan is an exallent ideal i think over half of the regs want in MOB and it will be a good way the show thier loyalty to the MOB clan and liek you said it is a good way the try peeps b4 MOB wink.gif membership.
Silver
gj druid and mob...great ideas!
Bargod
WOW!!! This is very forward thinking and I am impressed. In general I like what I am hearing, but I have one suggestion. Now, I realize I am still fairly new to the MOB site family, but I think Goodfellas should go all Miss. I say give fair warning to a new non-miss site, but I think the majority of Goodfellas regulars (term used loosely) would prefer a Miss only site. I think there is probably enough people who would still frequent the site if you went Miss only. I think many, my self included, will often see there aren't any MOB members on and just pass up getting on, because we know Goodfellas is not tolerant of cheating, but if there is no MOB then cheating can become rampent.
I guess what I'm trying to say is this... MOHAA players from many clans (missionary players mostly) love to play on Goodfellas. The big turn-off is when nobody is there to kick hackers. Please let Goodfellas be the Missionary only site. I think it will thrive! If you want to bring a new server online to spread the name of MOB, let it be the non-Miss site.
Thanks for the countless hours of enjoyment!
futureman
goodfellas is and established server that people remember to come to.
goodfellas will be the server to bring all MOHAA players into the MOB servers as it has been for a long time.
once in, players may feel the need to get a copy of missionary and head on over to the missionary only server that MOB provides.

after time, the missionary only server may be the place to see who is who, but for now, goodfellas is still the place to be.
BULLET
I like the idea Druid. It will make people feel that they belong and a good way to get to know people better.I myself dont gab much in the forums and for me if I was asked to be a part of this would love it.The organized competition would really be alot of fun! I play on Goodfellas religiously and feel like nobody.Im sure alot of guys feel that way too.Or maybe I feel that way cause Im not too good.Oh well enough rambling.I think its great. Thanks for your concern.
Silver
when i play i look for the guys that i know, that way i know iam among friends, and bullet i look forward to playing against you
xl-FLAME-lx
QUOTE (BULLET @ Jun 19 2004, 10:20 AM)
.Or maybe I feel that way cause Im not too good.

HAH bullet u pwn me know like a homie. And Druid THIS IDEA ROCKS!!! Thanks again, FLAME
JP
I agree with you druid, but some of the more trusted members that become mob regs, should be givin admin rights so they can help police the server when there are no mob members around. Again just a suggestion.
Druid
QUOTE (Bargod @ Jun 19 2004, 03:14 AM)
I guess what I'm trying to say is this... MOHAA players from many clans (missionary players mostly) love to play on Goodfellas.  The big turn-off is when nobody is there to kick hackers.  Please let Goodfellas be the Missionary only site.  I think it will thrive!  If you want to bring a new server online to spread the name of MOB, let it be the non-Miss site.
Thanks for the countless hours of enjoyment!

Goodfellas will stay as is, it will be there to attrack new players who we hope will try missionary and then sooner or later move to the new Missionary only server.


QUOTE (Bullet @ Jun 19 2004, 03:14 AM)

It will make people feel that they belong and a good way to get to know people better.I myself dont gab much in the forums and for me if I was asked to be a part of this would love it.

It will make people feel that they belong.
That's exactly what we are aiming for. The players on MOB once had a strong sense of community. This is something we slowly lost over time. Now with the recent changing inside of MOB, it's something we would like to get back to.

QUOTE (JP @ Jun 19 2004, 03:14 AM)

I agree with you druid, but some of the more trusted members that become mob regs, should be givin admin rights so they can help police the server when there are no mob members around.

This is an idea we will consider. I know how frustrating it is for the players when no MOB are around to kick the cheaters and trouble makers. The only problem is admin rights are far to easily misused or abused, that sounds bad but it's the truth. The misuse I'm speaking of isn't even malicious in nature, it's just people are far to often to think someone is cheating when they are not or have the attitude kick and ask questions later. When we give someone admin access we are putting them in a very tough spot. It comes down to them having to use or judgement on how to hadle a player in place of their own. Think of it like giving your car keys to someone and expecting them to drive the exact same way you do.
If this happens, will need to put some solid guidelins in place and figure out who would best fill the role.
Phat Boy
yes yes, this is some serious shit. i am so confused. but i trust that druid will get this goin and hopefully PA isnt going to be the greatest game n that people stick with MOHAA. but isnt the RS clan one of those servers with the mods, where u can jump like 100 Ft. in the air n be invisable n shit? i dont get....

-phats
Silver
i have to say that this is a great idea this is goning to be great, one thing though...with all the hard work that goes in to all this will MOB change according to the times? like will mob be putting in a pacific assult thingy? and if and when that dies will mob as a whole move on? i prob will play mohaa as long as humanly possible (till noone else plays...but as a whole/clan/regs/members we can slowly change together. am i out of line? i love mohaa but i feel i sort of belong to this social club that plays together and as times change mob needs to stay alive. through mohaa and what ever happens next. it would suck to see MOB end at this game. along with the other great clans... crying.gif i encourage others thoughts into this and i think druid will cry when he see's this knowing if it happens a year or two down the line if he (computer master) had to work with another game...


ok to all who didnt understand...keeping that social aspect alive even after mohaa is what im making referance to here...
Boog
Great idea guys! Boy I would have never thought of that! The regs should be pretty good too, MOB is one of the hardest servers to play on. Great thinking boys, talk to ya later.
Sabo
realdeal
QUOTE (D. Silver @ Jun 19 2004, 07:32 PM)
one thing though...with all the hard work that goes in to all this will MOB change according to the times? like will mob be putting in a pacific assult thingy? and if and when that dies will mob as a whole move on?


MOB will support MOHAA as long as there are players still playing it.

I am sure when PA comes out we will also be running a PA server in addition to the MOHAA servers.
soup nazi
QUOTE (<_-JP-_> @ Jun 19 2004, 05:00 PM)
I agree with you druid, but some of the more trusted members that become mob regs, should be givin admin rights so they can help police the server when there are no mob members around. Again just a suggestion.

i personaly think this idea is not a good idea.
Blakjak
I personally think it is a good idea as long as whoever has the power does not abuse it, knows the rules, and most importantly can identify a hack. I think I could do it well enough but sometimes it's hard to tell and I guess in those cases it would be best to let it go and report to a mob member later. As for the regs clan I think it's another great idea but I unfortuantely will not join due to my schedule irregularity.
Druid
Blakjak I know all about sceduling irregularities, I myself am lacking time to do half of what I want or play as often as I would like.
If things settle down for you, remember the invitation will remain open.
You've been a big supportor of Missionary and a great regualr player on our server. As we move forward with this, the public slots on goodfellas will slowly shrink, your more than welcome to continue using the utulity I setup to message the server so we can free up a spot for you.
Nicky Santoro(The Wise Guys)
these ideas sound great, though I'd like to say that the administrative privelleges idea may be a problem. Though the private slots and regs clan sounds wicked kick ass. I personally would love to be in that regz clan... I'm just announcing the offer is up if you're interested in having me in......

Are there some requirements for being in the regz clan?

Sincerely and Respectfully,

Nicky Santoro(The Wise Guys)
xl-FLAME-lx
yes you have to dip ur tool in water then roll it around a bit in sand THEN SHOVE IT UP DIESELS TIGHT ASS!
Silver
OMFG! i almost fell off the chair....
Nicky Santoro(The Wise Guys)
consider it done.....
Silver
i think the more people policing the server is good but they have to show restraint...i dont like the idea of permently booting someone unless they are total jerks or cought cheating...then if they run missionary should they be allowed to play but its not my right to say just my 2 cents...well mabe 1 and a half cents...
Blakjak
Im not joing the regs clan but can Ill gladly show diesel what he's been missing bj.gif
Silver
i have been thinking seeing this as its my day off i dont have much time...mob regs is a wonderful idea...it will help retain members that show support, it will show support for mob and help with the servers. the pro-side beyond what has been said is that it will increase moral and improve the friendly community that we all share. the down side is that the regs now must control their attitudes when dealing with people that are looking to vent fustration or cause some. i understand that the idea is to have people to play with and against. and remembering that wearing a tag is making you a representive of that clan. so behavior must be kept. being diplomatic is key... thats the down fall... really thats not alot ... admin right? i dont think that regs should be able to ban a player mabe temp kick someone if somehting was important mabe kick then recommend banning. if a guys cheating and there is no mob guys on if you can kick then report it to mob... but then if you kick someone there should be alot of evidence to back that action up... not just cuz he was an ass or not or cuz someone said he was cheating... it should be beyond doubt. and then if they do give admin right it should be to people who they know will not abuse it... mabe make it a 2 person action not one so there would be someone to back that person up...well plz tell me if im on the right track if not ill go back to my hole
Nicky Santoro(The Wise Guys)
so we're going to have scrims, and matches and stuff? GREAT! I'm looking forward to growing with you guys.... do we need ventrillo?

Sincerely and Respectfully,

Nicky Santoro
xl-FLAME-lx
it would be really great if u could get vent nicky...personnaly it helps us alot in matches and scrims and shit because we dont have to take time to type where someone is
Shifty
aw whaddaya mean flame?

Whats wrong with typing

"There's a guy on the top floor of the house on the righthand side by the boxes above the spawn area hiding behind the corner with a machinegun so watch out!"

tongue.gif


Regarding the extent of admin powers, so far as I know there's no way to disable the ban option, so the admin would have the power to kick AND ban.
My idea would be if u suspect a hacker then go spectate for as long as it takes TO MAKE SURE. No banning if you're not sure!
If its 1 of those losers that has the hack where it tells you about it then go ahead and ban right away.

Also, I don't like to see people kicked just because they're not using missionary. If u suspect them of cheating and they're not using it then yeah, tell them they're being kicked for not running missionary. That gives them a chance to get missionary and return.

We want to keep this server an enjoyable place to play for all cool.gif
soup nazi
at this point i see the non missionary users as iraqies, they have had plenty of warnings,post have been made, and the consol has stated many of times to get missionary. So i say, kick the non missionary users, if not having missionary is seen has you being a hack, then why keep that person on the server. Yes i understand it will mean alot of work for a mob member to keep up with this, but to keep the respect, honor, pride, teamwork and friendship of this server, it means doing so.
Silver
soup ur to funny...if the guy is suspected of cheating and he wont go get miss i say punt him like a foot ball...when he logs on again punt him third tim ban him for a day...
Soul Assassins
Excellent Ideas guys, thanks for providing us with a great place to play!
Blakjak
soup the more ppl u kick and/or ban the less likely more ppl will make return visits to the server and keeping the server busy is the main obj of goodfellas, not just providing for the missionary users
Soul Assassins
I think giving Admin privelages would be a good idea, I wouldnt say they could be able to perma ban but do a ban good enough to keep the assholes out.
Da_Rat
Well for me i love seeing some of the old names that i used to play with having the {MOB} [R] . Im sure they all like it as well. This should help keep players coming around. For a while i only saw shifty and diesel which was cool but even better with more{MOB} tags.

See ya in action
***crafty***
cool
JP
sup craft you recruting, your cool man.
Silver
Another piece of the puzzle of life.... Im glad to see other clans think it was a good idea also... was wondering on their thoughts....
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