Toronto terror 'plot'... 6pak - comments?, Large terror cell recently busted Options

[Hellfighter]

Apparently a London terror style plot targeting various Toronto/Ontario objectives was foiled. No time to comment in depth on it myself.
Perhaps 6pak [with her regional/work experience] can add some of her thoughts on the topic?

[Wotansvolk]

Hey M.Stickman, you're a lot on "freesociety" stuff but always remember the freedom of one stops where the freedom of others start. Now you're saying that if many people need to pray 5 times a day we should provide them a place in our school for them to pray? Since i was a kid their always been crucifix in classroom, for catholic it's a kind of way to "protect" the place and the people inside. How come in the last years we had to take out all the crucifix from the classroom for respect to other religious belief?

Another thing in France they have done what we are doing here, accept everybody, but they start doing it long before us....now they have freakin problems with arab and algerian, not every arab and algerian but a lot of them .They regroup in the "cité" wich are big appartment block and they make their laws there they don't want to work, ok yeah some of them want to work but those who don't want make them a bad reputation so now they can't ghet a job! And you've seen what happen last summer there with the riot and all that!! Don't ask yourself why France did'nt get involved in the Afghan and Iraq conflict there's too much of them living in France!!

I'm not saying stop immigration , i say let the good people in, people that want to invest here,people that have professional expertise....well people that can be a plus to our society and with the money you make with thios, put it in the family to push your citizen to make more babys.

As for the turban in work environement, i say if every average people need to dress all the same for that work well the sikh would need to take off is turban,it's not like is going to die!! I'll give you an exemple in montreal port trucks driver have to put a safety helmet when they are within the port, well truck driver with turban(there's a lot of them) cannot put the helmet on cause of the turban, if an accident happens what would the insurance do. There's law and you have to comply with it, in the '50' and 60's religion where making the laws here but not anymore.People need to wake up i'm freakin tired of radical belief in religion....even if you pray everyday ....you will die!! Religion have been created cause people were afraid of the unknown and religion give them a unrationnal reason to explain the unknown.God is dead my friend's.

Muslim leader are on a mission to convert the world to their religion...i'll try to find the article.I've seen on tv a couples of month ago, a broadcast in Africa they were talking about school that have been build there by catholic missionaries.....but now for every catholic school wich teach ,math,writting,reading...there's like 3 coranic school finance by arab millionaire....and you know what you learn in a coranic school?? Yeah you learn the Coran ......that's all kid have chain to their legs and get the whip if they don't study....that's how you raise people to become human bomb!!

I tell you i don't want to take the chance to have people like that in my country, i know that some muslim are pretty good person. But they will need to make a clean up in their own religion, call the police when a Iman is making speech of hate and violence the samthing with believer with that kind of thought...and will kick them out!!

The only thing i want to say is that you're never too carefull, we have to be pro-active not retro-active i don't want my governement to take decision once radical believer have bombed my country or beheaded my fellow citizen. I want them to act before that! That's were my freedom start and where the freedom of radical believer ends!!!

Never forget that everything theoric is uthopic, governement wheter it's Democratic,socialist,communism don't exist...you think you live in democracy...lololol So to say that we are a free country is false...ok we got more liberty than other country but you're not totally free. To say that we have to tolerate everybody and that we love them all, and that nothing bad will happen ....that's uthopia in french is "Pensée Magique" magical thinking eveybody is good and kind!! Bull Shit!!

[Hellfighter]

A]Hey M.Stickman, you're a lot on "freesociety" stuff but always remember the freedom of one stops where the freedom of others start. Now you're saying that if many people need to pray 5 times a day we should provide them a place in our school for them to pray? Since i was a kid their always been crucifix in classroom, for catholic it's a kind of way to "protect" the place and the people inside. How come in the last years we had to take out all the crucifix from the classroom for respect to other religious belief?

B] France did'nt get involved in the Afghan and Iraq conflict there's too much of them living in France!!

C]i say let the good people in, people that want to invest here,people that have professional expertise...

D]As for the turban in work environement, i say if every average people need to dress all the same for that work well the sikh would need to take off is turban,it's not like is going to die!!

E]Muslim leader are on a mission to convert the world to their religion...

Z]I tell you i don't want to take the chance to have people like that in my country, i know that some muslim are pretty good person. But they will need to make a clean up in their own religion, call the police when a Iman is making speech of hate and violence the samthing with believer with that kind of thought...and will kick them out!!

F]The only thing i want to say is that you're never too carefull, we have to be pro-active not retro-active i don't want my governement to take decision once radical believer have bombed my country or beheaded my fellow citizen. I want them to act before that! That's were my freedom start and where the freedom of radical believer ends!!!

G]Never forget that everything theoric is uthopic, governement wheter it's Democratic,socialist,communism don't exist...you think you live in democracy...lololol So to say that we are a free country is false...ok we got more liberty than other country but you're not totally free. To say that we have to tolerate everybody and that we love them all, and that nothing bad will happen ....that's uthopia in french is "Pensée Magique" magical thinking eveybody is good and kind!! Bull Shit!!

A]Regarding the classroom issue why are you saying its the Muslims doing... they made a demand for it from the local politicians... don't blame them if the local politicians give them the right and deny the right for crucifixes in a classroom... the Christian kids could demand a crucifix and bible thumping room!

B]What's "too many of them living in France"? It was ok when France drafted hundreds of thousands of North and West Africans to fight and die on French/European soil in WW1 and WW2 and various colonial Wars.

C]Unless your familiar with how immigration works there's no telling who IS good and who IS bad, let alone not knowing if they'll turn out to be bad apples later. The hard working middle class wanna-be immigrants have the hardest time of all getting let in unless sponsored. Just letting in Elite immigrants is plain cheesy and just asking to invite massive corruption.

D]Do you have a coronary seeing someone wearing a turban at work! Why do people need to take off everyday attire because it symbolises an association you've seemingly conjured up in your mind that panics you!? I had a teacher who was Sikh in England when I was 10. He was the humblest and 'coolest' teacher I and my chums remembered... just how he treated us like he was our uncle made him much loved -there was no fixations on turbans or mocking it. Personally I don't care if people want to go nuts in religion or cod or whatever as long as they aren't affecting my liberties. Folks believing in religion is more complex; I'll argue that rather than a fear of unknown [perhaps some born-agains fall in this category], more often than not religion is a learned habit.

E]Christianity is on the same mission too..... If you mean Islamic extremists, that's a different picture than a typical Muslim leader wishing to spread Islam. I have alot of Muslim friends and they pray but otherwise joke and worry the same as my non-muslim friends, and the muslim gals I know are educated, and many are wild+sexy [ok, so you can't see them in mini-skirts but gorgeous still] and ... the picture you paint of them as a massive generation of ticking time-bombs is wildly distorted. That's not the majority -which you know since you live in Montreal.

Z] I agree...

F]Where I disagree with you is you seemingly wanting to blow away entire nations to get a minority of psycopaths. That would include taking out families and friends of my peace loving Muslim friends I have in Canada that detest extremists / aka psycopaths that are bringing grief and destruction to their lands, not to mention their attempt to wipe out the Iraqi police recruits valiantly risking it all to bring some kind of stability in their ravaged country. So as you can see I'm not one to let somewhat inciteful commentary go unchallenged if it involves merging innocents with whackos along the lines of 'guilt by association'.

G]Democracy is what it is... everyone in it knows it's not perfect but its the 'best' system permitting liberties. A system with total liberties would likely resemble Anarchy! What Canada is doing generally seems to be is like when stepping in something squishy we look at what was stepped in and wipe it off in a rational manner rather than liking the feeling of it and dancing around in it mindlessly.


This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 06/19/06 2:24am

[Wotansvolk]

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[quote/] [color=#FFFF66]A]Regarding the classroom issue why are you saying its the Muslims doing... they made a demand for it from the local politicians... don't blame them if the local politicians give them the right and deny the right for crucifixes in a classroom... the Christian kids could demand a crucifix and bible thumping room!

B]What's "too many of them living in France"? It was ok when France drafted hundreds of thousands of North and West Africans to fight and die on French/European soil in WW1 and WW2 and various colonial Wars.

C]Unless your familiar with how immigration works there's no telling who IS good and who IS bad, let alone not knowing if they'll turn out to be bad apples later. The hard working middle class wanna-be immigrants have the hardest time of all getting let in unless sponsored. Just letting in Elite immigrants is plain cheesy and just asking to invite massive corruption.

D]Do you have a coronary seeing someone wearing a turban at work! Why do people need to take off everyday attire because it symbolises an association you've seemingly conjured up in your mind that panics you!? I had a teacher who was Sikh in England when I was 10. He was the humblest and 'coolest' teacher I and my chums remembered... just how he treated us like he was our uncle made him much loved -there was no fixations on turbans or mocking it. Personally I don't care if people want to go nuts in religion or cod or whatever as long as they aren't affecting my liberties. Folks believing in religion is more complex; I'll argue that rather than a fear of unknown [perhaps some born-agains fall in this category], more often than not religion is a learned habit.

E]Christianity is on the same mission too..... If you mean Islamic extremists, that's a different picture than a typical Muslim leader wishing to spread Islam. I have alot of Muslim friends and they pray but otherwise joke and worry the same as my non-muslim friends, and the muslim gals I know are educated, and many are wild+sexy [ok, so you can't see them in mini-skirts but gorgeous still] and ... the picture you paint of them as a massive generation of ticking time-bombs is wildly distorted. That's not the majority -which you know since you live in Montreal.

Z] I agree...

F]Where I disagree with you is you seemingly wanting to blow away entire nations to get a minority of psycopaths. That would include taking out families and friends of my peace loving Muslim friends I have in Canada that detest extremists / aka psycopaths that are bringing grief and destruction to their lands, not to mention their attempt to wipe out the Iraqi police recruits valiantly risking it all to bring some kind of stability in their ravaged country. So as you can see I'm not one to let somewhat inciteful commentary go unchallenged if it involves merging innocents with whackos along the lines of 'guilt by association'.

G]Democracy is what it is... everyone in it knows it's not perfect but its the 'best' system permitting liberties. A system with total liberties would likely resemble Anarchy! What Canada is doing generally seems to be is like when stepping in something squishy we look at what was stepped in and wipe it off in a rational manner rather than liking the feeling of it and dancing around in it mindlessly.
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I like having good discussion like that chummy Hellfighter and your a pro at quoting!!lol

1st: I don't blame the muslim for taking out the crucifix from classroom i know it have nothing to do with them all i am saying is that we have taken out our religion from the school but we are bringing another religion in those same school!|

2nd: I have nothing against people wearing turban i'm saying in the port what would happen if one of them got it on the head by something....what will happen with insurance will they get a favor treatment?

Ok for point B i don't know enough about that history ...but what i know is that they have a lot of problem with arab and algerian!

3rd: Yeah christian were doing the same thing years ago! As for the time bomb kids it's in africa you should have seen that broadcast it was crazy it's total brainwashing!

I'll continue later have to get back to work i'll try to find that broadcast for you!
C ya buddy!!



This post has been edited by Wotansvolk: 06/19/06 8:51am