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{BOM} Lil' Joker
Joined: 29 Dec 2003
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Location: Arizona
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 Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 6:24 pm Post subject: Band of Mutineers |
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always seem to be the one that posts (whines) about problems and stuff
so i just would like to know what you guys think of the whole situation
dealing with the other =|BoM|= guys about them using a crawl or rolling
mod/hack. I along with bucc have been doing research trying to find a
hack/mod of this sort, i have posted many threads on unknown cheats and
other sites looking for it and so far no luck, but im sure something
will pop up soon. Just let me know what you guys think about the whole
thing.
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BoM-Haus
Joined: 24 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 2:45 am Post subject: Its simple |
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I know, Bucc knows, everyone on gods earth knows, it wasn't Prpl, Alchy, Star, and Roadrage that was using mods. End of story
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Draven
Joined: 25 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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The
subject of the hack/mod that we supposedly used has been solved. It is
caused by using City Nights mods and anything else created by those
guys. Just go to the Cheat Police forums and read up. We are a very
clean group. Cleaner than {BOM}. We don't use custom crosshairs or
scopes like {BOM}. You shouldn't go around saying you play stock when
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{BOM} A Lowly Noob(6)
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Joined: 15 Dec 2003
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| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 11:55 pm Post subject: Maybe, Maybe not. |
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Solved?
Maybe, maybe not!!! I havent had City Nights on my game machine since I
re-imaged 6 or 7 months ago, and I witnessed it. So the City Nights
theory may or may not be valid, unless another of the custom maps I
have on my machine are from the same people. But then answer me this.
Why is it I didnt see this anomaly for the longest time, then all of a
sudden one person started doing it, then two, then three? Like one
person got it and started passing it around. And I sure dont remember
it ever happening before when I did have City Nights on my computer. So
why didnt it happen back then?
If you want a box stock server, maybe you should advertise it so
your visitors actually know. I never once saw a message from AK, CI or
an admin saying you were box stock. I mentioned that very point to
alcoholic in an email a couple days ago, and he agreed. Not to mention
you forced ss on me at least once and didnt say anything to me about
the custom sight or blood mod I am running. Do you even look at forced
ss's, and if so do you even know what you are looking at? If the answer
is no to either of those, not my fault. The last time I pointed out
some cheating bastards on your server, Haus told me to not worry about
it and to let you guys admin your own server. Well, maybe you guys
should ACTUALLY ADMIN YOUR SERVER.
We never claimed to be stock. We make no secret of the fact that we
run custom sights and blood mods. Go to our server and you will see a
message that we are stock skins only, and allow only custom sights and
blood mods. I invited you to force ss on me at any time. I told you I
would be happy to send them every time. Meanwhile, you have players,
including BoM players, going spec and back to play to get more ammo,
which you said you did not allow. You have BoM players that ALWAYS play
axis for the weapons advantage. And you got that idiot Haus putting up
an 80 percent headshot to other ratio every map, which strongly
suggests hes using the headshot bot with 80 percent add on. If you guys
ACTUALLY ADMIN'D your server, maybe you would have caught that. Your
people seem to think being an admin means clicking start on AK or CI,
and youre done.
As for our website, we dont have any pointers to any search engines.
Our website is by word of mouth only for now. That is why the traffic
is so low, which is exactly where we like it. What was your point
anyway?
Well, thats all for now....
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{BOM} Buccaneer(6)
Site Admin
Joined: 15 Dec 2003
Posts: 13
Location: Arizona
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 12:25 am Post subject: Mod in question |
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Hey
=|BoM|= Draven, you sound a bit harsh for some reason. I, like Noob do
not have the City Nights map loaded on any of the five machines I have
running here. I have no clue why we are seeing what we saw on your
server with the current mods I have. I have four mods loaded: a blood
mod which doesn't really help out at long range anyway, a compass mod,
no help there, an Avatar mod, again no help there and a sight mod that
I made just for me, that I passed onto others on our team if they
wanted it. Again, not a real advantage in game play vs stock sight.
We allow custom blood and sight mods on our server and advertise that
fact. =|BoM|= other the other hand didn't and doesn't advertise that it
is a STOCK ONLY server. You yourself and Haus have forced SS's on me on
three different occasions in the past and I sent them into you rigth
away as requested. You/BoM NEVER said there was an issue with what I
was using then, so why the fuss now? I haven't changed a thing since
those SS's. If you would have said, please change your mods a long time
ago, I woould have complied if I wanted to play on your server, you
didn't!! Not my fault.
I will check on the Cheat Police site and see what has been posted
as an update on this issue if anything. Hopefully we all can rest easy
that its not a cheat, but more of a glitch. I forwarded a few SS's to
TGS our hosting service and they are forwarding them to the higher-ups
within the Cheat Police for further viewing.
The real issue I had with you guys/BoM besides what I was seeing was
that Haus blind sided me with false claims that I faked everything
which isn't true at all. I was conversing with only you on the matter
because you said you was the top guy/leader of BoM. then all of a
sudden Haus fires a 48 gun broadside on me out of nowhere...What's up
with that? I thought things were cool until then. I think he should
have his FBI friend learn more about photoshop so he can tell the
difference between a real SS and and one that has been FAKED. 
Oh well, no biggy now. Anyway, I have no plans on returning to your
server. You on the other hand are still welcome here on ours if you
like.
One more thing. I appreciate that Alcoholic sent us mail to say
that Haus can be a HOT head sometimes, Thanks Alky for the concern and
interest. The other thing is why are you baggin' on our site? We don't
care about web traffic anyway, its for us when needed.
Have a great MOHAA day! 
Bucc
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BoM-Haus
Joined: 24 Mar 2004
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1. Noob, where did you learn how to spell, all the havent and didnt they need apostrophies. What a noob.... Get a life.
2. Accuse me of heat shot bot? lmfao. Grow up
Far as i am concerned, me and my HOT Head are going back to play on our OUT-OF-THE-BOX server, where it will remain {BOM} free.
Have a nice MOHAA DAY! 
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Draven
Joined: 25 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 7:10 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | If
you want a box stock server, maybe you should advertise it so your
visitors actually know. I never once saw a message from AK, CI or an
admin saying you were box stock. |
It's there through CI message and it's also posted on our forums.
I have personally never forced ss on you guys. After playing with you
guys for so long, I took your word that you were stock. We mainly force
the ss on our own players to make sure they are going by our rules.
That has now all changed. CI is now taking random ss of all that come
in our server and as stated in the CI message and our forums, if you
get caught, you will be banned. As for baggin' on your site, I
appologize. As for Haus being a hot head, yeah he is. He's from the
South but he's not the only hot head involved in this (Noob).
You can send the ss to "higher ups" of whoever you want. Out of all
my resources that I have on cheat issues, they all gave me the same
answer the Cheat Police did. It's caused by a mod on the computer
taking the ss. One more thing, you may have re-imaged/format your pc
but unless you did a delpart, it's not going to matter. Most of the
stuff that's in mods gets saved to your widows directory. It will be
there unless windows gets deleted properly. I also want to point out
that it's funny how this all started when {MOB} started frequenting our
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BoM_alcoholic
Joined: 26 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 9:15 am Post subject: Re: Maybe, Maybe not. |
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| {BOM} A Lowly Noob(6) wrote: | Why
is it I didnt see this anomaly for the longest time, then all of a
sudden one person started doing it, then two, then three? Like one
person got it and started passing it around.
Meanwhile, you have players, including BoM players, going spec and back
to play to get more ammo, which you said you did not allow. You have
BoM players that ALWAYS play axis for the weapons advantage. And you
got that idiot Haus putting up an 80 percent headshot to other ratio
every map, which strongly suggests hes using the headshot bot with 80
percent add on. If you guys ACTUALLY ADMIN'D your server, maybe you
would have caught that. Your people seem to think being an admin means
clicking start on AK or CI, and youre done.
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I can see now this situation has no hope of being resolved.
We welcomed you into our server and even began reffering to you as our
foster children because you were there so much. It's a shame it has
come to this.
It seems when one accusation doesn't fly you come up with another. Tell
me this.. Why when you saw 1 person do the prone position did you not
tell us? Why when you saw 2 did you not tell us? etc... Truth is you
never told us. Lil Joker was the only one we ever received screenshots
from (easy enough to tell since they were labeled in sequence and there
were no duplicate screenshot numbers).
Please tell me how you manage to keep track of everyones ammo, their
kill zones and watch for all those hacks and still manage to play the
game?
As far as admining our server the key word is OUR server. Exactly how
much did all of you pay to play in our server? Zip! You were our
guests.
You don't know us and we obviously don't know you. All we have is our
word and that of the Cheat Police and Black Bart to defend ourselves
from your allegations. But it seems your crusade for a cheat free (yet
scope, site, avitar, blood mod filled) MOHAA community has left us on
the outside looking in. So be it. *Might I add that all of the above
are listed as hacks on the cheat police site.
We must be doing something right we've had several 1,000 players in
there since January. Problem is we don't always have an admin in. We
have lives and remember that this is just a game. When we are there we
try our best to police hackers, however we do not kick or ban without
one of our admins obtaining proof (ie... ci hack codes or screenshots
from spectate.)
Bottom line is we agree to disagree and wish you well in your server.
Sincerely =|BoM|= alcoholic |
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{BOM} Thumper(6)
Moderator
Joined: 20 Dec 2003
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Location: Southern California
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 11:49 am Post subject: Whoa..... |
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Unfortunatly, I have to agree with Alcoholic on this point.
We All Agree To Disagree
I will not debate the fact that the =|BoM|= server did or did not
advertise that custom blood mods-and a different aiming reticule were
not allowed.
This is a quote from the Cheatpolice:
| Quote: | March 26, 2004
Items considered a cheat
Over the past few days and taking into consideration previous
conversations and discussions as well as our suggestion to play the
game "Out of the Box", the following item will from hence forth be
considered a cheat by The Cheat Police.
Cinematics turned off
Scopes with larger than standard viewing areas
Double Binding keys |
The aiming reticule and the blood mod do not fall into the above category.
Also, for the record, I also did not have the City Nights map installed.
In conclusion I must say that several of the =|BoM|= players have indeed shown hospitality to our team, and they will be missed.
Maybe we will meet again in combat.
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{BOM} A Lowly Noob(6)
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Joined: 15 Dec 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: Maybe, Maybe not. |
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Well Haus,
1. I apologize for the punctuation, or lack thereof. It was very late, I was very tired and I got lazy.
2. I didn’t accuse you of having a headshot bot, I said the math
strongly suggests it. In my experience, EVERY SINGLE TIME the math came
up 80 percent for numerous maps, a forced set of match level ss’s
confirmed it. But it’s my word against yours, and your team is
obviously going to take yours. Not that you guys have an admin that
could effectively investigate something like this anyway. It would
require an admin who knows a little more than how to click start on CI.
Draven,
FYI, CI had a problem where random forced ss’s were not placed in
the client’s ss folder, so the player didn’t have anything to send in.
Since we don’t have random ss enabled on our CI I never bothered to
check if that issue was corrected. You might want to check before you
start banning people because they say there were no ss’s in their
folder to send in.
Yes, I’m using XP. Yes, I know all about Fdisk not being able to
wipe out the partition on certain OS’s, including my XP. Nice try
though! The HD was either taken down to parade rest, or replaced with a
new, bigger, faster, better unit. I can’t remember which. But I NEVER
do a partial re-image. However, someone said it wasn’t just City
Nights. It could be any product from the same source. And it is
possible I have a different custom map from the same source, and don’t
realize it. Alchy is right on that one, it was a misunderstanding that
go out of hand.
Alcoholic,
Maybe you weren’t paying attention! The reason I didn’t say
anything about the prone position was because Bucc and Draven were
working the problem. I only stepped in because Haus did, remember?
You're starting to sound like Haus. Are you a closet idiot?
| BoM_alcoholic wrote: | | Problem is we don't always have an admin in. |
You don’t have any admin’s…PERIOD!
But, I have to agree with you and Thumper. Let’s just agree to disagree.
I’ll see you in the trenches, on your server. LOL
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{BOM} A Lowly Noob(6)
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 1:26 pm Post subject: Registered twice??? |
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Hey Alchy,
I just noticed. Why did you register twice, once under BoM_alcoholic and once under BoM alcoholic?
Perhaps it was the closet factor?
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Druid
Joined: 26 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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Let me get this right,
you claimed they had a crawling hack even though when you asked
on the cheat forums you were told it was impossible and didn't
exist? What is it about you guys that you can't admit when your
wrong?
Then when your crawling hack accussation falls through, you fall back to your always popular "Headshot bot with an 80% addon"
I mean really where do you come up with this stuff? I've seen you claim
your phantom 80% headshot bot 3 different times now. Do you set there
and tick down every single kill location every player makes. Well you
would have to, if you were going to justify your claim.
| Quote: | {BOM} A Lowly Noob(6) wrote:
And you got that idiot Haus putting up an 80 percent headshot to other
ratio every map, which strongly suggests hes using the headshot bot
with 80 percent add on. If you guys ACTUALLY ADMIN'D your server, maybe
you would have caught that. Your people seem to think being an admin
means clicking start on AK or CI, and youre done.
Well, thats all for now.... |
Sorry to tell you but your kind of stupid to make your claim of a phantom 80% headshot bot when they run stats on their server.
So there will be no misunderstandings, you have claimed to keep track
of his kills and they show 80% of his kills are to the head.
Okay then explain why that doesn't show up in his stats.
http://69.56.196.70/player/64.html
His stats page shows around 20% kills to the head, which by the way is
average since a lot of kills are made when the player only has their
head sticking out.
So the big questions is, where are the other 60% you said you kept track of to justify calling Haus a cheater?
Nice to see you couldn't admit you were wrong about Haus having 80%
kills to the head. The best you could do is delete my post. LOL |
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