This is a video of a suicide. It happened recently in NY and is true. The girl just broke up with her boyfriend and he was apparently upset about it. The video can be viewed

EDITED ******LINK REMOVED******* - if you want the link, PM me and I may send it to you.


IF you don't beleive it's true you can ready the story

HERE

The man's mother is suing the city for leaking the tape.

i think this topic should be removed. if the website that orginally had it was asked to remove it and RD should have to as well or face the same consequences that the website is for distributing it. that tape was never meant to be viewed by the public. i also think that there should be some sort of an extent as to what content is posted on this site. you have to remember that not everyone that comes here is an adult. children come here as well.

Thank you for your opinion Col Mustard, wus.

Since the site is paid for by me and registered in my name, I accept full responsibility for the content.

then the title should say GRAPHIC VIOLENCE. graphic content could mean several things.

IMO, the video below is worse!!! But in all seriousness, if this is offending to people let me know and I will remove it or move it to the members only forums.

http://www.mobclan.com/forums/upload/index...?showtopic=3291

Well its a good argument for gun control. Had he not had the hand gun, he would had went for a walk got upset, but at least had time to think and likely disguard the idea. With a gun that handy and 22 years old, and distraught, this is what happens. Over this side of the border (Canada) the law is pretty strict when coming especially to hand guns. Even now with hunting rifles, 22's etc, you have to have a FAC and they clamped down on that big time. US wise its so out of hand I doubt it will ever be effectively controlled.

As for posting? Well lesson above. I would not keep it up too long myself, but you can go to amazon.com and purchase Faces of Death - 1978, and its many followers legally in the US. Basically it shows different up close deaths, killings etc. Banned in Canada, it is tasteless but the curious get it. I had a buddy show it but I was not really interested, most people would watch out of curiosity. I seen our school Janitor in grade 5, fall into the middle of the class from the glass skylight and die, a car in front of me get hit dead on at dusk in the outskirts, I was only one there 2 dead in front seat. X-girlfrend fall 14 stories accident drinking in highrise sitting on ledge, thats enough of death for me. Id rather see in in animation in the games.

I think the lawsuit would be because the next of kin didnt want it shown. Some day it will probabally however end up on Faces of Death trilogy. Sad deal for that guy.

Actually Kirby, you make a really good point (for once in your life.. j/k

Had this poor guy NOT had a gun, he probably would NOT have killed himself .... as you said, he would have had time to think about it a bit and not have done it.


Now, with that said, I am a supporter of the NRA.

Point in case- I am 99% certain that the gun he use was not purchased legally. It is extremely difficult just to get a pistol permit in New York and a carry permit is almost impossible... so like the saying goes, ....if guns are outlawed.. only outlaws will have guns.


IF YOU ALL REALLY WANT THIS POST REMOVED, I WILL DO SO. PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

Mustard are you kidding me? Give me a break...you must live a pretty sheltered life to think that shit is unacceptable. It's real life..deal with it. You should have known how bad it would be by Real describing it alone.

Panazer you didnt understand my post. it wasnt meant to be released to the public and it shouldnt be distributed like this. that is my concern. i understand that this happens all the time.

*Side Note*
the orginal name of the post was WARNING! GRAPHIC CONTENT. it was that until after i asked RD to change it to what it is now to give a more accurate descripition of the materail to be viewed. and i have already thanked him for changing it.

It's funny, nothing against the USA, but when I lived in Windsor, the border town to Detroit (over bridge), I would go to US for parties etc friends in Redford Michigan. But I always felt uncomfortatable going over that bridge and through Detroit, because in Detroit guns are all over, and im going in with no protection. (only condom for party ). Coming back into Canada I felt more at ease, because of gun restrictions on our end. It's jail time over here for owning hand gun. I read either Japan or China, you can get death pentalty for illegal weapon. Now one of those countries had a death rate one year of 1 or 2 from a hand gun one year in 90's, because of strickness of law, which is almost unbelievable.

I worked on Windsor border for Customs Broker. We had a Canadian driver come in one day all upset. Some black fellow tried to rob him at Detroit Customs truck stop area. He got out of truck and threw tire-iron at this guy hitting him in back of head and killed him, this was about 1979. Police came, looked at situation, let driver go right away, too much paperwork to hold him and they told him robbings happen all the time there. So he killed the guy, he didnt mean to, it was obvious to police what the dead guy was doing, and let driver go back to Canada. Well that was 1979, imagine now what its like. Top suicide rate is still by gun, usually the owners gun as in Reals link.

Facts about Gun Violence in US.

RD you missed my point as well. MY CONCERN IS THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE TAPE. it shouldnt be viewed for the curoisity of people. how would you feel if it was someone you knew or were good friends with? would you wanted it placed on the internet for everyone to see?

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Just a quick afterthought.... maybe pull the link here, and supply it on request only providing another link. It only takes one person to complain, and since showing the video could result in a legal problem on other sites. It may not be worth leaving it for all to see, some parents may pop in here protesting. I don't think you mob guys need that kind of flack.

WooHoo A debate on gun control.
I love it, I love, I LOVE IT!!!

Any site like the one Kirby linked to which shows how evil guns are when you view their statistics, misuse the facts in a weak attempt to justify their stance on gun control.
If your wondering what I mean by misuse the facts, I'll give you a few example from their site.
Kids and Gun Violence
FACT: In 2001, gun violence killed 2,937 American children and teens (ages 19 and under) in murders, suicides and unintentional shootings, an average of 8 young people each day in the U.S. While this is a welcome decrease of nearly 106 youth from 2000 data, it is still too many American young people killed with guns each year.
1) They claim this is about KIDS, but their stats include everyone under 20 years of age. I don't think most people would call a 19 year old a KID. They include KIDS over 18 because a disproportional amount fall into the 18-19 range when compared to those in the 12-17 year old range. They want this to be about KIDS but use adults in the stats to make the number more shocking.
2) They fail to mention in the stats they are so quick to quote also includes criminals killed by police nor do they remove from the stats those killed by a private citizen while legally defending their life and property.
3) A great example of the rhetoric on sites like this. They always try to spin their push for gun control as a way to protect the children. If they were really interested in protecting children and not just spinning stats to back their views, maybe they should ban backyard swimming pools. Think that sounds stupid? Well maybe you would be surprised more kids die from accidental drowning than all firearm related deaths put together.
Texas 2000 Mortality Stats, 126 accidental drownings compared to 21 accidental firearm related deaths
Or another way to look at it
The National Safety Council Report titled, What Are the Odds of Dying? for 1998 reveals that you are almost twice as likely to die from natural environmental factors (1,521 deaths), such as injuries caused by animals, plants or exposure to the elements than from an accidental gunshot (866 deaths). Think about it. The same report shows that you are more likely to choke to death on a piece of food (1,147 deaths) or die from falling down stairs (1,389 deaths) as to die from an errant bullet. You are four times more likely to die in a fire (3,255 deaths) or drown (3,964 deaths). The simple fact is that there are many things that we take for granted in life that are much more dangerous than guns. In 1998, there were 43,501 motor vehicle deaths, 10,255 poisoning deaths, 3,228 deaths from complications or misadventures of surgical or medical care and 16,274 total falling deaths - maybe we should ban ladders.


Guns are used for self-defense as many as 2.5 Million times every year.

• A 1979 Carter Justice Department study found that of more than 32,000 attempted rapes, 32% were actually committed. That number dropped to only 3% when the woman was armed. That means that a woman carrying a gun is more than 10 times less likely to be raped than an unarmed woman.
• This means that guns are used at least 60 times more often to protect the lives of law-abiding citizens than to take a life.
• In the vast majority of those self-defense cases, the citizen will only brandish the gun or fire a warning shot.

And most importantly.
The Police can't protect you
No offense to anyone in law enforcement but the facts speak for themselves.
Of the roughly 700,000 combined full time law enforcement officers in the U.S., only about 150,000 are on duty on the streets at any given moment to protect a population of over 250 million. That means that there is one policeman to protect almost 1700 civilians. They can't be everywhere at once.
When you think about it, the actual job of the police is not to prevent crime, but to investigate crime, catch the perpetrator and bring the perpetrator to court - ALL after the fact.

I thought it was only fair to add:
I support a one week waiting period to buy a firearm. If you can't think ahead about something as serious as owning a firearm, you probably shouldn't own one.
I highly support training and testing required to buy a firearm, much like what is required to apply for a hunting permit. It amazes me how people are required to show they are able to safely drive a car but not safely use a firearm.

I highly doubt you will find anyone in L.A. during a riot who wasn't happy they had a gun to protect themselves. People live with the false notion, they are always safe because most of the time we live in a fairly civilized society. To many people forget, there are times when society breaks down for several different reasons.
5 years ago a tornado pretty much wiped out a suburb town south of where I live.
In the days following the tornado, there was rampant looting of undamaged houses around the storm damage area because people left do to a lack of water and electricity. A friend of mine who runs a meat smoking business on the side had to hookup a generator to power his freezers with $1000's worth of meat in them. He had no choice but run the power line through his back door, making it impossible to lock his place up. He or a friend stayed there around the clock for 3 days to protect his house from looters. During the first 2 days, he turned away 6 people at gunpoint who happily tried to stroll into his house thinking no one was there. On day 3 he got feed up and put up signs in his front and back yard saying "I will defend what is mine. I will shoot to KILL the next looter on sight."
He didn't have a single problem after that.

Well, I live in the South Guns down here are as common as cotton. I mean come on people this is the 21st century. That cat had what loooked like a glock. Ok, like RD said he probably illegally purchased the gun.

Remember something yall a gun just wont load it self, cock itself and go on a rampage. a gun needs one key factor...a human who has a mind and can make choices.

SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL NRA!

Ow goodie I started a debate? Actually I just put up a quick link to show comparisons of countries showing less die with more strict control over weapons. Lets get real, you dont neek a AK47 to go hunting with, unless your heading to the postoffice hehe. If I lived in the USA, where there is no effective gun control, I would likely have one myself. I had 3 guns when I was a teenager, just for target shooting. But when they clamped down on rifles and I had to get them registered I sold them all once I relocated to the city. The fact is that in the US, there are so many around no control advocate can make any difference. You have to go with the flow. Over here like I said different matter, so you dont need any weapons.

I live on the border, and there are a lot of Americans retireing over this way buying homes. Sure your money is worth more, but if you talk to some of these guys they say they like it over this way. The crime rate in this area is near nil so you dont have to guess why. I know thats the case too however with some areas in the US, outside of the citys. More people in one area more crime. Main crime over this way near by is in Toronto. The highest percentage of that is caused by Immigration not effectively doing background checks before allowing citizenship to new people settling in Canada from other countries.

Statistics wise I beleive has to be based on the culture of the country and population. We can't compare China with the USA. Your a king if you own a bicycle in China, let alone a gun. Japans culture is totally different than ours or the US. There primary focus seems to be education. I don't think we can compare those countries with low gun death rates to our western civilization and standard of living.

Canada has a population of over 30 thousand, while the USA has almost 300 million now, but we have about the same land mass. So of course Canada is going to have more effect over gun control. I believe in the USA state to state regulations on guns are different while here it is the same. That makes a difference also.

KIRBY A GUN CONTROL ADVOCATE IN CANADA ? Yep I sure am, but thats in Canada. I agree on strict regulations for owning a gun in Canada. There is no need for every home to have a weapon to protect its owners here. WHY ? I can say that in 4 words, words that do not apply in the USA.... " It's not too late " Canada nipped the problem in the butt before it became a major problem. If you come across the border into Canada, one of the first things Customs ask is " are you bringing in a firearm?" But if you go from Canada to the USA, you usually don't get asked that question. If you come into Canada with a firearm, Customs will hold it for you at the border until you return to your country. If you lie, you do not pass go and you do not collect $200.00, basically off to jail or you are deported with a record and likely you will not be able to come back into Canada anylonger.

KIRBY A GUN CONTROL ADVOCATE IN USA ? No way, Real if I lived in the USA, Heston would be my hero. I beleive he is totally right. Why? It is too late for the USA to change its ways. Why? You's follow your grandpappys outlook way back in the 1800's "The right to bare arms etc" well thats fine when there were Indians out in them woods. Problem is you carried old ideals into the 20th century and now its caught up to yous with the point of no return. Its so breed into your culture nothing is going to change it. And if I were living there I would have one big fine gun rack with AK47 way down the line. To tell you the truth I sill love weapons, for the sport of it.

Hell all I had to do in Windsor was drive over that bridge to Detroit, go under it to the Exxon gas station and ask the guy with the Malcom X hat for pretty well any weapon I wanted. But if I were caught coming back with it, was not worth the hassle but yes I do like weapons and if your responsible, you should be able to own a weapon. I am referring not to assault weapons or handguns here, just target rifles, or technical term in Customs book, long guns. Totally different set of rules with long guns as apposed to hand guns. When I got my gas in Detroit after midnight shift (your gas was cheaper) the attendent would come out with baseball bat at times because there was always some black dude hanging in the back trying to sell gold chains to us big dumb Canadians walking up to the car. They were fake of course. But it was just a precaution I guess. Of couse you can't compare Detroit with other citys in USA, it had a class all its own. But when I went back over that bridge it was a totally different environment.

Statistic wise, dont know there Druid. Would they really bother to mislead statistics without favor? I would think they would do it the other way around and tone down any gun problems, that would make you think it was less of a problem then it would appear to promote tourism etc from other countries.

Anyway, other statistics, drownings etc. Again based on culture. I would think a good portion is from pool accidents. Riots? and disasters? Well I would say the homeowner here would be standing outside with Mr. Baseball bat not a gun. In the States, well yes it makes sense guys gonna stand with a gun.

Anyway in a nutshell, Gun control is out of control it seems in the US. Over here it never had a chance to reach that point. I agree with your USA philosophy and I would likely have one (depending where I lived of couse) in the US.

Druid your comments make sense on states below with breakdown. 19 year olds are not kids, there are guys over in Iraq that age. Maybe I should not had posted that link ay?

The greatest thing about canada, Weed laws.

Ow one last note, yes they do through background check on you here if you apply for a FAC form. Any criminal history, no soup for you and no FAC. The life style of today is in no comparrison to 100 years ago. Over here hand gun laws, long gun, etc are constantly becomeing more strict. No automatics such as AK's are involved in gun owning this way, also to obtain FAC you have to now take gun course sponsered by police showing precautions etc in owning and transporting weapon. yep even a updated permit to carry rifle unloaded in truck etc required for hunting. I didn't make the law up here, so no one pounce on kirby ok . Just remember I agree with the US laws as they stand and would be there standing beside Real shooting off my AK in the duck pond.


Quote from Regulations (cut and paste):

"The Bill C-17 requirement for FAC applicants to show knowledge of the safe handling of firearms came into force in 1994. To demonstrate knowledge, applicants had to pass the test for a firearms safety course approved by a provincial Attorney General, or a firearms officer had to certify that the applicant was competent in handling firearms safely. Bill C-17 added a requirement that safety courses had to cover firearms laws as well as safety
issues."

GUN CONTROL REGULATIONS IN CANADA - AND NON-CANADIAN IMPORTERS

Ow ya the petty crimes weed, just a cheaper form of getting higher than paying for booze, and not worth the time or money or jail terms they figure now . Did you know Canada regulates all beer, wine, spirts ? Ontario Breweries, no competition here. Government total control over all booze. You cant walk into a corner store for a bottle of wine, beer etc. All regulated... I think that is a major problem in USA to be able to get it on any street corner. You can't rob a liquor store here because there are none. They are all gov't run.

last week they banned baby walkers in Canada, no kidding. Cant be even sold second hand.

Canada bans baby walkers

if i can without upsetting anyone, i would like to state my thoughts. i grew up in a dangerious area of buffalo. we get 70-100 murders a year and the city is a major point in the drug trade. being a border city with canada and a direct link to flordia and nyc. i have been shot at 2 times in my life once i was at a red light and was cought in a drive by the second i was cought in a fire fight between cops and some punks. neither time did i feel safe. i own 2 guns 1 for target one for home defense.(12 gauge) when i lived there the police somtimes wouldnt come. due to lack of officers, lazyness and somtimes fear. when they did come they came in force. bollds and crips are rampant, along with others. i feel safe and if i had to ever use my firearm in defense i would hope i would be right. but when the police take to long or wont show, whos gonna stop a rape, murder? only once have i intervined in public insanity got jumped for stopping a rape. i have moved since then, but tell you what people respond to a machette(what i had at that time) bet they will haul ass to the mossburg.

p.s. anyone can buy a gunfrom a street corner no ncic. me and you have to go to the dealer and obey the laws. think they care if they violate the laws???? talk about getting !

"guns dont kill people people kill people"

Well I am right next to Buffalo across Lake Erie Canada side, and the crime situation is next to nothing here, and no murders, or gangs. Just shows the differance at border points to Buffalo and Detroit, I lived at both border points. No shootouts for police on this side of the lake, its mainly traffic tickets and them hanging out at Tim Hortons when not busy.

What I find most interesting about this whole gun control debacle is its parallels with many other issues in American society. I may be a teenager but I am not stupid nor blind to the fact that America is pretty fucked up in some areas- socially, economically, crime, pollution, religion, Government, etc., etc. Kirby you are right to say that gun control is no longer a valid option in America because we are too unwilling to relinquish outdated ideals and compromise. Much of American history as been a roller coaster ride with no brakes to halt detrimental activities and movements. Take the industrialization of America beginning with the raliroads in the 1870's and progressing into all industries by the 1890's- there were no serious environmental counter movements to halt the destruction then and still no revolutionary movenments to this day to solve things like the thinning of the ozone layer, smog, or nuclear waste. I may sound like a raging liberal but I'm not, I'm very moderate. Should people be able to own hand guns and hunting rifles-by all means. Should I be able to get a license for a ak-47 and cop killer hollow points- please. What is the use of that? You don't need hollow points to stop an intruder in your home, get a damn glock or beretta an duse regular bullets. Nor do you need an assault rifle to hunt deer (has anybody heard of comedian Tim Wilson from Atl.?). Am I a card carrying member of the NRA, no, but I don't feel I am in any position to tell others they can't own a beretta or winchester hunting shotgun. As has been said, people kill people, not guns. Just my 2c, Blak.

*That tape is old news anyways, its been out for a couple weeks I believe- I still have not had the slightest urge to see another human being take their own life.

After several emails I have received, one in particular concerning the children that may come here and see this video and get any stupid ideas, I have decided to pull the link to the suicide video.

If anyone wants it, PM me and I will see about sending you the link

you dont need cop killers to kill cops you may need them to stop the bad guys....see bank robbery in ca. bpv and full autos. cops never stood a chance. we dont need assulltriflesbut the constitution does say we have the right to protect our selves froman oppressive gov. will the gov. put down their howisters and mp5's and use a deerslayer and a 10 shot sig??? |||

I'm sorry but silver I think your argument is very naive. Yes two centuries ago there was a need for protection from the government but in my opinion in today's world it's no justification for owning assault weapons (many of which are favored by among others foreign militaries, terrorists, and gangs). There are other, less drastic, less volatile means of affecting change and protecting oneself in today's society. When was the last time a govt. howitzer was used against citizens of this country (yea, I thought so)? Keep a hunting rifle?- be my guest. Keep an AR-15?- no excuse in my eyes. You are correct in saying that you don't need hollow points to kill police officers but you state you do for intruders in your home or bank robbers with AK's (yes I know the incident of which you speak, a tragic but perfect example of why we don't need assault weapons on the street)? Are police somehow more vulnerable than a thug breaking into my house trying to rob me? Or do criminals have some super natural power I am not aware of? Simply put, hollow point bullets are labeled cop killers for a very self-evident reason (hmmm, i wonder). Gun control is a problem raging out of control but as Kirby stated and I asserted, it may too late.

So basically, we have a lot of vaginas who read the forums. Mustard you are weak minded in the fact that you believe a video will give people ideas. Come on!

I don't believe it's ever been insinuated that I am a pussy for not watching some one shoot himself. I apologize and correct me please Panzer if that was not directed at me.

i wasnt the one who said it gives people ideas.

God damn, Druid...I guess you do! You got my vote

Druid is spitting some fucking knowledge..

Hey Druid ((Shredder Shot gun shells )) Myth or fact?

LOL
I'm going to take a guess here and say Myth.
The only shredder shotgun I've ever heard of was in a game.
I do know there is a brand of wadcutters know as shredders but they are pistol ammo.

Interesting reading, I remember using hollow tips when I was a kid. They go in small explode on contact and rip a hole on the other end almost like a shotgun. That was only using a 22 cal also.

I think the most important bill was C-17 passed over this way, it affected what was imported in my work line also on additional restrictions. I recall a offer at the time that anyone owning un-registered weapons could walk into a police station and turn them in without question. It seemed to go over well for people owning old guns they wanted to get rid of.

This is a bit of reading cut and paste but it shows over this way that they do not restrict all weapons, but if you own for example a hand gun, you have to belong to a gun club, take courses etc. Bill C-17 sought to improve on the individuals knowledge of owning a weapon, and storeing it properly so kids etc could not access it. (ie) Handguns were to be locked and in storage in the home. No loaded weapons in the house etc. I know that would not go over well in US. Underlying idea I think to was fees. Handgun clubs, ammo etc, reg fees, could be expensive. They made it difficult to own such weapons. Here is a outline of that bill:


1991-1994
Bill C-17 was introduced. It passed in the House of Commons on November 7, received Senate approval and Royal Assent on December 5, 1991, then came into force between 1992 and 1994. Changes to the FAC system included requiring applicants to provide a photograph and two references; imposing a mandatory 28-day waiting period for an FAC; a mandatory requirement for safety training; and expanding the application form to provide more background information. Bill C-17 also required a more detailed screening check of FAC applicants.Some other major changes included: increased penalties for firearm-related crimes; new Criminal Code offences; new definitions for prohibited and restricted weapons; new regulations for firearms dealers; clearly defined regulations for the safe storage, handling and transportation of firearms; and a requirement that firearm regulations be drafted for review by Parliamentary committee before being made by Governor-in-Council. A major focus of the new legislation was the need for controls on military, para-military and high-firepower guns. New controls in this area included the prohibition of large-capacity cartridge magazines for automatic and semi-automatic firearms, the prohibition of automatic firearms that had been converted to avoid the 1978 prohibition (existing owners were exempted); and a series of Orders-in-Council prohibiting or restricting most ara-military rifles and some types of non-sporting ammunition. The Bill C-17 requirement for FAC applicants to show knowledge of the safe handling of firearms came into force in 1994. To demonstrate knowledge, applicants had to pass the test for a firearms safety course approved by a provincial Attorney General, or a firearms officer had to certify that the applicant was competent in handling firearms safely. Bill C-17 added a requirement that safety courses had to cover firearms laws as well as safety issues. After the 1993 federal election, the new Government indicated its intention to proceed with further controls, including some form of licensing and registration system that would apply to all firearms and their owners. Provincial and Federal officials met several times between January and July to define issues relating to universal licensing and registration proposals. Between August 1994 and February 1995, policy options were defined for a new firearms control scheme, and new legislation was drafted.

I would assume requirements such as this bill outlined would have been to costly in the US. The Bill also effected all provinces over here. Certain restrictions were made for aboriginals (who lived off the land in the nook of the north )

naive? ok...in suburbia the police respond instantly. no need for a firearm basicly granny across the street will phone the police to the guy robbing your house. gotta love neighbors. but...i was not speaking of what has happened no the us gov. will prob never come to arms against our people. no a howister has never been used aginst our people but it has been in iraq . in isreal anyone can sign out a assultt weapon from the militery. wonder why they dont have people going postal? there shot dead with in a few seconds. shure they have homicide bombers but thats next for the american people. some asshole detonating himself or herself in the local mall in the santa line. in this game you play with weapons some of you actually own one or two. you shoot the gun in one of three postions standing kneeling or prone. you clam your self and try to feel for you heart rythem so you can control it and control your breathing so your shot is dead through the 10 spot. in the heat of the moment and you have somone in your home your heat is racing your half way hyperventaliting and the fight or flight syndrome is up. you have no choice protect your family and your self or die. the only reason someone will break into your home while you are there is to get you! robbers dont want you to know they are there and want you to be gone. think im full of shit? ask anycop. you want to see how good of a shot your really gonna be in that time run a few blocks or a mile then try and shoot. out of breath and trying like hell to control your self is not possible. now you need to take more then 1 shot. did you know that in the heat of passion people have been knowento empty whole clips at each other 8 feet away any not hit each other . i believe that was a fbi agent aerving an arrest warrent. yeah i know ive lived in suburbia for roughly ten years but let me tell you i can tell you from perrsonal experience that the dope boys and the guys are not law abiding dont give a shit weither there gun is legal hell it better not be that means it can be traced back to them. you can get a gun on any street corner in america. just loke pot. or tree what ever you want to call it. (god bless canada!) oh and the only valid argument for a full auto is that we have the right to protect our selves from our gov. when it comes to arms we should have the right to own what they own. if its our right yopu should be able to even the odds and yes i know that it was written years ago when they had black powder rifles but whats changed since then have we became a better people? have people really changed has murder stoppd has poverrty been prevented? nope just technology. guns got better. we have the right to protect our elves form an oppressive gov. not deer, not woodchucks and birds. but people. thats what fire arms are made for to kill people. thats what i said to the dealer whenb i bought my shotgun i need some thing to kill somone with that breaking into my home and going to due me harm. naieve is somone that dont understand this there gonna be

LOL Kirby.

SHredder shells were supposedly explosive shot gun shells that spit out flechets kinda like a clay more mine just smaller.

With all of this talk about bills & laws I feel I should throw in this in to explain to some of you younger ones who found the video offensive

LOL

my god its been years since i saw that!!!!

Druid I am truly humbled lol, thank you. Yes, I realized I had spoken wrong about "cop-killers" before I even saw your post. Silver you totally baffled me with that long response about the granny and running and shooting and so forth. I do have one question however- Silver did you mean the only valid reason to own a fully automatic weapon is to protect yourself from the govt., to "level the playing field" so to speak. According to Druid fully automatic weapons have been outlawed for 70 years (Druid is this stemming from the lawlessness of the 20's?, just wondering), so are you gonna go to your street corner in suburbia and pick up an illegal weapon to ward off the unwanteds. Or are you going farther and saying the govt. is sheisting the American people because they have the ability to wage war and we do not? Bah, I'm a terrible debater lol.

question#1-

having a talk like this in this type of enviroment baffles me. you play a violent game and seem like the weapons you play with on the game would bothr you in real life...