What's the win ratio on Barb now-in-days. I bet Russian out-wins German 2-1 at this point. With all pak shots know, and Russkies having far more, the map has become unbalanced IMO, but would like to know real stats. Are there any?

Surely those VSP stats have that recorded somewhere?

But I think you're right MoD that Russians probably win more frequently than Germans. The pak shots sure take a lot of the fun out of the map IMO (not saying that I dont use them sometimes); but I think Barb was more fun before ScrapyardBob uncovered and posted all the long range 'coordinates.'

It's because the majority of the pro's like Russian and are familar with the shots. I bet if we all went German we could change that around...LOL

T/A6Pak

I remember a game like that where i came in the second round. You guys crushed the russians the first round, but i went russian and halted your victory by maybe 10 minutes. A couple other talented players were there that helped, but in the end, 7 MOB members just crush any opposition.

I think it's a case of 1 + 1 = 2. Experienced players know Russian is better, they can do multiple relatively safe pak shots that rack up both personal points and team wins, and thus, you have pros stacked on the team that is easiest to win with *if* you know what you're doing. It's the way it's been for a while now, but it seems progressively harder and harder to get a win on German if there's any guy on Russian that knows how to do a few pak shots.



Funny thing is, when it first came out and no one knew the 18 different Russian long distance pak shots, I felt Germans had the advantage. No more!

Hi MoD. I agreed that the Russian team take advantage with 4 pak against german 3 pak. As you know the russian team don't need to use the pak to take out german base, the russian Tank can do it .I can use German Tank and Pak to take out all of the russian base from long distance

...and you are not the only one.

What? who else

The exact same issue comes up with Italy on the Stock server. That map seems to heavily favor the Germans who can drop all three bases with long range shots from the hill above G3. The regulars made it a point to play on the British side, or to split up as much as possible. It made for a much better game and now very few people are complaining about the map's inherent imbalance.

I like the PPsh more than the MP44. Thats why I use Russian. I can use the german heavies to hit any Russian base just as easily using the pak on the Russian side. The reason Russian team wins more is because most of the talented players go on that team. Its not cause the map has a fault. You can say that with a German push on Russian 3 from the Russian 1 side can not be stopped if your using all the German Heavies and Stug. German Tanks are much better than the Russian tanks and Russians have very little help with that kind of rush. Just takes talented players to get together and do it all at once.

The bottom line is that its where the talented players are, not the map in general.

I disagree. The imbalance is less about blowing the tops off bases, but covering the plants. Two Russian paks can hit G3, and those 2 paks CANNOT be hit by any German pak. The middle Russian Pak can also cover a plant on G2 or G1. Once again, no German pak can hit it.



On the other hand, Germans can only hit R2 and R3 with their one middle pak, and Russian can counter that with a shot from either their middle or rear Russian pak. Play Rommell or TBN, and they pak the German middle pak all game rendering it useless. Not picking on them, strategically it works, but the point is Germans have no counterbalance to the multipe pak capabilities of Russian. And it gets worse for German. Russian paks can blast into German main spawn. They can be used to kill the gunner on the G3 pak, and that's from the very safe home base pak. I use that one all the time.



One the other balance issues, Germans have the better, more versitile tanks. However, the Russian heavy is the best "defender" tank in the KV1, and I think the T76 is the best tank overall, even with the static gun. And the Germans have one big exploit. That is, their main tank spawn that can be overtaken and held so easily for a long time. Russians have no such vunerability since their tanks are spread out better and spawn area is protected by trees. Well, I don't have to tell you...everyone knows a strategy against Germans is taking over their spawn.



If German paks could return fire on the Russian paks, I'd say it was balanced. But with Russian paks being able to brutalize German paks and all their bases, and all us long time players knowing what does what now...well...



I wrote this because my soundcard is messed and since I'm not on vent, I've been autoassigning a lot lately. Well, that means being on German a lot, and it's frustrating. I consider it a victory just to tie.



Anyway, when I get back on Vent, I'll probably be teamming up more with Vent guys, and that means Russian usually, but I'll feel a little for those poor German bastards. They have little hope against a good team.



MoD

Guys win Barbarossa first started up the Germans one like 3-1 b/c no1 knew any pak gun shots. And if some1 then every1 complained about blind firing. I Pak shots did start to ruin a bit but earlier today the russians got completely destroyed b/c they had people covering the pak guns. If the russians cant use the paks they are screwed roayaly

Again i agreed. It's wrong to say that the german pak is "useless". You can hit R-3, Russian pak behind 3 Russian spawn and Russian 2. Last night the Germ team play well, and almost run over Russian base.

This has been more likely the result on Barb nowadays, of course exceptions happens but this particular game was one to remember Notice anything special on ss?? :

HatchetMan couldn't have played many seconds......