I think there are a couple of problems with each server, and I don't think I'm the only one who believes this.
First, in the Cassino server we should get rid of the MG's. The ones you have to place, that is, not BAR or STG. Also, since we've had some trouble from the rocket jumper thing I think we should just get rid of rockets too. This way I don't have to explain to people how it's ok to be on one roof but not another (cuz one the enemy can shoot back the other they can't). I think this will greatly improve the gameplay since it will cut back a bit on spawn killing and let everyone have more fun. I also think the time limit should be 25 minutes instead of 20.
Second, for Barbarossa I think we need to cut back the players just a bit. Maybe make 22 public spots with 4 or 6 private. I think once you start getting 30 players on their it just isn't as much fun do to lack of vehicles and the number of people forced to be on foot and camp. When there are that many players if you take a tank by a house you are going to get hit by a rocket. You just can't prevent it cuz there are too many people without vehicles.
What are everyone else's oppinions on this? I know some people have agreed with me on vent. Are there others out there?

I havent played on the Cassino server. But the Barbarossa server i like the way it is other than one thing. I dont think you need a time limit. I mean its the same map over & over, So why not play untill theres a winner. It sucks when they have one base left & theres less than 2 minutes left. You scramble to get there & oh well time ran out. As for there being too many players/ Not enough vehicles. I dont mind being on foot. For the most part i do my most damage when i cross the map on foot & steal a tank or find a spot that spawns Bazooka's/Panzerschrek. And if driving by houses gets you paranoid because of bazooka's, Then go around them. I havent seen a spot on Barbarossa that you have to drive between houses other than the Russian's 3rd base. And even then you really dont have to drive down that road you can always go around. Thats the beauty of that map its frickin huge. Its hard enough to get in that server as it is with the 31 slot's please dont cut it down. I'll never be able to play on it!

dear god dont touch barb!!!!!! there is a cult following on that server. as for the mg on cassino... fuck'em leave them in, in war there were mgs and i think they rock they have there advantages but more then that they have there disadvantages.

as for the rocket jumps.... the only problem i have is on one roof which is not popular to get to anyways you can glitch down bleow the roof line and snipe out through the wall. i kick/ban people for that. to me thats cheating. other then that when people rocket jump on roofs i love to kill them...it so easy and ussally there score suck from getting killed so much...but i say turn off the shell shock

I just think that with no tanks we don't really need rockets, and I hate going into spec when I think someone is on that roof u can shoot thru. As long as they stick to the roof where others can hit them it's fine, but I just think life would be easier without the rockets.
As for the mg's, so many people complain about spawn killing and I think it's mostly the mg's that piss them off. I know I get most of my kills by spawn killing, but it's with a rifle so it's not so bad, right? Hell, If I could have my way it'd be rifle only, but I realize that probably wouldn't be very popular.

I'd play rifle only. Thats all i use on Barbarossa. I'll have to jump on and check out the Cassino server. I dont know how to rocket jump, so you wont have to look for me on a roof top. You can kill me on the ground.

I agree with bargod. whats the use of rockets if there are no tanks. I like the no timlimit idea also.

no timelimit is absolutely ridiculous- Ok, it gets to a point where there is a stalemate, neither team will win.



it happens when it is 35 min too



so a no timelimit is ridiculous.



and for casino, you take out rockets, people can just use nades to do the same thing, both have same effectand i've seen people use both

I do agree with Silver that Barb should stay the same.
I do though have a suggestion to add sidecar motorcycles to the map. I played one version of the map with sidecars and it was awesome you could get around twice as fast as a jeep and tanks had a hard time picking you off.

You could also get to the enemy bases quickly and try to arm hopefully preventing a tie game.

Not sure who made the map or how you could add the sidecars but would certainly be a great addition.

True, but the rockets serve no purpose without tanks. They are just annoying when some moron shoots you with a rocket from accross the map, which it rarely kills you, but brings your health down a bit and pisses you off. Same with the stationary MG's. It takes no skill at all to use those guns. Any dickweasle can run(sit) around with one of those and get a few kills. I don't mind getting spawn killed by a rifle, STG, BAR, SMG, etc, but to get killed by some cockhead sitting with a stationary mg is just gay.

Check out the [MWHQ] server. They run stock maps with no time limit & there always full. Somtimes it can take awhile to blow the last base. But it can be done, it just takes a team effort. I've been in matches there that have lasted over an hour. And when its done they start another map.

Thats my point since you dont rotate the map why not play untill its over? I hate tie's & draws! I wanna win or lose! I'm not knocking your server, i like it alot. I just hate it when your almost there & time run's out & you start all over again. Its like sex, Your about to climax & she says im done get off me. I guess i just think that map would be fun with no time limit.

that would be cool, i dont see why not...
can we get a few please!!!!

the sidecars are awesome!!!!!!!1



andi agree with you blk. you make very good points. i was just making the point that the roofs can be had with/ or without rockets

Hmmmm.. that makes a lot of sense. Maybe we should remove the time limit on Barbarossa. ?

remove the timelimits and climax more often!

I say yes to the motorcycles, but HELL NO to the no timelimits. Half the time the 2 easiest bases on each side are blown in 10 minutes. The rest of the time is spent trying to bust the other side that is camping. I'd say one out of 10 of those times ends in a dramatic turn around.
I don't see any problem with ties and draws. If you can't get it done in the forst 30 you have a second 30 to try it in. If you can't do it there you both start over.
With no time limits you'll end up with 30 guys with artillary and nowhere to move. Just go to an all arty server. Very few exist anymore cuz they SUCK! You can't do anything cuz there is arty falling everywhere.
I'll agree to some of the arguements against my peaves. If the server is full when there are so many spots open then I guess I just need to accept that its better with more people. But most of the time when the russian 3 and the german 2 are the only bases left the map can't end quickly ennough. And I've heard from lots of people on the server who agree (during game time).
If nothing is done to change it, ok, but please, do not eliminate the time limits!

Plus (just thought of this) it sucks to come in on round 2 as it is. Lots of people have arty and know the flow of the game and you just come in and you've got nothing! That sucks! You just wait for the end of the second round so you can start fresh with everyone else. No time limits might actually make people leave cuz they don't want to deal with the bs until the next match. I know I would feel that way.

If you don't get it done in the first 30 it completely starts over for the second match. So its not like you get to start where you left off at in the 1st round. It already started over.

I just think no time limit would make it more of a team effort. It doesn't matter the server is fun the way it is. It was just a suggestion.

I agree... to much arty at that point.... it is an obj. map... time limit serves a purpose.


*****I LIKE THE BIKE IDEA!!!!*****

i agree with all your cassino ideas except taking away tyhe rockets, why dont we just say no grenade or rocket jumping? The rockets are good for shootinginto spawns

No, the rockets are just gay. But, that is just my opinion.

what about jeeps on cassino? they would be totally useless but as a mobile gun platform? plus it would be a riot trying to run everyone over.... i know i will get flamed for it but it would be funny and what harm would they hurt? more people would die as a result of trying to drive them then they would using them? plus it would give rocket guys something to shoot at...

NO time limit on barb and make it two round so that peep with arty can use it on the second round. I play on MWHQ server and love it with with no time limit.

I'm all for no time limit on Barbarossa & climaxing more

that is one beautiful ass.

I say, add bikes on the cassino server instead, the map has a bikey sorta feel to it already.

Alright. I will give no time limit a chance. I see the potential.
I still don't see how winning with no time limit is better than winning with a time limit, but I'll give it a shot.
The reason, Big P planted, with me at his side, at a base today with only 30 seconds left. With no time period we would have won. P pointed this out to me.
My thing is that a time limit puts everyone into overdrive. It opens up the game. With no time period guys will camp all day, cuz they know that anyone wanting to blow a base has to go through them.
I'm willing to give no time period a try, but I think it would create hour long matches that are won because people leave the server giving one side an advantage.
But, I'm still willing to try it.

hey guys,

When I play on the Barb server its a great game, and with the time limit its alright in some cases as you just have to wait for the timer to run out if your the team with just one base left. But if you've just got a unlimited time and you have to finish the level to win or loose I think its a gr8 idea as then you have to work as a whole team to either defend the last base or attack the enemies last base. I think it would make it a thrilling war for a unlimited time.

I would suggest if it was at all possible to have the server set so that once the game finished you'd have the teams swap so the germans become russian and russians become germans.

Cool, Bargod.

Welcome to the dark side...hehe.

I say get rid of arty at cassino.I know that the better players wont like it but it is so far from realistic its not funny.No combat unit would ever call in a strike into such a small area with them having their own men all over the place.Also it gives the person who is already kicking ass to do it even at a higher rate.I know my suggestions dont hold much rate here because I dont play much but think about it alright?
Barbarosa.The one bitch I have about it is the team balance thing.I say the server doesnt allow you to pick side when you join.Only auto assign option should be there.If people leave oh well.That actually happens in war that some of the units run off! This may cause one side to win but there is another map that will balance the teams at that time.My point is I was in tank defending base and was doing pretty good for me and having fun,then switched me to on foot to other team.Not cool.I had not had the opportunity to use a tank much at all and was really enjoying it until the switch.Please only auto assign option and no team balance during round.

Oh yeah. You got rid of tanks why not get rid of tank weapons?Also being able to drop hand grenade in tank at Barb. would be cool

Still hopin to get the motocycles with sidecars added to barb

As well if a Mod could be added like one I saw today where you could attach a grenade or satchel to a tank or wall by holding down melee would be nice.

Just some thoughts.

I already looked into the motorcycles. It's not going to happen

Here's the response I got from the developers:

"It will replace both jeeps. The Sd should be safe as it's a new model.
The biggest problem is that the collision map for the BMW is the jeeps. So that means a much longer, wider and taller invisible collmap running around with the BMW. Personally, I don't like it. You would be better off trying for find a model maker to do it from scratch, properly. We talked about it months ago for Barb, but decided that there were bigger payoffs and with limited gamestate to work with, not worth our investment. "

i know you can do that with the aweuo mod...as well as when you are shot you might drop your gun as well as bleed out.. cool mod... but the effects wear down after some time... might be cool to try on cassino and barb... also head shots take the head "off"

I think it might be time to add the tanks and rockets back to Cassino. It adds another dimension to the map, and we've been without both for a while now.

Just my .02.

i say bring back rockets no tanks

Yay for rockets but nay for tanks. For some reason there is always some tank whore out there waiting to ruin a game. Luckily Im very good a killing tanks on Cassino, it helps to know the map forwards, backwards, in and out. And whats up with the stats, they haven't updated sense the 7th?

Wow, a jump from 7/17 to 10/15, i drove sidecars on a map called Micewars. U're the size of mice and those things are fast and hard to control from the outside view, u should drive with space bar. But the motorcycles(BMW/streetcars) are weaker than jeeps...

Where'd the smoke go on Cassino????

Need it to stop the spawnrapers...

Players were smoking out their own team.

Meh, that happens on any server that has smoke grenades. (I run into an idiot like that at least once a week.) Frankly, I just ignore them for the most part.

There's always an idiot throwing smoke indoors, but they do serve a larger purpose.

we are discussing it about after you get arty, you can get a smoke nade too.
that way all the noobs don't just toss 'em out in the middle of nowhere for no reason, it severely messes up snipers like myself & DDz Nothing who complained about it in the first place.

putting smoke back would ruin the map completely.
so would tanks & rockets

Me need bazooka...ughhh me bash....bash Lip with .....steel tube

good luck with that, haha.

I hardly ever play on cassino, But I used the smoke to get out of spawn points when snipers would just camp facing the spawn and killing when they spawned. It actually is usefull when used properly.

That's why Lipton doesn't like it. He wants to be able to spawnrape us machine gunners from his window in the hotel.

That's ok though, because I'm gonna go up there and handbag his ass!

i got sick of kids just throwing them EVERYWHERE, it got insane. if we got one smoke nade for when we get the last rank, then it'd be fine. as long as noobs didn't just throw it in pointless areas for fun.

I'm with ya lip. Maybe after the arty (at 40 kills) you should get 1 smoke everytime you spawn. That would be cool.

Maybe its an illusion, but it appears tanks lag up the cassino map even more. Arty is good motivation to hustle about and get 40 points before the enemy does---> punishment for camping in game's early stages will be dying by barrages on the bonce. Someone mentioned bikes on Cassino- I can never see a biker getting away 10 yards from their spawn alive riding such an inviting target. Halftracks maybe interesting--- anyone see a yank halftrack mod out there yet?

With it's long turning, I doubt that would be a good addition. They need spawn MG's lol.

Good slow moving pillboxes, lol.

lol, yea, but if u take out panzerfausts and the halftracks take the full limit of people, it's like a safe spot if u're hurt too bad...