You cant help a feeling #2, Are our borders safe? You decide!! Options

[THE Mechanic]

I know Pesking ,Master of disaster,and Genoside Junkie just love new debates so here you go guys and tell us how you really feel.Let the fur fly..LOL...And there off..

"The Mechanic"

Uniformed Mexican Force
Invades Arizona


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ALERT: Remember the incursion into U.S. territory last week by Mexican gunmen that we emailed you about?
It appears that it was NOT a "chance confrontation" between the Arizona National Guard and untrained illegal immigrants, but a deliberate "perimeter probe" by an infantry-trained, uniformed Mexican force, according to a just-released online report.

The Euphoric Reality blog has learned in exclusive interviews with high-ranking sources within both the Arizona National Guard and the U.S. Border Patrol that the incident the mainstream media calls a "standoff" was in reality a military-style operation, carried out by a unit of Mexican troops dressed in military uniforms, flak jackets, and armed with AK-47s in an apparent operation to probe the border defenses and test the limits of the National Guard troops. Using easily recognizable infantry movement tactics (such as arm and hand signals and flanking maneuvers), the Mexican unit deliberately moved in a military formation across the border from Mexico, while under surveillance by the National Guard and Border Patrol.

WHY ISN'T THIS PAGE ONE NEWS ACROSS AMERICA???

You can be sure of this: the new Democrat-led Congress isn't going to do anything about this. In fact, it already looks like they're ready to refuse to fund the border fence Congress voted to build -- and President Bush signed into law -- last year!

SOMEONE needs to do something -- and now, someone IS: the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps is building a REAL border fence along the U.S.-Mexico border!

The Minuteman Border Fence is an extension of the citizens' border security group Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. It was created to put steel in the ground and to demonstrate the feasibility of securing the border by building fencing as a part of the Minuteman Movement, the grassroots initiative that seeks to secure America's sovereign territory against incursion, invasion, and terrorism.

As we can see AGAIN from this news story, the United States is under siege by forces and interests that have the capacity, over time, to destroy our great experiment of responsible self-government.

Members of the MCDC are organizing as citizen volunteers, to safeguard our beloved nation from violence, from sedition, from wholesale attack by those who do not love America and wish to see her destroyed or irremediably altered from a nation of liberty, equality, and justice, and a bastion of western civilization. The Minutemen are recruiting and training volunteer citizens who will stand as patriots for the promise that is, and ever has been, America to build a border fence.

If you are concerned about the chaos upon our broken borders, if you believe America should welcome legal immigration but reject colonization and Balkanization, then we need to join together to help the Minutemen secure the future of our nation for the American people and her posterity.

And a GREAT start is to build a REAL border fence along the Mexican border... to help STOP the "incursions" like this latest one in Arizona!

TAKE ACTION: The new Congress will likely succeed at undoing federal plans to build 700 miles of fence, leaving the Minuteman Border Fence the only real barrier being built. It is therefore imperative that the people of the United States support and build the Minuteman Border Fence themselves -- until this government gets the message and is forced to do its job and fully and competently secure our national border.

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[Hellfighter]

hey MoD
Actually there are newly constructed fences up at certain points along the border and from what they're observing, the method does deter illegal crossings- at those points.

hi again Junkie
As to laying the blame at Bush's feet-that's incorrect. My point is regarding border security in general-NOT about putting up fences as the 'be-all,end-all solution' which the congress wouldn't go for exclusively for their own agendas/reasons-The funding requested for effective border security in general I ranges from $2-20 billion. Some are saying the war in Iraq may end up costing $1-2 trillion. So why Bush is defying; the general consesus of his Generals [who he said he'd listen to and base his own decisions on that]; and many Republican in the Senat and Congress at home; and the vast majority of Americans [repubs and dems]; and the results of the November elections implying a preference for a pull-out strategy; and ignoring the Taliban resurgence in Afghanistan; Why. oh why is he doing a 'Surge'- he did it before and it didn't work- I hope it does work, but the odds are it won't mean a thing in the end- violence will continue as always there until the Iraqis summon enough willpower to work together. The surge will cost soldiers lives needlessly...... and yes MISDIRECTION of financial resources- Bush can put up a better case to spend money on a secure border at home - not just fences.

This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 01/12/07 9:12am

[M@ster of Dis@ster]

hey MoD
Actually there are newly constructed fences up at certain points along the border and from what they're observing, the method does deter illegal crossings- at those points.

Not saying I didn't believe there were groups building fences. I read that before. And of course it deters illegals at that area, because it is easier for the Mexican to go to the area where there is no fence and cross there! LOL. That seems pretty obvious!

I'm just laughing at the story that implies the "Mexicans" are now making military incursions into the US and that this was a test of the US defences for more miltary-style invasions! The fact the story was basically written by groups so dedicated against illegal immigration their are building their own fences, I think the objectivity of said story might be slightly lacking. Wasn't commenting on the politics of illegal immigration, just that I think this particular story was ludicrious.

This post has been edited by M@ster of Dis@ster: 01/12/07 5:26pm