Off the record. What Nurse and I saw is what you said. I personally believe that they were cheating. But we had no solid evidence against them. And since Caine was involved, he wanted solid evidence before he would move on them. I don't neccissarily agree with the outcome that he decided on, BUT he is above me in rank, and that is the decison that he felt was right. Sorry you think it was the wrong one, but I did everything I could at the time to change his decision.
 
 
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OGL-Duvie
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----- Original Message -----
From: realdeal@mobclan.com
To: OGL-Duvie
Cc: Nixon ; epacy ; Druid ; Clan ; NurseRatched@ogl.org ; caine@ogl.org ; eviljohn@ogl.org ; anthrax@ogl.org ; alric@ogl.org ; tapper@ogl.org
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 10:00 PM
Subject: *****SPAM***** Re: *****SPAM***** Re: MOB vs. 7th Rangers

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Caine, Duvie & Nurse Ratched:
Your decision in this matter is simply amazing.  When you look at MOB's previous scores vs. other clans on the map Destroyed Village and then look at the scores from this match.  It is so obvious that the 7th Rangers were cheating.  We even had 2 spectators watching this match. If they could not see it, I am sorry to say that they are obviously blind.  If you guys couldn't see that everytime  a MOB member walked into the room below the plank a grenade from the 7th Rangers would be thrown in before they could see us.  I even advised the spectators to watch me as I hid in this room only to find another grenade thrown in at me.  Additionally, the pre-firing on the 7th Rangers was totally obvious.
Not to mention the emails I received from other clans also convinced that the 7th Rangers were cheating.  I realize your jobs must be tough but you all have really missed the boat on this one.  With decisions such as this and cheaters on your ladder you will lose the good clans that do not cheat. This could not possibly be what you guys want.  MOB is one of the most respected clans playing MOHAN.  We currently have 3 MOHAA servers and 1 Spearhead server.  Some of our members, including Druid and FK are some of the most respected in the MOHAA community.  In fact, Druid is responsible for designing and helping to design several of the current anti-cheat programs currently being used in the MOHAA community.  Not to mention several map fixes to eliminate landsharking and prevent rogue users from spawning objects in maps and knocking the servers out. These are people that spend their free time trying to make the MOHAA community cheat free.
 
One thing is interesting, you tell us to subtract the score of 7th Ranger Silver.  Obviously, for some reason you suspect him of cheating.  Yet, I see no warning, suspension, or removal of the 7th Rangers from the ladder.  This is absolutely ludicrous.  Eventually, more and more of your MOHAA members will realize what their up against and leave this ladder.
 
Your decision is a travesty, we no longer wish to be a part of your ladder. Please delete our team from the OGL Ladder.
 
Thank you,
 
-RealDeal
----- Original Message -----
From: OGL-Duvie
To: realdeal@mobclan.com
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: *****SPAM***** Re: MOB vs. 7th Rangers

It is the decision of Caine, whom is above Relentless. It was not my decision but his. I can not over rule what he says in any fashion.
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----- Original Message -----
From: realdeal@mobclan.com
To: OGL-Duvie
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 5:41 PM
Subject: *****SPAM***** Re: MOB vs. 7th Rangers

So is this your final decision?
 
-RealDeal
----- Original Message -----
From: OGL-Duvie
To: realdeal@mobclan.com
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: MOB vs. 7th Rangers

Caine has ruled that MOB will need to report their loss. You can subtract the scores of 7th Rangers - Silver from the total, and then report that number.
 
 
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OGL-Duvie
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----- Original Message -----
Cc: Nixon ; epacy ; Clan
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 1:34 AM
Subject: MOB vs. 7th Rangers

Hello,
The 7th Rangers have now filed a dispute for this match.  We were told not to do anything until we heard from you.  Please advise.
 
Thank you,
 
-RealDeal