WARNING! GRAPHIC VIOLENCE Options

[realdeal]

This is a video of a suicide. It happened recently in NY and is true. The girl just broke up with her boyfriend and he was apparently upset about it. The video can be viewed

EDITED ******LINK REMOVED******* - if you want the link, PM me and I may send it to you.


IF you don't beleive it's true you can ready the story

HERE

The man's mother is suing the city for leaking the tape.

[Col. Mustard]

i think this topic should be removed. if the website that orginally had it was asked to remove it and RD should have to as well or face the same consequences that the website is for distributing it. that tape was never meant to be viewed by the public. i also think that there should be some sort of an extent as to what content is posted on this site. you have to remember that not everyone that comes here is an adult. children come here as well.

[realdeal]

Thank you for your opinion Col Mustard, wus.

Since the site is paid for by me and registered in my name, I accept full responsibility for the content.

[Col. Mustard]

then the title should say GRAPHIC VIOLENCE. graphic content could mean several things.

[realdeal]

IMO, the video below is worse!!! But in all seriousness, if this is offending to people let me know and I will remove it or move it to the members only forums.

http://www.mobclan.com/forums/upload/index...?showtopic=3291

[Kirby]

Well its a good argument for gun control. Had he not had the hand gun, he would had went for a walk got upset, but at least had time to think and likely disguard the idea. With a gun that handy and 22 years old, and distraught, this is what happens. Over this side of the border (Canada) the law is pretty strict when coming especially to hand guns. Even now with hunting rifles, 22's etc, you have to have a FAC and they clamped down on that big time. US wise its so out of hand I doubt it will ever be effectively controlled.

As for posting? Well lesson above. I would not keep it up too long myself, but you can go to amazon.com and purchase Faces of Death - 1978, and its many followers legally in the US. Basically it shows different up close deaths, killings etc. Banned in Canada, it is tasteless but the curious get it. I had a buddy show it but I was not really interested, most people would watch out of curiosity. I seen our school Janitor in grade 5, fall into the middle of the class from the glass skylight and die, a car in front of me get hit dead on at dusk in the outskirts, I was only one there 2 dead in front seat. X-girlfrend fall 14 stories accident drinking in highrise sitting on ledge, thats enough of death for me. Id rather see in in animation in the games.

I think the lawsuit would be because the next of kin didnt want it shown. Some day it will probabally however end up on Faces of Death trilogy. Sad deal for that guy.

[realdeal]

Actually Kirby, you make a really good point (for once in your life.. j/k

Had this poor guy NOT had a gun, he probably would NOT have killed himself .... as you said, he would have had time to think about it a bit and not have done it.


Now, with that said, I am a supporter of the NRA.

Point in case- I am 99% certain that the gun he use was not purchased legally. It is extremely difficult just to get a pistol permit in New York and a carry permit is almost impossible... so like the saying goes, ....if guns are outlawed.. only outlaws will have guns.


IF YOU ALL REALLY WANT THIS POST REMOVED, I WILL DO SO. PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

[Panzer]

Mustard are you kidding me? Give me a break...you must live a pretty sheltered life to think that shit is unacceptable. It's real life..deal with it. You should have known how bad it would be by Real describing it alone.

This post has been edited by Panzer: 04/13/04 12:21am

[Col. Mustard]

Panazer you didnt understand my post. it wasnt meant to be released to the public and it shouldnt be distributed like this. that is my concern. i understand that this happens all the time.

*Side Note*
the orginal name of the post was WARNING! GRAPHIC CONTENT. it was that until after i asked RD to change it to what it is now to give a more accurate descripition of the materail to be viewed. and i have already thanked him for changing it.

[Kirby]

It's funny, nothing against the USA, but when I lived in Windsor, the border town to Detroit (over bridge), I would go to US for parties etc friends in Redford Michigan. But I always felt uncomfortatable going over that bridge and through Detroit, because in Detroit guns are all over, and im going in with no protection. (only condom for party ). Coming back into Canada I felt more at ease, because of gun restrictions on our end. It's jail time over here for owning hand gun. I read either Japan or China, you can get death pentalty for illegal weapon. Now one of those countries had a death rate one year of 1 or 2 from a hand gun one year in 90's, because of strickness of law, which is almost unbelievable.

I worked on Windsor border for Customs Broker. We had a Canadian driver come in one day all upset. Some black fellow tried to rob him at Detroit Customs truck stop area. He got out of truck and threw tire-iron at this guy hitting him in back of head and killed him, this was about 1979. Police came, looked at situation, let driver go right away, too much paperwork to hold him and they told him robbings happen all the time there. So he killed the guy, he didnt mean to, it was obvious to police what the dead guy was doing, and let driver go back to Canada. Well that was 1979, imagine now what its like. Top suicide rate is still by gun, usually the owners gun as in Reals link.

Facts about Gun Violence in US.

[realdeal]

[Col. Mustard]

RD you missed my point as well. MY CONCERN IS THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE TAPE. it shouldnt be viewed for the curoisity of people. how would you feel if it was someone you knew or were good friends with? would you wanted it placed on the internet for everyone to see?

[realdeal]

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[Kirby]

Just a quick afterthought.... maybe pull the link here, and supply it on request only providing another link. It only takes one person to complain, and since showing the video could result in a legal problem on other sites. It may not be worth leaving it for all to see, some parents may pop in here protesting. I don't think you mob guys need that kind of flack.

[Druid]

WooHoo A debate on gun control.
I love it, I love, I LOVE IT!!!

Any site like the one Kirby linked to which shows how evil guns are when you view their statistics, misuse the facts in a weak attempt to justify their stance on gun control.
If your wondering what I mean by misuse the facts, I'll give you a few example from their site.
Kids and Gun Violence
FACT: In 2001, gun violence killed 2,937 American children and teens (ages 19 and under) in murders, suicides and unintentional shootings, an average of 8 young people each day in the U.S. While this is a welcome decrease of nearly 106 youth from 2000 data, it is still too many American young people killed with guns each year.
1) They claim this is about KIDS, but their stats include everyone under 20 years of age. I don't think most people would call a 19 year old a KID. They include KIDS over 18 because a disproportional amount fall into the 18-19 range when compared to those in the 12-17 year old range. They want this to be about KIDS but use adults in the stats to make the number more shocking.
2) They fail to mention in the stats they are so quick to quote also includes criminals killed by police nor do they remove from the stats those killed by a private citizen while legally defending their life and property.
3) A great example of the rhetoric on sites like this. They always try to spin their push for gun control as a way to protect the children. If they were really interested in protecting children and not just spinning stats to back their views, maybe they should ban backyard swimming pools. Think that sounds stupid? Well maybe you would be surprised more kids die from accidental drowning than all firearm related deaths put together.
Texas 2000 Mortality Stats, 126 accidental drownings compared to 21 accidental firearm related deaths
Or another way to look at it
The National Safety Council Report titled, What Are the Odds of Dying? for 1998 reveals that you are almost twice as likely to die from natural environmental factors (1,521 deaths), such as injuries caused by animals, plants or exposure to the elements than from an accidental gunshot (866 deaths). Think about it. The same report shows that you are more likely to choke to death on a piece of food (1,147 deaths) or die from falling down stairs (1,389 deaths) as to die from an errant bullet. You are four times more likely to die in a fire (3,255 deaths) or drown (3,964 deaths). The simple fact is that there are many things that we take for granted in life that are much more dangerous than guns. In 1998, there were 43,501 motor vehicle deaths, 10,255 poisoning deaths, 3,228 deaths from complications or misadventures of surgical or medical care and 16,274 total falling deaths - maybe we should ban ladders.


Guns are used for self-defense as many as 2.5 Million times every year.

• A 1979 Carter Justice Department study found that of more than 32,000 attempted rapes, 32% were actually committed. That number dropped to only 3% when the woman was armed. That means that a woman carrying a gun is more than 10 times less likely to be raped than an unarmed woman.
• This means that guns are used at least 60 times more often to protect the lives of law-abiding citizens than to take a life.
• In the vast majority of those self-defense cases, the citizen will only brandish the gun or fire a warning shot.

And most importantly.
The Police can't protect you
No offense to anyone in law enforcement but the facts speak for themselves.
Of the roughly 700,000 combined full time law enforcement officers in the U.S., only about 150,000 are on duty on the streets at any given moment to protect a population of over 250 million. That means that there is one policeman to protect almost 1700 civilians. They can't be everywhere at once.
When you think about it, the actual job of the police is not to prevent crime, but to investigate crime, catch the perpetrator and bring the perpetrator to court - ALL after the fact.

I thought it was only fair to add:
I support a one week waiting period to buy a firearm. If you can't think ahead about something as serious as owning a firearm, you probably shouldn't own one.
I highly support training and testing required to buy a firearm, much like what is required to apply for a hunting permit. It amazes me how people are required to show they are able to safely drive a car but not safely use a firearm.