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post 10/29/06 1:23pm
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What's the win ratio on Barb now-in-days. I bet Russian out-wins German 2-1 at this point. With all pak shots know, and Russkies having far more, the map has become unbalanced IMO, but would like to know real stats. Are there any?





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post 10/30/06 11:36am
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I like the PPsh more than the MP44. Thats why I use Russian. I can use the german heavies to hit any Russian base just as easily using the pak on the Russian side. The reason Russian team wins more is because most of the talented players go on that team. Its not cause the map has a fault. You can say that with a German push on Russian 3 from the Russian 1 side can not be stopped if your using all the German Heavies and Stug. German Tanks are much better than the Russian tanks and Russians have very little help with that kind of rush. Just takes talented players to get together and do it all at once.

The bottom line is that its where the talented players are, not the map in general.


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post 10/30/06 7:23pm
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QUOTE(Nothing @ 10/30/06 12:36pm) *
I like the PPsh more than the MP44. Thats why I use Russian. I can use the german heavies to hit any Russian base just as easily using the pak on the Russian side. The reason Russian team wins more is because most of the talented players go on that team. Its not cause the map has a fault. You can say that with a German push on Russian 3 from the Russian 1 side can not be stopped if your using all the German Heavies and Stug. German Tanks are much better than the Russian tanks and Russians have very little help with that kind of rush. Just takes talented players to get together and do it all at once.

The bottom line is that its where the talented players are, not the map in general.




I disagree. The imbalance is less about blowing the tops off bases, but covering the plants. Two Russian paks can hit G3, and those 2 paks CANNOT be hit by any German pak. The middle Russian Pak can also cover a plant on G2 or G1. Once again, no German pak can hit it.



On the other hand, Germans can only hit R2 and R3 with their one middle pak, and Russian can counter that with a shot from either their middle or rear Russian pak. Play Rommell or TBN, and they pak the German middle pak all game rendering it useless. Not picking on them, strategically it works, but the point is Germans have no counterbalance to the multipe pak capabilities of Russian. And it gets worse for German. Russian paks can blast into German main spawn. They can be used to kill the gunner on the G3 pak, and that's from the very safe home base pak. I use that one all the time.



One the other balance issues, Germans have the better, more versitile tanks. However, the Russian heavy is the best "defender" tank in the KV1, and I think the T76 is the best tank overall, even with the static gun. And the Germans have one big exploit. That is, their main tank spawn that can be overtaken and held so easily for a long time. Russians have no such vunerability since their tanks are spread out better and spawn area is protected by trees. Well, I don't have to tell you...everyone knows a strategy against Germans is taking over their spawn.



If German paks could return fire on the Russian paks, I'd say it was balanced. But with Russian paks being able to brutalize German paks and all their bases, and all us long time players knowing what does what now...well...



I wrote this because my soundcard is messed and since I'm not on vent, I've been autoassigning a lot lately. Well, that means being on German a lot, and it's frustrating. I consider it a victory just to tie.



Anyway, when I get back on Vent, I'll probably be teamming up more with Vent guys, and that means Russian usually, but I'll feel a little for those poor German bastards. They have little hope against a good team.



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M@ster of Dis@ster   Barb balance???   10/29/06 1:23pm
Cpt.Canuck   Surely those VSP stats have that recorded somewher...   10/29/06 2:44pm
T/A6Pak   It's because the majority of the pro's lik...   10/29/06 3:19pm
Meowman   It's because the majority of the pro's li...   10/29/06 3:36pm
M@ster of Dis@ster   It's because the majority of the pro's li...   10/29/06 4:11pm
Rommel   Hi MoD. I agreed that the Russian team take advant...   10/30/06 4:03am
The-Blind-Norwegian   Hi MoD. I agreed that the Russian team take advan...   10/30/06 5:15am
Rommel   Hi MoD. I agreed that the Russian team take adva...   10/30/06 7:19am
HammaTime   The exact same issue comes up with Italy on the St...   10/30/06 8:35am
Nothing   I like the PPsh more than the MP44. Thats why I u...   10/30/06 11:36am
M@ster of Dis@ster   I like the PPsh more than the MP44. Thats why I u...   10/30/06 7:23pm
Rommel   I like the PPsh more than the MP44. Thats why I ...   10/31/06 4:12am
Spectre   Guys win Barbarossa first started up the Germans o...   10/30/06 10:30pm
Blinky   This has been more likely the result on Barb nowad...   10/31/06 8:36am
The-Blind-Norwegian   :D Notice anything special on ss?? ;) : Hatc...   10/31/06 9:09am
Nothing   MOD, I think your wrong. You can use any tank at...   10/31/06 12:29pm
M@ster of Dis@ster   MOD, I think your wrong. You can use any tank at...   10/31/06 10:01pm
Rommel   MOD, I think your wrong. You can use any tank a...   11/01/06 3:48am
The-Blind-Norwegian   [quote name='Nothing' post='129578...   11/01/06 4:02am
MyWifesMule   Blinky, I don't know what ss means but did not...   10/31/06 12:31pm
Nothing   OMG Germans have no points/kills and Russians have...   10/31/06 12:37pm
Blinky   Blinky, I don't know what ss means but did no...   10/31/06 12:40pm
Lord Lipton   no, only hatchet came in somewhat late if i can re...   10/31/06 1:44pm
Nothing   no, only hatchet came in somewhat late if i can r...   10/31/06 2:31pm
Lord Lipton   i was second to my buddy m1 pollux. i think its th...   10/31/06 4:44pm
Assault trooperPolska   I agree that the ruskies seem to have advantage, f...   10/31/06 5:33pm
Hellfighter   Put me on a team -rusky or jerries-with 3 guys in ...   10/31/06 6:41pm
Meowman   Put me on a team -rusky or jerries-with 3 guys in...   10/31/06 7:13pm
Assault trooperPolska   Put me on a team -rusky or jerries-with 3 guys in...   10/31/06 9:16pm
Meowman   Put me on a team -rusky or jerries-with 3 guys i...   10/31/06 9:28pm
Cpt.Canuck   lol, Nothing have you ever played on the German si...   11/01/06 10:00am
Nothing   Hey MOD, That screenie you have shows some good p...   11/01/06 10:10am
M@ster of Dis@ster   Hey MOD, That screenie you have shows some good ...   11/01/06 2:25pm
Angus Thermopyle   Finally, we were all n00bs once, so I'm gett...   11/03/06 9:14am
majorhavoc   Finally, we were all n00bs once, so I'm get...   11/03/06 1:33pm
Angus Thermopyle   [quote name='Angus Thermopyle' post='129846' date...   11/03/06 1:48pm
Hellfighter   ... I agree, but noobs can at least listen to pl...   11/10/06 9:36am
majorhavoc   Problem with that series of games (I came in at...   11/01/06 10:33am
Nothing   Hey Major, I completely agree. I get so pissed w...   11/01/06 11:00am
Nothing   You would have to have a couple binds together. O...   11/03/06 5:48pm
Canadian Viper   I have to agree that the paks on the russin side r...   11/03/06 6:41pm
Spectre   Lately the mob guys have started to switch to germ...   11/10/06 10:04am
Lord Lipton   if your quick you can beat the ppsh sprayers (whic...   11/10/06 10:20am
M@ster of Dis@ster   You should aim down the barrel with a PPSH. It put...   11/10/06 11:24am
Lord Lipton   You should aim down the barrel with a PPSH. It pu...   11/10/06 11:29am
Nothing   Thats why I hit G3 with the Russian heavy next to ...   11/10/06 11:54am
Lord Lipton   yes, if i ever have a satchel thats of course what...   11/10/06 12:11pm


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