This is continued from elsewhere as a member of the clan requested.
I'm sure whoever needs to will find their way here
Vert I've no clue what bug has been up your ass forever concerning MOB but I'm guessing it goes all the way beck to the days of PKU. Get over it already.

Now to continue on with the discussion.
This all started with the missionary stuff so lets take a closer look.
Ashe's accusation was that RD left the server and restarted CI which then kicked DMG for not using missionary, which according to them was never brought up, even though it was on numerous occasions.
1st everyone has been playing mohaa long enough to know it's a common issue getting disconnected after DV. So much for the accusation RealDeal left the server to switch CI.
2nd CI for over a year has broadcast a message to the server when it's shut down. So much for the accusation RealDeal restarted CI with the purpose of kicking DMG.
If that was the case you would of seen a message from CI about the restart which you didn't now did you?
Next comes the bitch fest about how wrong MOB was to ask the DMG players to use missionary.
I take the time to extend a virtual olive branch on your forum to solve any misunderstandings just to have Vert through it in my face as a waste of time. Very classy.
This is just a short look at what took us to here.

Jump ahead a few months to a post on another clans forum which people I'm sure was going to take as coming from MOB which it wasn't seeing as how I was the only person who knew what it concerned. The only reason I even knew about it was through a DMG player. Who only told me about it because he was mad about getting bitched at because he played on our server and it was somehow against DMG rules. Wow I wonder where that came from. Someone gets bitched at because he played on our server, and you have the nerve to call other people Nazi's???

Next comes an exchange about stupid stuff other people did that pissed Ashe off.
All I did was reply in kind.

Part of which concerned a join effort by some DMG who tried to sweet talk GPF into dropping the MOB tag from his server and using DMG in it's place.
I'm sure their was a couple of reason for this but a large part of it was because they saw it as the ultimate bash on MOB. How incredibly childish for several reasons.
If you want DMG on the server you need to switch the tag, as we don't play on MOB servers Which by the way is their own decision based on stupid reasons they can't even justify.
Part of whats funny about this is we wouldn't of cared either way. A year and a half ago I even suggested that he dropped the MOB name from his server do to issues with some people helping admin his server and the fact he really no longer needed the name as he had already built a popular server on his own. GPF as the stand up guy that he is, took care of the problems in a quick and diplomatic way as possible and has used the tag ever since.
GPF contacts DMG as the nice guy that is to ask DMG to stop by the server.
He's then told some B.S. story about MOB while DMG members try to sweet talk him into changing the name of his server.
Whats really sad about this is, as he mentioned it didn't have anything to do with him or his server so there was really no reason it should stop DMG from playing there. When the attempt to get him to change the server name goes down the drain, GPF who has done nothing wrong to anyone suddenly becomes the asshole because he asked this SIMPLE question. "Why did DMG have a problem using missionary when playing on the MOB server?"
Again very classy.
For me the the funnest part is this.
I think almost everybody agrees it's pretty gay for a clan to recruit people off of another clans server. What he have here is people in DMG taking it to a new high level of gayness by trying not to recruit a player but the WHOLE SERVER. LOL
Vert goes on to say Ashe had nothing to do with it only he, gwg and stupad where involved. Directly this may of been the case but Ashe knew exactly what was going on and gave it his seal of approval.
While on the subject of server #4, where did DMG happen to meet their last few recruits. On the same server they will no longer play on for their own childish reasons.
Good call.

Also along with the whole missionary B.S. came this little tidbit.
Look at all we have done for MOB and they treat us this way by requesting us to use missionary, how dare they after all we have done for them.
All I can say is WOW, make that double WOW.
I didn't realize people felt the need to keep track of stuff like that as a way to justify themselves as far as they have been somehow wronged in their own mind. If thats the case, I would be more than happy to compare scorecards.

Finally comes accusation of reading PM's from the board we operate.
Although RealDeal has gotten the brunt of this, here is how it actually came about and why. Prior to the MOB split, we allowed someone from another clan permission to recruit from our server with the understanding they would contact us 1st in case we might be looking at the same player. Right after the MOB split, we asked them to stop as we where needing to rebuild or own ranks. Unfortunately they didn't, in fact it was turned up a notch. It finally got to the point of telling them they would be banned from the server if it happened again. A few days later a player contacted me to ask if he had any chance of getting into MOB because another clan wanted to recruit him but MOB would be his 1st choice.
It turns out after talking to him that he was contacted via the forum about recruitment. I, in case you missed that I asked RD to go through the database to see how much of this was going on. To our surprise more than it should of been.
The funniest one by the way said something like this.
"We can't talk to people on the server about recruitment so I sent you this message to see if you would be interested"
I thought it was pretty funny anyway.
There was a few other things going to that shouldn't of been and we privately contacted the people and asked them to stop.
I don't see what the big deal is about contacting someone for doing something in the forum that shouldn't be doing and we wouldn't let them do in the server.
A few people have gotten mad and made the accusation that we go through every private message, BTW this nicely bypasses the whole point about them doing something they shouldn't of been doing in the 1st place.
The reason they make this accusation is because they are illiterate to how a database is setup.
Private messages are indexed across multiple tables.
You can't simple read a message, title , who sent it , who received it, message text is all indexed in separate tables. Not to mention the fact messages are not even in chronological order. It's simply this, a search is done with a few keywords ( join, recruit, cheat ).
Oh yea, cheat is in their too. 3 People have been banned do to them talking about cheating on our server. Wow aren't we a bunch of Nazis. LMAO

I asked if you had proof if Brian had anything to do with the whole us seeing if GPF wanted to go somewhere else. Because he didn't. Not anything whatever you just posted. It's not like you own the server, or have any affiliation with him. So why don't you drop it. I don't care if the mohaa community knows what we did. Why don't you go ask mohtruth to write a story about it.

So out of those 3 people that were speaking of cheats, what did that have to do with anything? were you implying that it was ={DMG}= Members? If it were, I'd like to ask who they were so that we can kick them out of the clan.

The first time I called Real a nazi was when Brian asked for me to be banned from your site. I APPOLOGIZED, and then called Brian the nazi. I didn't even start that shit with SolidRocker, he said he wanted to kill me, so I told him off. Big fucking deal. The second time I thought that we were getting along so I thought I'd call Real a fucker for old times sake, he banned me. I've seen other people call him worse, I've even called him worse to his face. So I called him a nazi for banning me. Actually I think I reffered to him as the gestapo. He took me off the ban list, and I just said that I wouldn't come here anymore. I was fine with that.

I love mob, I just hate some of your members. Shifty is the shit, as is Druid even though you're being a cunt right now. It's just a fucking game. Chill out. Most of the shit I say I say it because I know everyone will blow it way out of proportion and turn into something like this.

As for your olive branch there were only 3 or 4 members of our clan that played in your server, and they knew they had to use missionary. We didn't even say shit about any missionary for months. We thought it was resolved with the 12 page post in our forums, entitled "Missionary". We came to a conclusion. it was dealt with. I was sick of it, I lashed out.



I've never played with you. When I would go into your server with other mob members, I'd ask if I had to use miss, if they said yes I'd leave and put it on, if not then I would play as is. I've tried everything to make missionary run faster, I've tried everything Blackbart has said would fix the problem. I still get a 20-30 higher ping. I don't have the best computer in the world, I can't just go out and buy an extra stick of ram or a new mobo and processor.

and in conclusion, I don't have a stick up my ass. I just don't feel like reading an 8 page summary of why you think we give a shit about something that's in the past and done with.

Druid, you made me waste a good hour and a half seaching dmg forums looking for the other part of this. that aint right!!! post a link so we can see the whole thing and who would have knowen it was on tld's site....gee i have no life.
sorry for the intruption back to the arguement.....

To Silver: Doesn't matter where it started, they asked for it to be moved here, so it was.

To Vert:
Just for shits and giggles lets see if you remember from whom and where this came from.


As for the rest of your post.
I never said we owned GPF's server so I'm not sure why you even bothered to say that.

For the rest of it. What can I say, I asked for a screenshot and get a text summary. See if any of this seems familiar.

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={DMG}=YOU_SO_STUPAD --- He asked us if there were any solutions that could be worked out so we could play there again and I think the only way this could be done would be to break off from MOB. THis would be cool since we pay nothing for the server, he does it just cuz he likes to play! It would also be good since there are already tons of regulars on that server so it would boost our forums and webpage tremedously! think about it, free server 64 people, west coast for us CALI DMG, and free advertizing for DMGclan.com!
HAHA, first we take their players now we take their server! DONT FUCK WITH DMG
={DMG}=Vertigo --- I think it'd be cool. Just to shove it in their faces. DMG #4 it would look so good. It always attracts players, I love the server because I poon noobs on it Gretzky style.
={DMG}=ashe --- Get this done
={DMG}=FaRmErBrOwN --- Hey Girl, Ashe has asked me this morning to tell you to go ahead.
={DMG}=Vertigo --- No I think you're lying. Everyone wants to be DMG.
I didn't want him anyway. He's cancer in the making. His server would be nice though.
={DMG}=YOU_SO_STUPAD --- I emailed gpf and asked him to call me and josh sometime after 8 or something. This is when we will have to try and work him lol! We still have to discuss our plan of attack nah more like final convincing. Hes a like a man that wants to be convinved but still is like i dont know , but then hes like convince me. Ill let you know how it goes.
={DMG}=Girlsw/Guns --- heres whats going on. here is the reply I got from gpf regaurding the server Thank you very kindly for your detailed message, I appreciate it. My first reaction is: you punish yourselves by not coming over to #4 because of what some clan member (RD) says? Who cares what he says? Sticks and stones may break my bones...
That just seems a little unusual to me. It seems like biting your
nose to spite your face,
if you're familiar with that aphorism.

I guess he needs to think about it some more. I dont know he may be too much of a pansy to break away from MOB.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Then finally he becomes and asshole because he asked a simple question about why you guys made such a big deal about a request to use missionary.

Yep your right , Ashe had nothing to do with it, he only told you to get it done.

Before you even bother to say this doesn't prove anything. I could of made all this up myself. Very true I guess, but whats important is now YOU know that I know.
I don't really care what anyone else might think about this.

BTW back to the claim of how you always liked MOB.
I'm curious to know why getting GPF's server and as you said "Shoving it in their faces" was such a point seeing as how you always liked us??? LMAO

Also explain to me again why you guys are now boycotting a server you use to play in (#4) and even said you liked. I'll tell you, for no good reason other than childish ones.

Lastly... don't whine about me posting this as your the one who asked me to,

Ouch. That's gonna leave a mark.

Druid, are you serious? Do you really have that much time nowadays? Its a game, if we dont want to play on your server, so be it, let it go. If I want to run my clan one way and you want to run yours another, so be it, let it go. You have more time and energy to devote to a nonsense issue then anyone I have ever seen. The missionary issue was 6 months ago, would you please let it go.

This all started over a TLD member asking me how I felt about Mob. I replied. Thats it. If you dont like me, I really dont care, I will never meet you in the real world anyways, so honest to God I dont care.

We dont play on your servers due to me telling my members not to, that is true. In my opinion either make it mandatory for all people to use Missionary or none, but dont single out certain clan tags. Did you think we hacked so you needed to single us out? It was one of your ex members, Diesel, that told me that we were accused of hacking by some of the regs so in his own words "Realdeal took it upon himself to make it mandatory for DMG to use Missionary". But once again, I dont play there so I dont care.

I never asked GPG anything about the server, once again, I really didnt care. I said and YOU quote "Get this done". That is it. Who wouldnt take a 64 man west coast server for free if offered? Especially when half of my clan is in California. As you can tell by the number of posts I put in about the issue I was really concerned and spent countless hours and emails to GPF to get the server. My email was "I saw you messaged me on my site. How may I help you". Thats it.

People always tend to fall back to either "it's just a game" or "just let it drop" because it's easier than having to say "maybe I was wrong."
Since the whole missionary issue, I hadn't given it or DMG much thought either way.
Which obviously is unlike you considering.
"Whats priceless"
"The whole MOB is mean people so we won't play on their servers and if people do they get bitched at. Do you care what other servers people play on. Nope just MOB's"
"There had to be some discussion concerning MOB going on after the missionary incident, otherwise why would DMG people who where recruited afterwards and never had any contact with MOB be able to relay the bogus reasons given to GPF about why DMG was no longer playing on server #4"

Again the only reason I even bothered to say anything was because the likely conclusion was the post on TLD's forum was from MOB which it wasn't.
You posted your thoughts on MOB and all I did was reply.

It amazes me you keep having to fall back to "this is what diesel said" like a drowning man clutching a life preserver.
I understand you felt like you where wronged somehow so you fall back on whatever you can to justify yourself.
I told you that wasn't the case, RD even posted a copy of what was said on your forum. No one ever said anything about cheating, yet it keeps getting brought up.
The other accusations were.
1) RD let the server to reboot CI to kick you from the server, which has already been dealt with. He didn't leave the server he was disconnected as people commonly are after DV nor was CI rebooted seeing as how there was no message broadcast by CI saying it was shutting down
2) No one ever said anything to us about using missionary. Again complete B.S. as I myself asked you and other DMG players on several occassions.


As for your suggestion of who wouldn't take a 64 man west coast server for free if offered?
It's a very cute way to get around what was actually going on. It's very clear from the post, GPF contacted DMG to invite people by the server or to see why no one was on anymore. What he got was a B.S. story in an attempt to switch the server tags. A large part of the reason was DMG thought it would be some big bash to MOB. Do me a favor and tell me again who can't let things drop? From your forum it would appear to be you guys seeing as how this was 3 months later.
So please don't tell me I'm the one who can't let it go.

BTW your oh so innocent email to GPF saying ""I saw you messaged me on my site. How may I help you".
Would this be before or after the attempt to get him to switch tags failed and he suddenly became and asshole for asking this simple question
"So is DMG pissed because MOB insists on Missionary for Goodfellows?
And DMG is therefore boycotting MOB servers because of this Missionary
requirement?"
I would have to say from looking at the post it would be afterwards.
Not quite so innocent when it's put into context of when it happened.

Why don't you take your own advice and just let it go.

I will point out why you should check your facts before you post.



The problem with your first point is that Real openly admitted to shutting down CI and restarting it. He said that DMG was spelled wrong, so when he saw me come in he found the error and restarted CI with the right spelling.

What is wrong with number two is you dont see the point. As I stated over and over and over again, just to try to get it through your thick head, is that I was not upset by having to use Missionary, I was upset by the way I was kicked for not having it after playing on your servers countless times, without it. You might have said "Would you mind using Missionary", I dont remember ever hearing that, but the way Real, without warning, changed the spelling and restarted CI so that I was kicked. He openly admitted this to me. If he would of said, "Hey would you mind using missionary it is now mandatory for all clan members.' I would of said no problem. I dont expect you to comprehend this. It is hard to see anything else when your nose is so close to Reals rectum.



Once again, did anyone say anything to you about this? You are the only one that assumed it was Mob member. The thought never crossed my mind. The first thing I thought was it was a TLD member messing around. You assume way to much.



So are you calling him a liar? He was, according to Real, a co leader of the clan. Should I not believe what one of the leaders, that makes most of the decisions, has to say?

As for the sever shit. You, as you always do, only use parts and pieces of a story to your benefit and dont share the entire story. As you posted you saw my response to GPF. Here is the next post regarding this affair.



You didnt bother to post this part, did you. Just took the part that your drama queen self thought would get the most stir.

As for Real's brilliant input......



Probably not as big of a mark as what you left on,

Epacy
Diesel
Opeth
Benny Hinn
Little Old Man
Nixon
Cobra
Panzer
Johnzilla
Deuce
Ateurnus
Mayhem
Aggression
Opression
Pvt. Stone

lol are u kidding ashe...expecially about D...if anybody rubbed anyone the wrong way it was him.

Ashe,



You need to check your own facts. You don't have to look too far either. How about checking your own forums? Take a look at my post on your forums HERE from January 2005


What you state in your reply is not what happened at all.

Again, if that's what Diesel told you, then he was mistaken. The post that generated DMG and Missionary this is still in our private forums. I have posted it before on your forums and will do it again here.

This is from a MOB member (not Druid or I):

"Just curious if they get special treatment on the server? They never use missionary and always post pretty descent scores. Since we enforce missionary for everyone can we get them to use it? I'm not accusing them of anything, just saying that when someone without tags shoots good we want them to use missionary. Why not them? I know some of you are really good friend swith them, just bringing it up."

My post immediately after that was:

"DMG is on the list in CI. The server should disconnect them after about 5 or so minutes if they are not running Missionary. We are talking about the 69.56.164.122 server right?

And my next post:
"Ooops... they weren't on the list. I had their tags listed as DGM instead of DMG... They are now"

As previously stated, no one left the server to kick you. I got disconnected during the SF to DV crash which as you know happens to alot of people sometimes.

Do you really think you're that important that I would leave my game just so I can kick you from the server?

As for your ending comment, gee you are so original! I never heard that one before. The MOB split was over a year ago... LMAO..

Don't you have some servers to try and recruit?


Oh yeah... I like how you say this:


But prior to that you said:


And before you're "Get this done" quote, this was posted:


So don't try and play little Miss innocent. Stop trying to change the subject of the post. You knew exactly what was going on and approved of it.

I could give a shit about what you think of me, but for you to approve of going behind Druid's back like that is pretty sad. Druid is the man that has always been there for you to help you with your servers and whatever else you needed. Druid put you on the map and that's how you repay him? Sad.

Are you really as retarded as everyone else thinks? Put me on what map? I didnt know I was on any map. I guess I was wrong to stick up for you when everyone else was calling you an idiot.

Once again changing the subject. Why not just address the issues at hand? You're too obvious.

What this post proves is that you are a dickhead like everyone else thinks. I guess I was wrong to stick up for you when everyone said you were a dickhead. My bad.

Now who was it that said "Can't you just let it drop?"

Now for the 10th time.
Ashe
I will point out why you should check your facts before you post.
I can't be any more simple than this.
You claimed RD left the server to restart CI for the purpose of kicking you.
The only person who ever said this was You, nobody else.
RD even posted what did happen on your own forum 6 months ago, but you where to thick headed to accept it. That is the only reason you been been going on with the idea you where somehow wronged when that wasn't the case.
You keep falling back to what diesel told you even though both I and RD told you that he was mistaken.
They say a picture is worth a thousand words so here you go
Private Post
Now look at the dates, this was done several days before you claimed RD left the server and restarted CI to kick you. All of this would of been settled 6 months ago if you had been willing to openly discuss it when I tried to do so on your forum.
It's clear, although in the public topic everyone played nice but privately you dragged MOB over the coals.

Now to clear a few things up.
The only reason anyone brought up I had done for you is because in your MOB bashing over the missionary issue you tried to justify yourself with how wrong MOB was after everything DMG had done for them.
Lets see, you helped with practices, funny I thought that was mutual.
If thats the best you could do, as I've said before I'm more than willing to compare scorecards.

At last another cute attempt to change the subject by bringing up the MOB split.
Maybe you don't remember but you had a completely different attitude back then.
How quickly people tend to forget when it suits them.
Lets have a closer look.
Epacy --- This would have more to do with me than RD or at least I think.
Diesel --- He let his competitive side get the better of him, nothing to do with RD
Deuce --- Now isn't this the same person you claimed was hacking in your server? So According to you it's a good thing he left MOB or are you going to claim you didn't make that statement.
As for the rest, it's been covered more than once.

Something I've never understood. When a person can't respond to the topic, the best they can do is bring up the MOB/TLD split. They mistakenly think they are throwing something in our face when it actually makes them look silly seeing as how most people don't even know what it was about.
As I've said all along, people tend to come an go but MOB remains.
The TLD/MOB split wasn't the 1st or only time, it was just as big of a loss when F-K and the FBI guys went their separate ways to do their own thing.
I wonder why no one ever brings that up?

Please go back to TLD's forums where this all began. YOU brought it up. Not me. Do you have nothing better to do then bring up an issue that was dead for over 5 months?

Druid, you started all this. In my post on TLD I was referring to my dislike over the way Real handled the Girls w/Guns issue and you got out your whip to beat that dead horse over and over. You were wrong for bringing it up, but you will never admit to that. You had no idea what I was referring to, but you will never admit to that. You ASSumed......wrongly.

You are clinging to an issue that was over almost 6 months ago to bring into light the GPF issue. Every clan has things they dont want others to know about. Like the time Real filed the email dispute with the OGL because Mob won a match but the opposing team was unwilling to post the loss until after DMG had challenged for the top spot. We then beat Warpigs and Real disputed the fact. Saying we should not be in the top spot because we never should of been allowed to challenge them due to the fact that Mobs match was over before ours, but the team Mob played did not report the loss in a timely fashion. This was while we were practicing together, so Real tried to keep it as quiet as possible. I never whined to him when the admin from the OGL sent me the email laughing about what a whiner he was. I let it go. Oh well. This is going nowhere. You wont admit that you were wrong to bring it up and I really dont care about it anyways.

Defelect... deflect....deflect.....

Sorry Ashe but wrong again, I only posted in reply to your post.
As much as you try to say this was regarding an issue that was dead 5 months ago, that realy isn't the case now is it?
If it was, You wouldn't of felt the need to bitch at your own members in the last 2 weeks just because they happen to play in our server.
Also as already stated, it's very obvious MOB was dragged over the coals privately in your forum regarding the missionary stuff. An issue you still won't admit you were wrong about even though proof has been posted in this very topic.
Now tell me again who can't let things go?

lmao sry to butt in but have yall ever heard of sumerizing. i hate F****** reading but continu on boys ignor me im just Reg & a post whore and will take ne opurtunity to bring up my post stats

same here.



im listening to behemoth play gay music


I don't under some of it, but most was good reading and very boring =P

First of all MOB there you go again. Doing what you do best perpetuating drama. Doesn’t Mob have lives outside of MOHAA, AWH, didn’t think so. You’re the ones who hold on to shit. Ashe didn’t say much in his little comment about mob. Your perception of things is a little off. Oh, I assume it goes back to the missionary issue. Assuming this assuming that; why don’t you assume that you’re really not that important for us to still give rat’s ass about your missionary deal. DROP IT. Talk about living in the past. I bet your archiving links and replies so you can readily have it “in case” it ever comes up. Move the fuck on please. Have you guys grown so enveloped in this whole charade that you’ve sunk so far as to try and Hack our Members only section of the site?

DID you guys HACK our "PRIVATE MEMBERS FORUM" to steal the information from a copy write protected site and repost it on public sites for the sole purpose of beginning a flame war? Or did you just work really hard to try and persuade a “so called” DMG member to give you the password so that you can steal private information? Oh is this the second clan you’ve done it to? If that’s not bad enough you know that far and few DMG give a shit about your drama enough to read your forums so you go to TLD and try to start a FLAME WAR there too. Come the fuck on. Yes a great example of integrity and leadership you continually show the mohaa community.


Second of all:
It’s self imposed ban .Maybe he doesn’t want us to even have to deal with FASCIST leaders; who Snoop in all the so called “PRIVATE MESSAGES” in their forums; then acts out on the snooping. Perhaps he doesn’t want us to invoke any conversation with people who like harbor old “issues” and repeatedly bring them back up when given the chance. Maybe he doesn’t want us to deal with a leader who tries so damn hard to figure out what’s going on in DMG’s private members section. Christ it makes fucking sense to me. Why not pull the plug at the root of the problem; so we can spend more time --- PLAYING THE DAMN GAME.

PLEASE read AT LEAST THIS SECTION
THIRDLY: MAYBE YOU NEED A REFRESHER COURSE ON THE WHOLE ENTIRE HISTORY BEHIND the MOB 4 deal.

Before we were even DMG me and Stupad used to play on mob 4 ALLOT, We befriended GPF and the regulars (unlike the mob players who seldom went there and when they did they would talk shit to noobs and force ss on everyone who had a better score than them) I busted cheaters, got games started and got people to come back> Every night it was GPF, me, Stupad, the Mexican, errtuu and richard cranium there for roll call at midnight. GPF even wanted me and Stupad to be “official regulars” for his server (but then we got picked up by DMG) he thanked us for everything we were doing for his server. I liked his server and him because he seemed different than MOB he was actually trying to make it fun for people. Low and behold on mob 4 Holden Caulfield becomes my friend. When I joined DMG I never said shit about the “DMG” site while on the server cause I didn’t want to “step on” real deals sensitive toes (even though people would ask). I didn’t want to publicly mention our site because I heard how Mob’s leader was. So, WHAT DO I DO? I figure I’ll just mention where my new site is to my friend in a “PRIVATE MESSAGE” (if you want the definition of private I can look it up for you) as to not piss off anyone or “spam”. LOW AND BEHOLD – YES what happens to private messages on the MOB SITE? They aren’t private, not at all. The next thing you know Read Deal is messaging ASHE saying he wants to “ban me” for advertising in a “PRIVATE MESSAGE” not addressed to him. Jokingly saying “is she slow” cause I didn’t understand the so called subjective rules of “spam”. WTF it’s a god damn fuckin game.. HELLO. Turns out that MOB wanted to recruit my friend. He would have joined if not for the injustice and hypocrisy and lack of integrity displayed MOBS leadership. He declined because of what Real Deal did.

That’s the thanks we get for all the time busting cheaters on MOB 4, getting people to download new maps, creating regulars and starting up the server. You could say I was FUCKIN ANGRY about the BS. I did put a self imposed ban from the server myself. For reason of principle and Real Deal’s fascism. I missed GPFs server and all the regulars. I wanted to let GPF know why we weren’t going to be around anymore because his clan leader is full of shit. He asked what would have to happen so I can play there again and I said simply “break away from mob” and it was my idea to ask if he needed a clan to associate with he could use our name. I thought he was better than what some of Mob had become (talking down to noobs, accusing everyone with better scores of hacking, ego trips and a general lack of respect for anyone not in a clan or who doesn’t kiss their ass). I was telling him that as a friend and someone who really loved his server and wanted to see it grow (its subjective so don’t tell me otherwise). So yeah, I’m guilty it was me! Do I deserve a spanking now or what? Don’t blame it on DMG… blame it on Girls w/guns. I don’t really give a rat’s ass! If I did something I’ll be the first to admit it. I did it with just cause. Don’t drag anyone else into your imbroglio of drama. I just explained why I did it. So if you still have funk about it you got funk with ME. Not Ashe, not Farmer not even Vert or Stupad; ME. So, what’s the point?

DRUID I don’t know you but I respected you because I heard you were intelligent and reasonable. I am not trying to start a fucking flame war between current MOB members but I think you needed to hear another side of the story. Whether or not you take the time to hear an opposing opinion is beyond my control. I just wanted to put it out there. Your own members/leaders are not infallible. Yes it was me who suggested GPF break away from MOB. Not Ashe, not anyone else. It was all my idea and my instigating; so what. It may have been wrong from your perspective but my behavior was a reaction to the actions of Real Deal. From my perspective I feel justified in my behavior and do not regret my actions. I did it for selfish reasons because I wanted to play there every night without having to deal with all the drama MOB likes bring about (i.e. Real deals snooping habits and name calling and his inexpedient abuse of administrative powers). I loved the late night high speed carnage wars with GPF, TLD, DMG and other great players; and wanted a positive place to play without having to deal with Real Deals antics or some of your members forcing SS on me when the server owner knows I don’t cheat (and actually bust others for it). It seems in this plight of clan dealings you people forgot how to have fun and what clans are really supposed to be about. It seems that MOB doesn’t appreciate the newer folks who fill your servers, try catch hackers; you know the little gamers that make the world go round. For some of MOB I apologize if you are offended by what I’ve said if you have integrity and have shown respect for the gaming community then these comments don’t apply to you. You say you judge clans on how hard they try to create a place for people to play and have fun; does this not apply to your own clan as well.

NOTE: Don’t bother replying to me on this forum. I won’t propagate anymore bullshit drama or flame wars. I’m not coming back to view this thread or post a rebuttal I said what I needed to say. I don’t care who reads it or who doesn’t. I just wanted Druid to have some first hand background info and commentary as to what led up to this crap. If Druid has anything else to say he can find me on the DMG site (and that goes for anyone else who wants to take it amongst themselves to further perpetuate the situation).

How about this for resolution; I will never play on any of your servers again. Also, I hereby offer an apology for anyone that’s been offended as a result of my actions; although I am not apologizing for my actions themselves.

And how bout real deal get a goddamned life and stop harboring shit from 5 months ago and trying so hard to spy on whatever the fuck is going on in our "Private Members Forum" How about you let every other clan into your private member forums and let us see the shit you said that was to be kept amongst yourselfs. WTF seriously who's so childishly into it that they spend all of thier spare time fucking trying to get others clans members to divulge inner clan info or whats going on in their private members forum. NEWSFLASH

As for those like Real Deal, SPARE ME THE FUCKIN ACADEMY AWARDS! You are NOT the innocent or just leader your codes of conduct like to portray. Admit it and admit you spend way to much time trying to figure out what other clans are up to. Lets face it you’re the like the Karl Rove or John Negroponte of Mohaa. I understand you like the game but I think you’re a little too pre-occupied with the POLITICS of it; so much so that you forgot what the mohaa community should really be about. He spammed that, she spammed this, this clan said this in their private member forum, 2 years ago when I asked them to use missionary they wouldn’t. You like to keep tabs, hold shit over people’s heads when half of the current clan members weren’t even around when the shit happened. What do you have some folder on your PC that archives everything and anything everyone on MOHAA has ever done? ……. On the 19th day of June 2004 at 5:05 pm this one clan member said he didn’t like mob in his private message I hacked into. WHO THE FUCK CARES….. LET IT GO! If mohaa is gonna survive at all this cut throat circus of politics sure isn’t gonna help us! If you love it… Let it go. For the love of GOD! Your gonna give yourself an ulcer keepin "tabs" on fucking clan bullshit and bringing shit up from the dead.




So DID YOU GUYS HACK our "PRIVATE MEMBERS FORUM" to steal the information from a copy write protected site and repost it on public sites for the sole purpose of beginning a flame war? Or did you just work really hard to try and persuade a “so called” DMG member to give you the password so that you can steal private information? Oh is this the second clan you’ve done it to? Yes a great example of integrity you continually show the mohaa community. “Oh self righteous leader"

I dont really give a fuck if anyone has a rebuttal to this post. I dont want to waste any more precious time from my life worrying about some "funk" a "video game" clan has over some old ass shit that. I def hope none of you are losing sleep over this shit! I'll be on the DMG site and no where else (not the TLD siten not metal mulisha... DMG) Enough of these childish antics seriously people.

Are you for real?

More defelection. Good lord, STFU already. I can't beleive Ashe made you post that for him!



Once again, let's bring this thread back on topic:


={DMG}=YOU_SO_STUPAD --- He asked us if there were any solutions that could be worked out so we could play there again and I think the only way this could be done would be to break off from MOB. THis would be cool since we pay nothing for the server, he does it just cuz he likes to play! It would also be good since there are already tons of regulars on that server so it would boost our forums and webpage tremedously! think about it, free server 64 people, west coast for us CALI DMG, and free advertizing for DMGclan.com!
HAHA, first we take their players now we take their server! DONT FUCK WITH DMG
={DMG}=Vertigo --- I think it'd be cool. Just to shove it in their faces. DMG #4 it would look so good. It always attracts players, I love the server because I poon noobs on it Gretzky style.
={DMG}=ashe --- Get this done
={DMG}=FaRmErBrOwN --- Hey Girl, Ashe has asked me this morning to tell you to go ahead.
={DMG}=Vertigo --- No I think you're lying. Everyone wants to be DMG.
I didn't want him anyway. He's cancer in the making. His server would be nice though.
={DMG}=YOU_SO_STUPAD --- I emailed gpf and asked him to call me and josh sometime after 8 or something. This is when we will have to try and work him lol! We still have to discuss our plan of attack nah more like final convincing. a like a man that wants to be convinved but still is like i dont know , but then hes like convince me. Ill let you know how it goes.
={DMG}=Girlsw/Guns --- heres whats going on. here is the reply I got from gpf regaurding the server Thank you very kindly for your detailed message, I appreciate it. My first reaction is: you punish yourselves by not coming over to #4 because of what some clan member (RD) says? Who cares what he says? Sticks and stones may break my bones...
That just seems a little unusual to me. It seems like biting your
nose to spite your face,
if you're familiar with that aphorism.

I guess he needs to think about it some more. I dont know he may be too much of a pansy to break away from MOB.




And you have the nerve to talk about integrity and the good of the MOHAA community?

Druid,
I am having a problem with one of the bat files on the server. Later on can you take a look at it?

Well, it seems we have a new user to the forums

And this comes from the girl that talks about integrity?



-----

LOL Realdeal, your a regular Barnaby Jones.

ok im gonna chime in here....
1.) who the fuck are? how long have you been in the mohaa world? oh yeah wait, thats right you have been around for like what a minute? you seriously think that your actions will affect {MOB} or anyother clan? no.....good bye I or anyone else around really dont GIVE 2 SHITS if you drop dead while helping the homeless.

2.) well this explains why ashe refused to send me the pk3's for the coduo server. kinda nice, didnt have to ban me, but also wouldnt let me play there either. not like i really care, theres 4000 other servers (mostly full to kick ass on...). so i guess {MOB} aint welcome there as well...oh wait {MOB} never asks for us not to play with others because of childish bullshit. thats all this is is 10 y/o bullshit. i hear this shit from my 2 kids. so i see the mentality....

3.) i dont ever remember real being an asshole about missionary. most clans have to use it, you dont your no better then a hack. but your whole clan refused to use it. how would i know because i remember seeing a few DMG (one being vert) bitching about using it on the server back when i played on it....this is while DMG didnt have a server, but then they got one again...make up your minds if you gonna play a game. done come to the server no one give 2 shits. (you should be familar with that now.)

4.) holden coulfield (? correct spelling) who give 2 shits what he thinks...stay the fuck away!!!
adios, BYE BYE!!!!

now for DMG, HOODS......the stupidity from OCC must be spreading. one dumb fuck to you cunt w/ gunz.


to anyone that was around for a while Bullet, Barg0d......i see why some of the older MOB guys say F?U right off the bat. assholes like you.

Fuck being friends
fuck off



*P.S.* I dont remeber druid or Realdeal ever proclaiming to be GODs around here. hes been here the longest and is probally one of the nicest 2 guys around. do me a favor, dont insult them....as for ASHE he gets his jollys off by starting shit around mohaa. thats from his own words.

I was going to let it die down but the fat ass that does not know how to spell or use punctuation decided to put his two cents in (which leaves his entire net worth now at $1.24).



Obviously this is not true or you would not of taken the time to take your fat little fingers out of the bag of Cool Ranch Doritos long enough to type a 3rd grade style essay with more punctuation errors and misspellings then if your kids would of typed it.




I did not refuse to send you the pk3 files, moron. I told you we were in the process of changing the files on the server and I would send you them when they were done. Have your child read the post to you. There are multi syllabic words and you will not be able to comprehend them without your offsprings help.



Are you a member of Mob? I did not know that Mobs Mohaa charity had gone as far as to let the less fortunate minds among the community join. When did you start making the decisions for Mob?



Fuckstick, we have had a server, non-stop for over three years. So we didnt "got one again", we always had one.



I am not sure what this means, but I am sure it is not nice. What is F?U?, Silver, I do believe that your fingers have gotten so fat that you can no longer hit one key at a time. Maybe you should try Jenny Craig one more time. Isnt that where you met your wife?




Who has been here the longest? Is he two guys? Once again, makes no sense. I would agree that Druid is a very nice guy. He has helped me out tons of times (not tons as in what your legs weigh, but I mean alot of times). Realdeal can be a very nice guy as well, he just takes his clan and himself way to seriously. You on the other hand should just be tagged for research. You are about one beer away from being tied to a wheelchair and locked in a room with no windows and nothing to cut yourself on.

In closing, Slobber, keep your fat mouth filled with chimichangas and your hot dog sized fingers off the keyboard, you are only showing your ignorance and lack of anything resembling intelligence.

this is true......

but for the rest your a funny mother fucker!! take you all night to think of that? my kid read me the post...still waiting....

ashe the only reason why this converstion is taking place is cuz your server is DEAD same as your forums. you must hope the publicity from mob and tld forums will bring in a few people. might not want to recruit them right away... well im wrong they will be the only people at ur joint. btw your clan took its last breath along time ago. as for me being a reg...hummm...i dont plan on ever being recruited for MOB, i am a little weird but if i wanted to be in a "REAL" clan i guess i could have found one.seeing as there are VERY few of them around.i dont think i would leave ANY CLAN for Hoods inc.(I mean really!) the REGS are about what i wanted. still you are nothing more then a leech on the mohaa community. i always seen you as a fair person, i still think you are but you really got to stop the childish bullshit. really man grow up! i dont see why {MOB} would give a shit about server #4 no one used the thing and no one asked for it. so why would {MOB} care if it left...oh wait...cuz a clan that was kinda a friend started stupid shit? that must be you.

Ashe
you are only showing your ignorance and lack of anything resembling intelligence.
Funny you would say that seeing as how it was what I was going to reply to this

={DMG}=Girls w/ guns
So DID YOU GUYS HACK our "PRIVATE MEMBERS FORUM" to steal the information from a copy write protected site and repost it on public sites for the sole purpose of beginning a flame war? Or did you just work really hard to try and persuade a “so called” DMG member to give you the password so that you can steal private information? Oh is this the second clan you’ve done it to? Yes a great example of integrity you continually show the mohaa community. “Oh self righteous leader"

Once again another accusation that stems from your own illiteracy.
Yep we hacked your forum, you don't even understand how and why thats not possible. It's true nuke sites get hacked all the time. There are two reasons for this.
1) they don't keep updated, which isn't the case on yours
2) The sites are ran from here today gone tomorrow host that don't know how to correctly secures the site or version of SQL they use. This again isn't the case because your site is hosted the same place ours is.

As for the accusation I tried so hard to persuade someone to do something, you are obviously confusing me with yourself ( ie. Hey GPF here is a B.S. story I'll tell you to try and get you to change your server Tags ).
This is simply how it happened.
I was playing on our server and someone was running up a good score.
I was still logged into our server box and I thought it might me someone who I had just previous banned for wallhacking, so I did a quick check of their IP.
To my suprise it happen to be one of your players.
I asked why he was smurfing.
He asked to go to spec then he told me it was so he wouldn't get bitched at.
I told him I didn't care if DMG played on our server, more the merrier but I don't like people smurfing as it causes problems.
His reply was "No not you guys Heir Ashe Hitler bitches if we play on MOB servers"
After that I had a very enlighting converstion with him.

Yep your right that's a lot of massive persuading on my part.

While we are on the subject of hacking, do me a favor and ask Ashe who fixed the DMG Server box after it was hacked to save you guys a $100 OS reload fee.
Gooddamn ain't I the Asshole... How dare I... LMAO

Seeing as how you want to justify your acusation by bringing up TLD and what happened on their forum.
I didn't hack it someone else did, several people brought it to my attention.
When I got there, very true I saved a copy of it.
This was for one reason and one reason only.
Certain members who are no longer active had huge issues that they where unwilling to discuss, deal with or simply drop. The only reason I brought it up in a reply to one of their members is I wasn't going to let him continue pissing down my back while he tried to tell me it was raining.
Did I ever do anything publicly with it. No
In fact recently, I'm the one who pointed out TLD where begging to get hacked again becauss they was running an old version. When they tried to update it and ran into problem, I helped fix it.
So please don't try to add what happen with TLD into this fray because you only make yourself look more silly.

As for the rest of your post.
={DMG}=Girls w/ guns
I think you’re a little too pre-occupied with the POLITICS of it; so much so that you forgot what the mohaa community should really be about. He spammed that, she spammed this, this clan said this in their private member forum, 2 years ago when I asked them to use missionary they wouldn’t. You like to keep tabs, hold shit over people’s heads when half of the current clan members weren’t even around when the shit happened.
The perfect example of what I'm talking about.
The only real differnce is it's a reflection of you not us, thats what you fail or refuse to understand.
The whole discussion involving server #4 is the perfect example.
GPF is the nicest guy, has never said anything bad about or to anyone.
Yet you won't play on his server for your own petty reasons. A server you and many DMG liked to play on. Yet now you refuse to for the exact same clan POLITICS you accuse us of.

Here is the summary.
Someone is told a B.S. story to try and get server tags changed.
Part of the reason is because they assume it will be some big bash on MOB.
When it doesn't work out, A nice guy who had down nothing wrong becomes a pansy an asshole.
Which breaks down to
"If you don't change your server tag we are going to take our ball and go home"
So don't you dare lecture me about childish antics.

wtf.

Don't wanna get embroiled in something that ain't mine, but because the above policy affects everyone who registers in {MOB} forums (like me), anyone should have a say on this.

I think it's acceptable for {MOB} to read private messages in order to catch cheaters, spammers, recruiters, etc, so long as {MOB} informs those who sign up that they retain the right to do so. Put something in the terms of agreement like the following:

//=================
1) I agree not to do the following [...]
2) I understand that in the effort to catch cheaters, {MOB} retains the right to read ANY of my private messages provided certain criteria are met [...]
3) I understand that should I be found to be in violation of Rule 1 through any private message, I may be punished accordingly [...]

etc.
//=================

It puts all the cards on the table, it informs the signee of exactly what he's getting into, and it justifies any preventive measure {MOB} takes thereafter. Who knows, it might even scare a few n00bs from breaking the rules. Just imagine going to Disneyland and renting a private locker for the day, then finding out some attendant went ahead and rifled through your stuff because your appearance/behavior/clothing/etc. raised certain red flags. Unless the attendant notified you of this search policy from the get-go, then it's a violation. The intentions are laudable (and I don't think anyone thinks otherwise), but the procedure, as it is now, seems a bit invasive.

Or suppose, in ignorance of {MOB} policy, I wrote a PM to Silver like this:

//=================
Hey how bout that <Dodgers> Clan, those fvckin' cheaters had it coming to them after what they did--spamming the forums and recruiting talent on {MOB} servers after they hacked <Giants> #25. f4gs. BTW, I know you said Real was a cool guy and all, but personally I think he's a dick who needs to loosen up. Maybe he'll get better. And, btw, my mom is coming out of the closet. And, btw, I know it's not your biggest concern but, really, you should see your doctor about those herpes--open sores bespeak badness. ttyl.
//=================

While the message is clearly legal, it would still be flagged and read without my knowledge (according to Druid's criteria), and there is now a potential for sensitive information, information I would like to keep private, to be divulged. Of course, this is just a mock letter--there is no <Dodgers> clan (thank god), Real hasn't done anything to me, my mom ain't gay, and Silver has bigger concerns than herpes. sorry bud.

The point is that I would have shaped my letter differently if I had known of the search policy, and then everybody would be happy. Now, if somewhere in the agreement there is a stipulation that {MOB} has the right to do this, feel free to shove it in my face. As it is now, I'm not peeved or anything, because I figure you're not snooping around these things for leisure (that would be sad) or for any criminal intent (even sadder). That's all.

p34c3

--holden_caulfield

that was in reference to bitch w/ gunz
its post

to speed your reading

Hey guys I hate to be the one who breaks this up, but we still have alot of fun playing this game dont ruin it by replying to crap that was typed or really not meant. Sometimes we say things that we dont mean and it gets blown out of proportion. Just lay off and schedule a scrim and take it out on your keyboard and mouse. We at TLD have had our rifts with MOB and other clans. When you think about it we all need each other in the end cause we just love the competition and funny ass shit talking. I would imagine if this was discussed on ventrillo with all of who were involved it would not get to this. To be honest I am glad DMG and Mob are still around. We still practice to beat the best of the best . I think this has got way to much attention. It has been entertaining to say the least but getting old. Deep down you guys would do anything for each other and thats what counts. Save the other BS for the game. Just my thoughts.

Zillah . .. ...

Zillah + peaceful post = even more EZPUSSY. Anyways, I really just wanted you morons to leave our forums. I didn't want this to spill over like this because you all look overly concerned about this issue(s). I did however enjoy silver and ashe bashing each other...

holden_caulfield somehow got dragged into this by no fault of his own and I apologize. He brings up a rather good point so I will address it.
The registration form that I doubt anyone bothers to read includes this line
"We have the ability to view and/or remove all objectionable messages public or private and we will make every effort to do so, within a reasonable time frame, if we determine that removal is necessary. "
I think that covers your question.

In this day and age very little of what most people would think of as private actually is. There have been dozens of cases involving private emails sent or stored on company computers. These are not private regardless of if the company announces it or not.
Until two years ago I helped admin a large discussion forum ( 5000+ members ) focusing on current events and Social Topics ( Religion, War on Drugs, Gun Laws, Privacy and Anonymity, Government Abuse). It was a phpBB forum and we installed a mod to encrypt private messages, there is no such mod for IPB as it's not an open source forum like phpBB.
We didn't do anything to gain access it's simply their as it is on ever single forum. Any forum you go to works the exact same way unless they have installed a mod which will you would be made aware of when using the PM system.

## Added Later ##
After rereading my post I thought I should add this to solve any false impression.
The forum I helped admin where we added a mod to encrypt private messages wasn't really so the admin couldn't view them it was because the forum was on donated webspace. The mod was to prevent the owners of the website to access PM's and certain private forums.
Half of the clan forums you visit are on small reseller sites. The owner of the webspace not only who run the site would have access to anything in the forum or PM's.
I'm only bringing this up because PM's are not the place for sensitive information.

If one is going to berate another on grammatics, punctuation and spelling:



It should be "...you would not HAVE taken..." and "your kids would HAVE typed..."



Please use apostrophes in their proper place - "...your OFFSPRING'S help..."



Again, please use the apostrophe properly in the word "isn't."



Please use the correct form of "too" if you are using it as you have in your paragraph. "Alot" is not one word, but two separate words: "a lot." Also, you really shouldn't end a sentence with a preposition.



Your second comma should be a semicolon or you need to restructure your sentence.

In future if you are going to mock another's English usage, make certain yours is actually correct lest you appear as a hypocritical dolt.

Dear NecroKitty,

Thanks for the grammar lesson; however, don't get too upset with the language skills presented here. Basically, what you see is de-evolutionary. For those few who write in Standard English, I say: poeta nascitur, non fit!

Write on, however, in Standard English (if you can).

ML

So NecroKitty works for you, in a "good" way I mean?

ML

So, Mona, are you Devo? Their are so few of us in the world...

Bargod,

Are you referring to the band Devo? If so, yes. I thought they were cool. Remember the video where they used the bullwhip? Those guys were different, but good!

ML

To take this further off topic... I'm talking about more than the band. I'm talking about the Devo movement. The idea that man is devolving into animal.

FRAG ON!

Oh yea! I work with teenagers.

ML

i think i missed something while i was gone LMAO

That devolutionary theory was trendy when I was back in college. I even heard Timothy Leary speak on the subject before his ashes were spread along with Gene Rodenberry across the sky. I do not know if I believe we're heading for the planet of the apes, but after speanding time on this forum???????

BB

hummm bardot i think that to be able to measure humanity and be able to judge it, you would have to know what humanity really is. is it compassion? respect, morality, peace and love, fear or lust? even all of them wrapped in one in a word we call reality it still is expressed diffrently from person to person. to be able to see the diffrence in humanity you have to progress ahead of it and be able to look back.